Non NY'ers attending handgun events in NY

[Stretz Tactical Inc.]

This keeps coming up in Connecticut forums and groups. The only exemption for NON NY residents to possess a handgun in NY to attend an event is out of state law enforcement, folks attending NRA sanctioned matches with documentation from the match director and training approved or under the auspices of the NRA. Here is a link to the exemption section of criminal possession of a weapon so you can read it for yourself: CPW exemptions If in doubt, you can call the NYS Pistol Permit section in Albany. I have personally seen (on duty as a police officer) people who legally possessed a handgun in another state, arrested for criminal possession of a weapon here in NY, for merely possessing the handgun in NY. I have also seen a guy arrested for possession when he borrowed a friends handgun. They then arrested the friend for loaning his buddy the handgun. There are multiple cases of people getting arrested at JFK and LaGuardia airports, when their connecting flights get cancelled and they have to get a hotel over night. When the re-declare the firearm, they get arrested. NY is not very gun friendly to residents and even less gun friendly to non residents. Certain shotguns, semi automatic rifles and even some "others" are not legal in NY. Troy is a good example. The TROY "OTHER" did not get a variance to make it legal in NY - that came from them, to me, when I tried to buy an OTHER from them. Some companies have certain SKU number "Others" that are NY legal. I have a ZEV other, that I believe falls in this category. NY is different from California, which will let you bring non CA complaint firearms into the state as long as they leave with you. If you have friends looking to train in NY, make sure they are aware of this. I know some instructors that take the chance & come to NY that shouldn't and some students who do the same. The laws are bullshit and in my opinion unconstitutional. But is coming to NY for some event worth the risk of becoming a felon, loosing your guns and the cost of the legal process?

 

[togmaster]

It's legal for out of state civilians to attend certain sanctioned events. They do it all the time.

13. Possession of pistols and revolvers by a person who is a nonresident of this state while attending or traveling to or from, an organized competitive pistol match or league competition under auspices of, or approved by, the National Rifle Association and in which he is a competitor, within forty-eight hours of such event or by a person who is a non-resident of the state while attending or traveling to or from an organized match sanctioned by the International Handgun Metallic Silhouette Association and in which he is a competitor, within forty-eight hours of such event, provided that he has not been previously convicted of a felony or a crime which, if committed in New York, would constitute a felony, and further provided that the pistols or revolvers are transported unloaded in a locked opaque container together with a copy of the match program, match schedule or match registration card. Such documentation shall constitute prima facie evidence of exemption, providing that such person also has in his possession a pistol license or firearms registration card issued in accordance with the laws of his place of residence. For purposes of this subdivision, a person licensed in a jurisdiction which does not authorize such license by a person who has been previously convicted of a felony shall be presumed to have no prior conviction. The superintendent of state police shall annually review the laws of jurisdictions within the United States and Canada with respect to the applicable requirements for licensing or registration of firearms and shall publish a list of those jurisdictions which prohibit possession of a firearm by a person previously convicted of a felony or crimes which if committed in New York state would constitute a felony.

 

[Stretz Tactical Inc.]

It's legal for out of state civilians to attend certain sanctioned events. They do it all the time.

13. Possession of pistols and revolvers by a person who is a nonresident of this state while attending or traveling to or from, an organized competitive pistol match or league competition under auspices of, or approved by, the National Rifle Association and in which he is a competitor, within forty-eight hours of such event or by a person who is a non-resident of the state while attending or traveling to or from an organized match sanctioned by the International Handgun Metallic Silhouette Association and in which he is a competitor, within forty-eight hours of such event, provided that he has not been previously convicted of a felony or a crime which, if committed in New York, would constitute a felony, and further provided that the pistols or revolvers are transported unloaded in a locked opaque container together with a copy of the match program, match schedule or match registration card. Such documentation shall constitute prima facie evidence of exemption, providing that such person also has in his possession a pistol license or firearms registration card issued in accordance with the laws of his place of residence. For purposes of this subdivision, a person licensed in a jurisdiction which does not authorize such license by a person who has been previously convicted of a felony shall be presumed to have no prior conviction. The superintendent of state police shall annually review the laws of jurisdictions within the United States and Canada with respect to the applicable requirements for licensing or registration of firearms and shall publish a list of those jurisdictions which prohibit possession of a firearm by a person previously convicted of a felony or crimes which if committed in New York state would constitute a felony.

LOL, I SAID THAT MYSELF IN MY SECOND SENTENCE. But you cant just go to the range here or take a training class that is not under the auspices or approved by the NRA

 

[dsdmmat]

Moving this to politics and law.

 

[Stretz Tactical Inc.]

Moving this to politics and law.

I honestly think it should stay in the training section. I get people trying to sign up for classes all the time from out of state and it is good to get the word out to the training community - which is why I posted it there.

 

[Truebeliever]

People come for training to New York all the time but they should take certain precautions. Do not fly into NYC or Newark. Just avoid the hassle.
Remember that you might fall under the training exemption but you might not be believed. Many criminals claim exceptions under such rules so when the real thing comes they aren’t believed . Have proof on you and even then your proof might not be enough to be believed.

 

[Stretz Tactical Inc.]

People come for training to New York all the time but they should take certain precautions. Do not fly into NYC or Newark. Just avoid the hassle.
Remember that you might fall under the training exemption but you might not be believed. Many criminals claim exceptions under such rules so when the real thing comes they aren’t believed . Have proof on you and even then your proof might not be enough to be believed.

You are missing the point - unless that training is approved by, or under the auspices of the NRA (the instructor having an NRA instructor cert alone is not enough) and you bring a handgun into Ny for a training class, you are breaking the law and if caught will more than likely be arrested.

 

[zorro]

I had an interesting scenario…….


I lived in NY and got my pistol permit in NY my main residence - Westchester

I also built a cabin in the Adirondacks - still NY

however I then sold my main residence in NY and moved to CT

WestChester refused to honor my permit as my main residence was no longer in NY

However, Oneida county were happy to honor my permit as I had property still in N Y……….even though not my main residence ………so I transferred my permit from Westchester to Oneida county

So I kept my NY permit and have my CT permit, which is full carry

 

[Acer-m14]

being a NY res .. even if it was a NRA event class / shoot .. 3 gun .. .. i'm to old to hold and shoot a pistol at it with out a PP .. per NY

 

[S&W Fan]

I had an interesting scenario…….


I lived in NY and got my pistol permit in NY my main residence - Westchester

I also built a cabin in the Adirondacks - still NY

however I then sold my main residence in NY and moved to CT

WestChester refused to honor my permit as my main residence was no longer in NY

However, Oneida county were happy to honor my permit as I had property still in N Y……….even though not my main residence ………so I transferred my permit from Westchester to Oneida county

So I kept my NY permit and have my CT permit, which is full carry

Yeah the ridiculous differences from county to county in this shithole state is mind boggling.

 

[Truebeliever]

You are missing the point - unless that training is approved by, or under the auspices of the NRA (the instructor having an NRA instructor cert alone is not enough) and you bring a handgun into Ny for a training class, you are breaking the law and if caught will more than likely be arrested.

Yes, I know. And there other exceptions to it like college shooting team etc.
People coming in for NRA sponsored events are also arrested if they can’t PROVE they are going to such an event.