But the Constitution says there will be a separation of the two. No level of government should open, or close with prayer.
New York is Muslim now?
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But the Constitution says there will be a separation of the two. No level of government should open, or close with prayer.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
I would not care to have the “Church” attached to the Government. Can anyone imagine what the taxes would be? Plus a lot of “mandatory” legislative actions. I like it as is. It’s voluntary…so far
Phazer
.338 Win Mag
Your assessment is doubleplusgood.
The founding fathers were well aware of "governments" and" religions";
they knew the histories of the world and how leaders manipulated religion to control the population.
The first concerning the religious part, is about not letting government pick a religion; kings ask the Irish, Europe, Mideast, far east, Russia, etc.
It allows for personal choice of religion.
Look at the constitution and amendments it was written to keep the people in control of government right down to shooting any that would be king.
Separation of church and state is not written in the constitution, freedom of choice and expression of religion is; even for the elected and their personal use.
they knew the histories of the world and how leaders manipulated religion to control the population.
The first concerning the religious part, is about not letting government pick a religion; kings ask the Irish, Europe, Mideast, far east, Russia, etc.
It allows for personal choice of religion.
Look at the constitution and amendments it was written to keep the people in control of government right down to shooting any that would be king.
Separation of church and state is not written in the constitution, freedom of choice and expression of religion is; even for the elected and their personal use.
yes, but ONLY for their personal use.
They are not allowed to bring their religion into our Government. That would be a violation of the 1st, hence the "separation of church and State".
Willyone
6.5 Creedmoor
Our paper money and coins say "In God We Trust" which pretty much covers most Cristian beliefs or religions in this country. No one has to be or is forced to be a "follower" and few to none in our government are shoving religion on people, or saying we have to be believers, and there is our separation between church and state. That said, there is this... “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
Our paper money and coins do not say "In allah we trust". So fuck allah and those who want to bring/force his "religion" in our country and or government in any form whatsoever. And they can do their goat fornication in their own cunt-ries.
Our paper money and coins do not say "In allah we trust". So fuck allah and those who want to bring/force his "religion" in our country and or government in any form whatsoever. And they can do their goat fornication in their own cunt-ries.
2WheelGnnr
6.5 Creedmoor
Yes but for the record....let this show as where the state of the US is going. I too beleive they want to take over the US and stomp it into the ground...you can say ignore it...whateve...freedom of this and that...but if that the way they want to express their freedom let it show that this is becoming the MAJORITY........vs Minority........I personally would elect any person of the muslim faith know what the koran says about Western civilization how they are the enemy and they can lie and cheat their way into western way of life in order to destroy it!!!!!
Started during the civil war when religious sentiment was on an upswing.
but it wasn't mandated on all money until the McCarthy era when religious nutcases seized on it as a means to separate America from the "godless commies" and try to push their religion into our .gov.
There is none so blind as those who will not see.
Adding this phrase to the money and adding "under god" to our pledge is definitely trying to force people to be a follower and IS shoving religion on the People.
And adding "so help me god" to oaths, both for civil service and in courtrooms (along with placing a hand on the bible), automatically invalidates anything a non-christian would attest to.
I'm not sure you are aware of what "separation" means.
Beerman
.223 Rem
The Establishment Clause deals with forbidding the gov from mandating a national religion. Also, it is fully lawful for gov functions to begin with a prayer. Quick explanation of opening prayers claim I just made.
I am well aware of this. My point is simple, seems like many are upset about this dirty prayer being said. One way around this outrage of many, no prayers of any kind.
Willyone
6.5 Creedmoor
If taking an oath of office, now days I expect one could probably put his/her hand on a Good Housekeeping cook book and get sworn in. Considering how government runs the country (certainly We The People don't have much to do with running the country any longer) I see little to no evidence of religion or God being much if any influence regarding decision making. It seems government reps go out of their way to not include religion or God in their decisions, and there is no law forcing them to do so.
I am aware of what "separation" means.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
This was never a problem, until the commie left made it one and its working probably way beyond their expectations. Just like a shitton of other issues that were not issues.
Robin
Robin
Only about 3 million muslims in the USA today..mostly in the urban cities fighting with BLM and illegals for available jobs and cash.
Many muslims are here for terrorism purposes now, and that is finally a likely situation ...took fucking long enough to get them fired up against Israel, and "the whores" who make them "INCEL".cant get laid in a whorehouse.
The rats in NYC may exterminate many BLM and minorities in the coming months, due to possible disease.
It is all good.
Many muslims are here for terrorism purposes now, and that is finally a likely situation ...took fucking long enough to get them fired up against Israel, and "the whores" who make them "INCEL".cant get laid in a whorehouse.
The rats in NYC may exterminate many BLM and minorities in the coming months, due to possible disease.
It is all good.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
make them all happy and put them on a plane and ship them to Palestine
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
so far i heard 108 arrested ..
I this as well.
I also have a Grunt Style one that says Infidel with two AR-15's with a skull and another that says Infidelicious with a profile picture of a pig colored like an American flag.
I don't think my downstairs neighbors (young husband/wife jihadi's) were happy with my attire. But who the fuck cares? me? absolutely NOT.
GTN
.308 Win
I always wonder what my Amazon drivers think of my Israel flag that I fly under my American flag