shootemup
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Well, with Jan approaching and andy's still in charge(gag)..........what other rifles that use .223 to be looking at. I can't throw them worth a shit !
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Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
bolt actions?
shootemup
.45 acp
Any specific make/model? I have a Mossberg MVP Predator for a coyote gun, it's okay. Fussy on ammo and bolt slops all over the place. I was thinking about a Henry breakaction in .223. Looking to the herd for options/reviews.
Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
Savage Axis has a big following. Ive never used one personally.
Rem 700
Ruger American
All affordable
Rem 700
Ruger American
All affordable
S&W Fan
.450/400 Nitro Ex
+1 for CZ rifles. I own two and they are very good rifles for the price point.
Exonautic
.308 Win
agreed on the CZ. I'm dying for one. when the funds allow it and the long list of other things i want is filled.
shootemup
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CZ looks nice but they ain't given 'em away. The $40.00 mag is 
S&W Fan
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The savage Axis guns are definitely cheaper , but you get what you pay for. Not saying they are bad rifles but they are Savage’s base model.CZ looks nice but they ain't given 'em away. The $40.00 mag is
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Get a Ruger American Ranch that takes AR magazines. It's a 5.56 bolt action, with a 16inch barrel that takes AR mags. It's very accurate and has a lot of potential. But what do I know?
96coal449
.308 Win
Tikka also makes excellent bolt actions. Actions smooth as glass right out of the box.
The Browning BLR is offered in the .223 chambering. There are numerous naturally compliant 223 semi autos available still available too y'know.
shootemup
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I didn't know it takes ar mags +1 !!
shootemup
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JIC mein guvnr pulls a semi auto ban/register all semi auto.........looking for a different platform option.
shootemup
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ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Here you go bud. I'd say it's worth serious consideration. Ruger® Ruger American Rifle® Ranch Bolt-Action Rifle Model 26965
I LOVE mine.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
@Runner99 has a sweet deal F/S - Ruger American Ranch 300 BO
thegatman
.308 Win
MVP works for me.
That_FNG
.308 Win
I have one in 450 and love it. I like it so much I’m thinking I might pick up another one in .223 or something
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
You should look into the Savage or Tikka.
This is why:
It would be a shame not to have at least an 8 twist to be able to shoot the best bullets the 223 has to offer.
The Savage scout just started to ship with 7 twist so look for one that is not 9. The tikka comes in 8 twist with a nice magazine and action.
The savage is built in the legendary savage 10 action that is a lot stronger and the mvp just by the shank. The savage is after all time tested
and battle proven. The scout and a few other models come with bottom plate for the the AICS 10rd style magazine that is the best magazine system ever made.
Savage SCOUT 223REM 16.5
So even if it is in the same twist as the MVP, the savage comes on top on every single aspect in terms of reliability, strenght and specially accuracy.
But also keep in mind Tikka has a 1:8 twist with a detachable magazine that is well known for its accuracy and refined barrels and actions.
IMO those are the best value rifles you can get in bolt action. Even an Axis XP is a better action than many other popular rifles. It is simple but
because of its dimensions is very strong and it takes the same bolts and barrels as the 10 & 11 model actions. And savage barrels are among the
best. after all they are the pioneers who have changed the entire industry of the budget rifle.
Aftermarket is unparallel only matched by Remington 700 and followed by mauser style but way far behind those two actions that are the most popular in the world.
T3 is a great rifle as I said.
z
The CZ is a very nice rifle but it is a bit more tricky in terms of long term support.
If Vergara had a rifle in 223 this would be the best action for the money but they do not have this caliber yet.
So savage is a no brainer IMO.
This is why:
It would be a shame not to have at least an 8 twist to be able to shoot the best bullets the 223 has to offer.
The Savage scout just started to ship with 7 twist so look for one that is not 9. The tikka comes in 8 twist with a nice magazine and action.
The savage is built in the legendary savage 10 action that is a lot stronger and the mvp just by the shank. The savage is after all time tested
and battle proven. The scout and a few other models come with bottom plate for the the AICS 10rd style magazine that is the best magazine system ever made.
Savage SCOUT 223REM 16.5
So even if it is in the same twist as the MVP, the savage comes on top on every single aspect in terms of reliability, strenght and specially accuracy.
But also keep in mind Tikka has a 1:8 twist with a detachable magazine that is well known for its accuracy and refined barrels and actions.
IMO those are the best value rifles you can get in bolt action. Even an Axis XP is a better action than many other popular rifles. It is simple but
because of its dimensions is very strong and it takes the same bolts and barrels as the 10 & 11 model actions. And savage barrels are among the
best. after all they are the pioneers who have changed the entire industry of the budget rifle.
Aftermarket is unparallel only matched by Remington 700 and followed by mauser style but way far behind those two actions that are the most popular in the world.
T3 is a great rifle as I said.
z
The CZ is a very nice rifle but it is a bit more tricky in terms of long term support.
If Vergara had a rifle in 223 this would be the best action for the money but they do not have this caliber yet.
So savage is a no brainer IMO.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
The Ruger American Ranch is also 1:8 barrel and it's 5.56 so it will also do .223You should look into the Savage or Tikka.
This is why:
It would be a shame not to have at least an 8 twist to be able to shoot the best bullets the 223 has to offer.
The Savage scout just started to ship with 7 twist so look for one that is not 9. The tikka comes in 8 twist with a nice magazine and action.
The savage is built in the legendary savage 10 action that is a lot stronger and the mvp just by the shank. The savage is after all time tested
and battle proven. The scout and a few other models come with bottom plate for the the AICS 10rd style magazine that is the best magazine system ever made.
Savage SCOUT 223REM 16.5
So even if it is in the same twist as the MVP, the savage comes on top on every single aspect in terms of reliability, strenght and specially accuracy.
But also keep in mind Tikka has a 1:8 twist with a detachable magazine that is well known for its accuracy and refined barrels and actions.
IMO those are the best value rifles you can get in bolt action. Even an Axis XP is a better action than many other popular rifles. It is simple but
because of its dimensions is very strong and it takes the same bolts and barrels as the 10 & 11 model actions. And savage barrels are among the
best. after all they are the pioneers who have changed the entire industry of the budget rifle.
Aftermarket is unparallel only matched by Remington 700 and followed by mauser style but way far behind those two actions that are the most popular in the world.
T3 is a great rifle as I said.
z
The CZ is a very nice rifle but it is a bit more tricky in terms of long term support.
If Vergara had a rifle in 223 this would be the best action for the money but they do not have this caliber yet.
So savage is a no brainer IMO.
shootemup
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C'mon guys !! I'm gonna have to put on a bib if you keep making me drool over these !! Just a thought from left field........what about a Marlin 336 .30-30?
HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE !! I'm thankful to have friends here to share knowledge with and know that come what may, we are all in this together. And if andy can read this, choke on a drumstick !! LOL
HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE !! I'm thankful to have friends here to share knowledge with and know that come what may, we are all in this together. And if andy can read this, choke on a drumstick !! LOL
shootemup
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ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Right now I'm running this. Bushnell AR Optics Riflescope - 1-4x24mm AR91424 w/ Free S&H
I wanted a 1-4x scope for closer in. So far I'm happy. It's BDC is meant for the 55gr bullets so I want to see how it is with heavier bullets.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
hi,
Nobody is making a "223 remington only" chamber anymore.
Some 223 reamers are better chambers for the 5.56 than the 5.56 SAAMI chamber itself.
When I say better I am talking about accuracy by design based on the reamer blueprint.
There are at least a dozen variants of "223" reamers manufactures might be using all compatible with the "5.56"
It doesn't mean the 5.56 cannot be accurate but that is not the main goal for that blueprint/reamer.
Even for the 5.56 there are several reamers makers with slight variations.
The ruger is a better barrel and rifle than the MVP. At least it has a 1" tenon like Browning and Winchester.
(Winchester is now FN/Browning anyway).
Again, the savage 10/11 action is hard to beat with their history, barrels and track record.
What is amazing to me is that one could buy a LRP rifle and out of the box go compete given
a good scope. There was one model savage 10 the predator (not the XP) that has the same action as the LRP
all in a tactical/predator pacakge adn with the factory accustock but those were all sold right
away for around $650-700 that was amazing becuase overall value they leave the R700 SPS in the dust
in terms of quality out of the box.
IMO Bergara is another best value but the problem is they do not have the 223 at the moment
but their actions incorporate features only found in $3000 rifles and all in a Remington 700 blueprint
the way the actual remington should be built.
This is why...
- Side bolt release
- Integrated recoil lug
- Floating bolt head
- Integrated ball bearing claw type extractor At a perfect 85 degree angle (beats even the sako and badger style extractors)
- Tinmey trigger out of the box
- cocking indicator
- bergara barrel (Shilen match barrel making technology - partnered shilen )
- Actually very acceptable factory stocks like the accustock in savage but in the HMR model even better fully bedded.
- fit and finish of expensive rifles but on a reasonable budget.
...I guess we will have to wait for the 223.
nowadays there are many good rifles but there is still a huge benefits of beefed up, legendary, battle proven actions that
have unparalleled aftermarket and options. When all the fashions pass and all the dust settles there will be still those
rifles that were sold over generations and became the most popular actions in the world very good reasons.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I don't for a minute question anything you are saying. I'm just an advocate of the Ruger because it has most of what I am looking for in a bolt action replacement for an AR. Namely it has a good 16" cold hammer forged 1:8 barrel, good lock up system, takes AR mags, has a decent and growing after market and is rugged and good looking. I'm not suggesting it's "better" than your suggestions.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Hammer forged barrels is a method to making barrels less costly, not better barrels. they can be great barrels but the fact that there are hammer forged
doesn't say anything about their consistency. After all many of the barrels that win competitions are either button rifled or cut like krieger.
In terms of dimensions and strength I think I am giving accurate information after having blueprinted and built many rifles including profiling and cutting the barrels and chambers with conventional and custom dimensions, tenons + chasis + stocks.
The bottom plate for the AR15 for the reminton 700 is not even discussed but it works really well.
The thing is the AR15 magazine for the AR is both a blessing and a curse because it doesn't allow the rifle to use the best bullets
one can produce due to the limitation of the COAL. Once one gets into PRI, DPMS/VLD, and other specialized magazines one might be
better off getting an AI system that is the best magazine system in the market and in order to shoot the best bullets one can find or reload.
The ruger is not bad. At least they are pushing innovation. And they are getting there slowly yet steadily. They are improving, barrels
are getting better although the consistency in QA is not 100% there yet. They all make mistakes so I would put ruger as a very decent option though.
The thing is with the budget rifles everyone is trying to figure out how to make super consistent budget rifles that can meet the price points.
Savage has been doing this for decades. All the others are doing now is to follow all the directives savage established a long time ago.
Remington has one action that is a tank alguth they sat on it for too long. That is why companies like Bergara come and make their action
even better, the way Remington should be doing it. I also realize manufacturing rifles in NY state is a bad idea when the state wants to put
everyone out of business. Well not just firearms perhaps but any SMB and other sectors face high taxes, regulations complex labor laws.
IMO this is always a world of tradeoffs of some sort. The reason I mentioned those actions and rifles above is because they are often forgotten in many
threads and there are many benefits not even considered or discussed. That's all.
Personally I would not buy a 223 with anything less than an 8 twist these days that was one of my original points. Once we finally get surplus ammo
from new generation one is going to need this, even if lead free ammo laws do not catch up with us before. This aside from all the other ammo
that is currently on the shelves that needs an 8 twist mininum.