spat
.700 Nitro Express
I want to see a red state use the licensing schemes as precedent for something the left hates.
"you're going to need 4 references and a background check for that abortion permit".
New York State Defeats Challenge to Gun Licensing Laws
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"you're going to need 4 references and a background check for that abortion permit".
ProgSpear
.338 Win Mag
You’re going to need 4 references and a background check for that riot and looting permit.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
There's a reason this isn't done. Do you remember the Tresmonds? Yeaaah. I think the corruption in NY is so deep there is no winning. Also. What about all the money that people donate to all the gun organizations? What have they really done for you? I mean has there been any really meaningful change because of these groups?
MuttCat
.44 mag
Can't lose what you never had....unless you're a rioter in Chicago.....
They have ruled in multiple courts that the function of the licensing is to regulate guns for safety and that centers of higher population require and are afforded further restrictions than lower population areas.
ProgSpear
.338 Win Mag
Good. I live in a decidedly low population area, so I should have no restrictions at all. Sullivan and un-SAFE specifically should not apply to me. Come to think of it, neither should the NFA or GCA.
No no no no... You still have restrictions, those in higher populations areas just have more. Are you crazy?! This is about public safety!!
Ain't worth spending the sweat to even think about this... Nothing new to see here!
Judicial Immunity for denying Rights!
Good Standing and Just Cause are too vague for plaintiffs, but perfectly ok for administrative denial of an application...
Just wow! But yeah, that's the 2nd (Circuit) for ya'
And don't even think about the SCOTUS because if NY got an inkling of losing they would just promise to do better like NYC and it all goes away without precedent being set!
Real cute!
So just do whatever the fuck you want, and don't worry about the big bad wolf that never comes, unless if course your running a Meth Lab or DWI with a few pounds of heroin in the trunk! Lmao!
Anyways...
Judicial Immunity for denying Rights!
Good Standing and Just Cause are too vague for plaintiffs, but perfectly ok for administrative denial of an application...
Just wow! But yeah, that's the 2nd (Circuit) for ya'
And don't even think about the SCOTUS because if NY got an inkling of losing they would just promise to do better like NYC and it all goes away without precedent being set!
Real cute!
So just do whatever the fuck you want, and don't worry about the big bad wolf that never comes, unless if course your running a Meth Lab or DWI with a few pounds of heroin in the trunk! Lmao!
Anyways...
ProgSpear
.338 Win Mag
the public safety is 100% preserved as long as they stay in public places and leave me alone In my private place.
Nope. You can't be trusted and don't even think about suggesting someone could just take a long gun and hurt people or they'll require a permit to own one of those as well.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Send him to the camps.
ProgSpear
.338 Win Mag
You just promoted yourself to the public that is not welcome in my private space.
I'm right where I want to be.You just promoted yourself to the public that is not welcome in my private space.
I suggest you read/re-read Heller vs DC.
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA ET AL. v. HELLER, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) | FindLaw
Case opinion for US Supreme Court DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA ET AL. v. HELLER. Read the Court's full decision on FindLaw.
caselaw.findlaw.com
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
On a related note, in passing I ran across this:
reason.com
Chicago Residents Wait Months for Permission To Defend Themselves
Despite an alarming increase in crime, Illinois is illegally delaying gun licenses.
reason.com
Thats why I said gun owners dont work together well.
This could be possible if we has thousands of good people......but thats hard to find.
There are some good lawyers who could do amazing things with a good case and unlimited funds.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
(Cough) GOTTLIEB (cough) GURA (cough)
On a related note, in passing I ran across this:
Chicago Residents Wait Months for Permission To Defend Themselves
Despite an alarming increase in crime, Illinois is illegally delaying gun licenses.
Yes they are still playing games!
Illinois Is 50th State To Legalize Carrying Concealed Weapons
Lawmakers voted to override a veto by Democratic Gov. Pat Quinn, who is facing a tough re-election fight next year. The Illinois State Police expects to receive 300,000 applications for conceal-carry permits in the first year.
www.npr.org
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
We have the thousands of people. All the members of the various gun groups. The groups that people pay money to be a part of. Why aren't they doing amazing things?
Some gun groups are doing good things ive heard. I see the SAF winning cases in smaller courts. GOA has been taking cases to court.
Their problem is they are small and must work smart. They cannot afford taking big cases through to the SCOTUS. And when they do, the SCOTUS wont hear it.
The NRA is just a money making busuness that knows if they win big cases, people will stop giving money.
They use about 9% of their donations on court cases and fighting for gun rights. And they pick easy cases that effect few people.
The NRA has spent over 200 million dollars on lobbying congress over the last 20 years. They have spent almost 50 million on political ads in the same time and 4-5 million on politicians directly. Then, they pay their top employees millions. Theres not much left for court cases after that.
All that money going to politicians and we still got the SafeAct and many other gun laws nationwide.
The NRA is a money making business with no intrest in fighting gun laws. That would lose them money.
I know alot of 1 isdue NRA members. If the NRA were to fight and destroy "assault weapons bans", the guys who pay their dues because they dont want an assault weapons ban would stop paying. Nope, they cannot win any big cases, they would lose money.
gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
NRA does not spend their money/resources effectively.
I was out with some guys last night. We talked a little bit of politics. One of them had recently had lunch with one of our state senators. He said that if everyone with a pistol permit had voted R last time around Cuomo would have lost the election. This isn’t speculation. It is a fact. Unfortunately gun owners would rather call him and bitch and complain rather than get off their asses and vote. Sad.
gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
That's the same crap they've been peddling for years. This coming from a guy whose party rat-fucked Rob Astorino in a sleezy backroom deal Republican Senators made with Cuomo.
Registered Republicans make up ~22-23% of voters, Democrats ~51-55%. We are well past the point their opinion matters on anything. They are not politically relevant in NY any more and it is their own damn fault.
Registered Republicans make up ~22-23% of voters, Democrats ~51-55%. We are well past the point their opinion matters on anything. They are not politically relevant in NY any more and it is their own damn fault.
You misread. How about registered Democrats with pistol permits? This is right from a senators mouth. They are the real numbers.
gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
Here's the reality. A big reason Democrats don't take gun owners/gun groups seriously is because of this partisan garbage. They believe that there is no reason to support gun owners because no matter what they do 2A groups will tell them to vote Republican for reasons totally unrelated to 2A. They come right out and say that and have for years.
Only about half of eligible people vote and of those that do most vote the party line. With a better than 2-1 enrollment advantage the NY GOP is done as a political force in the state.
Only about half of eligible people vote and of those that do most vote the party line. With a better than 2-1 enrollment advantage the NY GOP is done as a political force in the state.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
NRA is the poster child for this. The pivot to culture war crap accelerated it.
gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
NRA alone has to have tens of thousands of Democrat members in the state. If they were told who to vote for, especially in the primaries, much of this antigun business would stop.
My uncle Dan is 61 years old and was born and raised in NYS.
He has owned and used guns sinse he was a child.
He has hunted for decades, he has dozens of guns, hes had his PP for decades and carries a G19 every day.
He was very upset about the SafeAct and chose to register his 5 "assault weapons" after the SafeAct.
He has a "Repeal The SafeAct" sign in his yard and is outspoken about gun laws in the state.
However, he has voted Democrat his whole life.
Why you ask??
Because he is a Teamster member and just shrugs his shoulders and says, "thats just who we support"......meaning the democrats.
He voted for Shumer and Cuomo without question.
Then, he rattles on for hours about the SafeAct and 10 round limits and the lack of "stand your ground" laws and PP restrictions and 50 ounce limit and on and on and on.......shaking his fist.
When you explain that he is voting against his wants and rights, he just scoffs.
Heres the kicker.......he retired from truck driving 4 years agobut STILL votes democrat because.......its all hes ever done.
He has owned and used guns sinse he was a child.
He has hunted for decades, he has dozens of guns, hes had his PP for decades and carries a G19 every day.
He was very upset about the SafeAct and chose to register his 5 "assault weapons" after the SafeAct.
He has a "Repeal The SafeAct" sign in his yard and is outspoken about gun laws in the state.
However, he has voted Democrat his whole life.
Why you ask??
Because he is a Teamster member and just shrugs his shoulders and says, "thats just who we support"......meaning the democrats.
He voted for Shumer and Cuomo without question.
Then, he rattles on for hours about the SafeAct and 10 round limits and the lack of "stand your ground" laws and PP restrictions and 50 ounce limit and on and on and on.......shaking his fist.
When you explain that he is voting against his wants and rights, he just scoffs.
Heres the kicker.......he retired from truck driving 4 years agobut STILL votes democrat because.......its all hes ever done.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Does he know that Cuomo is directly responsible for Safe?
Lots of people in the same situation. They vote R or D because that is their party. They don’t research candidates positions or past voting records of the candidates. Just R or D.