New York Now Requires Banks To Track Your Guns

[GOYABEAN]

 

[Cooolone]

Fuck NY!

Besides, no guns in NY, no ammo in NY... So what are they tracking!?

Now... Are they tracking all "transactions" made by known firearm or ammunition dealers in NY. Or are they tracking NY resident purchases and Selection felt notifying NY of Firearm transactions by account? Hmmmmm?

Anyways, for "me" it doesn't matter! I stopped making ANY 2A purchase in NY that would result in any sales tax on said items going back to the State. My little form of rebellion...

Good Luck Folks, NY sux and it obviously isn't getting any better!

 

[GOPerfect]

Not that any American should need to work through this kind of bullshit....

There are plenty of work arounds for this type of shit.

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

This is great! Now hoolio down on the corner will be tracked

 

[Acer-m14]

DO NOT USE A CREDIT CARD FOR GUNS AND AMMO ..

ANYWHERE!!!

Get prepaid Cards and do not register them .. they still work .. or do register them under some ladies name that lives in Albany ..

i bet the witch and he hit men are thinking now we can tract who is buying in PA or OH .. ect ..

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Hochul signs new gun laws

CC data on purchase types is logged on the bank statement, by your bank if the retailer does not post one. I buy items all across the country on Ebasy, and my inet bank statment record, says what is was. There is a bill in Congress to prohibit the collection of data like Hochul wants. If...

nygunforum.com

 

[That_FNG]

All this does is say that you spent money at a certain type of retailer. Not what you buy or how much. With a store like cabelas all they know is you spent $500 on something. Could be guns or ammo, could be camping equipment or fishing rods. NYS already knows when you buy guns or ammo in this state thanks to the POC background checks and pistol permits. If you buy out of state they have no way of knowing. Or you know just use a gift card or pay cash.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

All this does is say that you spent money at a certain type of retailer. Not what you buy or how much. With a store like cabelas all they know is you spent $500 on something. Could be guns or ammo, could be camping equipment or fishing rods. NYS already knows when you buy guns or ammo in this state thanks to the POC background checks and pistol permits. If you buy out of state they have no way of knowing. Or you know just use a gift card or pay cash.

They can narrow it down much further than just "500 at Cabela's"

And, 100% agree to now use only cash, prepaid gift cards and buy out of state.

 

[Grimscale]

If you buy out of state they have no way of knowing.

If you live in NY and NY has required that credit card companies and banks have to track what NY'ers buy and report that to NY, then they will still know what you bought out of state. That's the whole point to this.
NY is making an end-run around the requirement that a warrant be issued for a person's private information, by requiring the credit card companies and banks to provide that information automatically.
The first time someone is arrested for buying ammo out of state they should sue the life out of the bank while at the same time filing a motion to have the evidence suppressed for violation of civil rights.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

If you live in NY and NY has required that credit card companies and banks have to track what NY'ers buy and report that to NY, then they will still know what you bought out of state. That's the whole point to this.
NY is making an end-run around the requirement that a warrant be issued for a person's private information, by requiring the credit card companies and banks to provide that information automatically.
The first time someone is arrested for buying ammo out of state they should sue the life out of the bank while at the same time filing a motion to have the evidence suppressed for violation of civil rights.

The over reach is steadily increasing because SCOTUS doesn't do anything.

 

[libertysnake]

All this does is say that you spent money at a certain type of retailer. Not what you buy or how much. With a store like cabelas all they know is you spent $500 on something. Could be guns or ammo, could be camping equipment or fishing rods. NYS already knows when you buy guns or ammo in this state thanks to the POC background checks and pistol permits. If you buy out of state they have no way of knowing. Or you know just use a gift card or pay cash.

Not that they should even track that, but what you're saying is accurate. It just stays you bought something from someone who is a firearms dealer or a seller of ammo.

It doesn't give them authority to say you cannot buy it. They might be able at to marry up the social media accounts your submitted and look to see if after a large purchase you post some sort of crazy manifesto, though.

However, the solution to that is simple:

1. Before you submit your social media accounts for the permit, change your username on your accounts to bullshit
2. Delete all context of said accounts via API calls to the service backend.
3. Right after the signed papers go in, just make a new account using the original name. So you can use the name you've always been using.
4. If you want you might be able to backup the posts you made before your scrubbed things.

The permit paperwork just says you need to give them your social media accounts, former and CURRENT. Once your submit your paperwork, it doesn't require you tell them about new accounts you make. It doesn't mention what condition they have to be in.

That way when they look up the accounts they get a wall of nothing. (You're just not a very vocal guy.)

So beat them at their own game.

 

[Bigfoot]

The over reach is steadily increasing because SCOTUS doesn't do anything.

FWIW.

The Supreme Court handed down the DC v. Heller ruling and the NYSRPA v. Bruen ruling.
Those rulings may not be everything a gun owner/2A supporter wants. But both of those are pro-2A decisions.

The Supreme Court's problem is that it has no teeth. Or chooses not to have any teeth.
The court doesn't enforce its decisions, at least when it comes to the 2A.

Hochul and other blue state governors are allowed to blatantly violate US citizens' constitutional rights at will with no consequences. So, in a way, the Supreme Court not enforcing its rulings makes itself irrelevant. I'm pretty sure that's not how it's supposed to work.

The Bruen decision that included "text, history, and tradition" should have been game over for the civil rights-violating Democrat governors. But the tyrannical governors, such as Hochul show utter disrespect to the Supreme Court and our system of government. They give the Supreme Court justices the middle finger and sign even more draconian, unconstitutional gun control laws into law.

I'm rambling at this point, so I'll just say it seems like Hochul and those like her should be charged with civil rights violations. I'm not a constitutional scholar or a legal guru, so I may be incorrect about that. But it seems like common sense to me.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

FWIW.

The Supreme Court handed down the DC v. Heller ruling and the NYSRPA v. Bruen ruling.
Those rulings may not be everything a gun owner/2A supporter wants. But both of those are pro-2A decisions.

The Supreme Court's problem is that it has no teeth. Or chooses not to have any teeth.
The court doesn't enforce its decisions, at least when it comes to the 2A.

Hochul and other blue state governors are allowed to blatantly violate US citizens' constitutional rights at will with no consequences. So, in a way, the Supreme Court not enforcing its rulings makes itself irrelevant. I'm pretty sure that's not how it's supposed to work.

The Bruen decision that included "text, history, and tradition" should have been game over for the civil rights-violating Democrat governors. But the tyrannical governors, such as Hochul show utter disrespect to the Supreme Court and our system of government. They give the Supreme Court justices the middle finger and sign even more draconian, unconstitutional gun control laws into law.

I'm rambling at this point, so I'll just say it seems like Hochul and those like her should be charged with civil rights violations. I'm not a constitutional scholar or a legal guru, so I may be incorrect about that. But it seems like common sense to me.

The supreme Court should be holding hochul in clear contempt of court.

If you're ever not sure, just rephrase the parties ask yourself this question, what would a liberal court do to Trump if he ignored and defied their ruling? They would obviously try to impeach him, hold him in contempt etc. Just uno-reverse that shit right back now to the liberal politicians who ignore gun rights SCOTUS cases. Why are they able to do so without any reprocussions?

 

[Bigfoot]

The supreme Court should be holding hochul in clear contempt of court.

If you're ever not sure, just rephrase the parties ask yourself this question, what would a liberal court do to Trump if he ignored and defied their ruling? They would obviously try to impeach him, hold him in contempt etc. Just uno-reverse that shit right back now to the liberal politicians who ignore gun rights SCOTUS cases. Why are they able to do so without any reprocussions?

What agency would be/is responsible for enforcing the Supreme Court decisions?
The DOJ? Jeez, I should know this kind of stuff by now.

I did a quick search and came up with this below.

Executive Enforcement of Judicial Orders | Federal Judicial Center

Includes landmark legislation, congressional committees, appropriations, administrative agencies, court officers and staff…

www.fjc.gov

"In these cases, the courts may turn to the executive branch for assistance in enforcing their orders."

"Whether the executive is obligated to enforce final court judgments has remained a matter of debate."


Anyway, I think I'm sliding off topic, my apologies.

 

[pshift]

Hmmm, so if your FFL has Gift Certificates then (no?). You're better picking up a green dot prepaid MC at your local supermarket and using it at the FFL.

 

[Zerex]

Bruen, allowed me to carry concealed, after 40 years as a pp holder.

Hochul was so stunned she had to retreat and regroup trying to figure a way to shitcan this trap she was in...............

Adter SNOPES............ will fix things, so that Fed lower cts will have to order AW's legal on appeal.............eventually, when H woman refuses.

I have AW License, PP License, so NYSP know all about them..........same as you.

 

[Old Jalopy]

A judge ruled the social media stuff was invasion of privacy. Can't remember who but pretty sure it was a Buffalo judge. I'd have a look into that.

 

[RedBreast21]

Anyone read the new law? I have not heard any mention of other payment methods like cash transfer apps and paypal.