New York Jailbreak Law / Bail Reform/ Articles/Stories and Discussions(multi-merged thread)

[Airborneguy]

It used to be that I grabbed my gun and put it on my hip only when I left the house.
Now, it's part of my routine every morning when I get dressed. When I walk down the stairs, even before I've had my coffee, it's on my hip. When I'm kicked back in the recliner after work, sitting at the dinner table, watching TV, or walking out to the mailbox or my car, it's on my hip. It's not at the point where I have the "something doesn't feel right" moment when I don't have it - even at home.

Too many people really don't understand the implications of the whole package of "reforms" (both bail and discovery).

They’ve done a good job of framing the discussion around the bail reform portion only. Most people have no clue what I am talking about when I bring up the other - far worse - aspects of this law.

My department literally put out a video that says, “we can no longer ensure the safety and anonymity of victims and witnesses” and then goes on to explain how the department plans to handle situations where threats and intimidation result from the mandatory sharing of their addresses and all contact info.

This is truly sick shit.

 

[dsdmmat]

Maybe more people will start arming themselves as a result of these “reforms”

 

[Bob]

Maybe more people will start arming themselves as a result of these “reforms”

And the logical extension of that is people realizing how screwed up our gun laws are.
Hopefully.

 

[prambo]

Frankly, if I were in LE and had to now deal with street scum under this ludicrous bullshit, I'd never make another collar.

Let the fucker burn to the ground.

 

[GOPerfect]

I spent the last two days watching training videos on these new laws. It’s bad. Really bad. Way beyond the bail reform portion. The new discovery rules will make the process from arrest to trial nearly impossible and cause total gridlock in police operations as already thin margins of personnel become taxed with constant court appearances.

...and this is all before defense attorneys figure out a myriad of ways to exploit the laws even further.

This is what happens when perp lovers take over the legislature.

Good luck to those here who care. Congrats I guess to those here who agree with them. I’ve never been more appreciative of my ability to carry nationwide than I am now.

I hear all of the seriousness as well as a bit of sarcasm in your post.

I really don't think people have any clue of what is upon us. Scary does not begin to explain how bad this will for ALL!

I could give example after example, I don't need to though, soon, people will hear, see and read all about this evil!

 

[Bob]

I hear all of the seriousness as well as a bit of sarcasm in your post.

I really don't think people have any clue of what is upon us. Scary does not begin to explain how bad this will for ALL!

I could give example after example, I don't need to though, soon, people will hear, see and read all about this evil!

Many of those who have raised concerns have been derided as alarmist and fear-mongering by the thug-huggers and the media.

They will all be complicit in the ensuing fuckery, but they will try to put a positive spin on it. And the sheep will eat it up, while good people will get hurt or worse.

Nothing good will come of this.

 

[prambo]

Many of those who have raised concerns have been derided as alarmist and fear-mongering by the thug-huggers and the media.

They will all be complicit in the ensuing fuckery, but they will try to put a positive spin on it. And the sheep will eat it up, while good people will get hurt or worse.

Nothing good will come of this.

About the only good I can see is serious changes in one's personal ROE. My OODA loop is going to be very simple from now on.

 

[Saltwater60]

We’re screwed. They will use this 100% to disarm us. We will get blamed for the increase in crimes.

 

[Airborneguy]

We’re screwed. They will use this 100% to disarm us. We will get blamed for the increase in crimes.

When gun crimes spike they will definitely look for more gun laws. They’ve successfully de-balled the police (with much help from people on our side even), a major step towards creating the necessary lawlessness which will lead to further government control.

 

[holdover]

There's Something happening here,
What it is ain't exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

 

[kemo357]

As more time goes on, the more I think it’s time to move my family out of this state.

 

[Acer-m14]

There's Something happening here,
What it is ain't exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

coming soon here ..

 

[Grimscale]

Thats because the highest bail will be set for these and like offenses.

And yet the following will have no bail:
Criminal possession of a gun on school grounds/criminal possession of a firearm
Criminal sale of a firearm to a minor
Criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree


It's almost as if they WANT someone to sell a gun to a minor for the purpose of shooting up a school.

 

[holdover]

Don't give em any ideas

 

[Jmac00]

Im not pissed,

Im not even mad.

what I am is, MOTIVATED ~~~~ to leave this insanity.

Maybe by the end of the year, when violent crime goes up by 40%, they may repeal this bullshit, but I doubt it

 

[Jsmegs77]

Don't give em any ideas

Not only have they had this idea for a while (you can't convince me the majority of mass shootings are not paid actors, or at least brainwashed agitators), I'm pretty sure this is the express intent of this measure, with an eye toward a more totalitarian situation. Say, perhaps, martial law....

Oh wait, is that shiny glare from my head the tin foil? Or is it male pattern baldness?

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

So I just heard on the news that this has already started a happening a little early. People are being let out before Jan 1. NY will be in flames by 2020 (sarc). Actually I think it will be business as usual.

 

[Airborneguy]

So I just heard on the news that this has already started a happening a little early. People are being let out before Jan 1. NY will be in flames by 2020 (sarc). Actually I think it will be business as usual.

Down here a lot of the policies were put into effect weeks ago to start working out the kinks.

 

[livingston]

Will this be the motivation to get enough angry folks in this state to clean house in Albany ?

 

[livingston]

Down here a lot of the policies were put into effect weeks ago to start working out the kinks.

According to the local Rochester news everyone had to be released by the 1st ... A lot of man hours to process them out...

 

[livingston]

CNY Sheriff preparing for 'logistical nightmare' of releasing inmates under new bail law

Sheriffs in Central New York are preparing for a “logistical nightmare” as they prepare to release hundreds of inmates who now qualify for release under New York’s new bail reforms laws. Starting January 1, cash bail will be eliminated for 400 misdemeanors and non-violent felonies, including...

cnycentral.com

 

[Toecutter]

Here is a link to bill .Feel free to read it and see for yourself what this law is about.

NY State Senate Bill 2019-S2101A

Enacts the "bail elimination act of 2019"; creates provisions for pretrial detention.

www.nysenate.gov

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

What I really want to see are the stats on how many people in this program leave the country or end up right back in jail in the next quarter. That'll be the real tell.

 

[technicalgadget]

There may be a plus side to this, if we all took up arms enacting an eye for an eye street justice, we can turn the tide and turn New York into a better place. Incarceration just hides criminals from street justice. Keep them out in the open, and let’s take the law into our own hands...

 

[GOPerfect]

What I really want to see are the stats on how many people in this program leave the country or end up right back in jail in the next quarter. That'll be the real tell.

One thing that will definitely occur...

Many will die.

One thing that many do not speak of is the amount of crims, addicts and street scum that are saved each and everyday because of jail.

Many on the street will commit low level crimes during the winter in order to stay warm and get fed. They will die.

The number of junkies that will die instead of coming to jail where they can become clean, at least for a little while.

Whatever, either die today or down the road.

Just pointing out that many of these elected elite that passed this law are not looking at these facts.

 

[Toecutter]

One thing that will definitely occur...

Many will die.

One thing that many do not speak of is the amount of crims, addicts and street scum that are saved each and everyday because of jail.

Many on the street will commit low level crimes during the winter in order to stay warm and get fed. They will die.

The number of junkies that will die instead of coming to jail where they can become clean, at least for a little while.

Whatever, either die today or down the road.

Just pointing out that many of these elected elite that passed this law are not looking at these facts.

This is a huge part of the problem, jails are not homeless shelters or addiction recovery clinics.
The system is overwhelmed as it is and the state cannot gaurentee a speedy trial or a safe humane living environment while awaiting trial.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

My wife sent me this

 

[Mr. terzmo]

second-degree manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, child sex crimes, and making threats of terrorism without ever having to post bail.

3 out of 4 appear violent to Me ?

 

[Bananabandit]

Guess Ill be packing both AR pistols at the same time...24/7

 

[Jmac00]

what we will not see, is the actual statistics of the increase in violent crime over the next 12 months. The governor does NOT want anyone to see that this legislation is a monumental failure