Not sure what Trump is thinking. This is going to backfire on him.

[Snappo]

Not sure exactly how many Trans men and women are in the military (estimated vary from 1K to 6K); but this will get near ZERO support from enlisted and officers and already some Senators are distancing themselves and saying Trump is wrong. ACLU and Lambda Legal are already preparing briefs. No way this stands up in court; and I assume ACLU and Lambda go to the 9th Circuit since it's so liberal.

The weird thing - instead of admitting he is a homophobic puppet of Pence he is blaming it on money. Why doesn't he just say Pence wants it because Jesus told him Trans is a sin? There are only between 1,300 and 6,600 Trans people in the US Military and only an estimated 100 people would even want SRS while in the service. As it stands, all medical for all military accounts for 0.0014% of the military budget and the cost of having Trans in the military is estimated by Rand Research to be $8.4 million per year. A fraction of what the US Military spends on Viagra for erectile dysfunction among active military. DoD spends $42M per year on Viagra.


Is It Legal? If Trump Bans Transgender Military Members, It Might Not Stand up in Court
Lambda Legal, ACLU and others will take Trump to court if he follows through with transgender military ban

McCain criticizes 'unclear' Trump policy on transgender military banCongress, McCain criticize new transgender military policy - CNNPolitics.com

US military blows millions a year on Viagra for its troops
http://nypost.com/2017/07/26/us-military-blows-millions-a-year-on-viagra-for-its-troops/

 

[Doc8404]

Since you retired there's one less.

 

[togmaster]

Since you retired there's one less.

 

[timboy]

There are plenty of mentally ill people in the military,this is a good way to get rid of a bunch!!

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

aaand watched

 

[dubleuhb]

Deciding you need a lopadickoffame or addadicktome is not the normal and shows a very serious mental defect.
We don't need this kind of distraction in our military, to many things that really matter going on to have to worry about someone so mentally defective they want to mutilate themselves.

 

[Snappo]

There are plenty of mentally ill people in the military,this is a good way to get rid of a bunch!!

In the early 1930's, Hitler put Heinrich Himmler in charge of Concentration Camps. Himmler had Theodor Eicke join the camps together to start the death camps and Himmler worked with others to design the final solution (most notably Hermann Goering and SS General Reinhard Heydrich). Eicke of course is known for running Dauchau before his big promotion. First they took all the LGBT people and banned them from military or government service, banned them owning firearms or businesses; and eventually rounded up all the LGBT along with the Jews, Handicapped, and Gypsies. By the mid 1940's, Germany had exterminated 50,000 LGBT for the crime of being gay. You can see all about it at the Holocaust Museum in Washington.

I doubt highly we will ever witness a Holocaust in USA like happened in early USA history, Germany, Poland, Russia, North Korea, Sudan, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Rwanda, etc. But I do think that banning Transgender people from military service is not the end of this. I believe Trump will next ban Transgender from government employment, will ban filing civil suits against businesses that refuse service to Transgender people, and I think he might ban Trans people owning firearms, applying for FFL's, and owning carry permits. First they came for the Trans.......


First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[Cureforcancer]

Payback for 8 years of Obama's cuckery is long overdue. Trump driving the left and the rinos batshit crazy with everything he does and says is just priceless.

 

[Snappo]

Deciding you need a lopadickoffame or addadicktome is not the normal and shows a very serious mental defect.
We don't need this kind of distraction in our military, to many things that really matter going on to have to worry about someone so mentally defective they want to mutilate themselves.

I want to congratulate you on being that uninformed and uneducated to the subject matter.
1) There are upwards of 6,000 Trans people in the US military today, and only an estimated 130 want SRS (per Rand Research reports to Congress last week). the estimated total yearly cost for Trans Services is $8.4 million per year. Military spending on Viagra is $42 million per year for limp dicks that can't get it up.
2) DSM-V removed Transgender as a mental disorder. IDC-10 added it as a physical disorder and called it Gender Dysphoria.
3) You have to be a high school dropout to be that fucking stupid.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

2) DSM-V removed Transgender as a mental disorder. IDC-10 added it as a physical disorder and called it Gender Dysphoria.

How is it a physical disorder and not a mental disorder?

 

[4excal]

Since you retired there's one less.

po!

 

[Snappo]

Payback for 8 years of Obama's cuckery is long overdue. Trump driving the left and the rinos batshit crazy with everything he does and says is just priceless.

I didn't have too much of an issue with our inerudite, bumbling, and somewhat ignorant Herr Drumpf because I figured he was an order of magnitude better than Crooked Hitlery Clintard and her hit squad. I think anyone but a libtard can see he was better than her - fiscally conservative and reasonably considerate of human rights. But now Drumpf is going full Fourth Reich with drooling religious zealot Dipshit Pence pulling his strings and whispering in his ear like Heinrich Himmler. I doubt highly that the Circuit Courts or SCOTUS will allow Drumpf to do what he is threatening to do in his infantile, mysogynic and somewhat solecistic twitter ramblings; but I feel he is truly letting America down. He was supposed to be for ALL Americans, including the small LGBT community.

 

[Snappo]

How is it a physical disorder and not a mental disorder?

Scientists are finding it has to do with issues of when the fetus swaps to being controlled only by the mother's XX Chromosomes and becoming influenced by the father's XY Chromosomes. Apparently the amount of weeks into the pregnancy that this happens causes the issue.

Gender dysphoria - NHS Choices
"Gender dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, for which treatment is sometimes appropriate. It's not a mental illness. Some people with gender dysphoria have a strong and persistent desire to live according to their gender identity, rather than their biological sex."


Causes of Gender Dysphoria

Psychiatric and biological causes
It was traditionally thought to be a psychiatric condition meaning a mental ailment. Now there is evidence that the disease may not have origins in the brain alone.

Studies suggest that gender dysphoria may have biological causes associated with the development of gender identity before birth.

More research is needed before the causes of gender dysphoria can be fully understood.

Genetic causes of biological sex
Research suggests that development that determines biological sex happens in the mother’s womb.

Anatomical sex is determined by chromosomes that contain the genes and DNA.

Each individual has two sex chromosomes. One of the chromosomes is from the father and the other from the mother.

A normal man has an X and a Y sex chromosome and a normal woman has two X chromosomes.

It is seen that during early pregnancy, all unborn babies are female because only the female sex chromosome (or the X chromosome) that is inherited from the mother being the active one.

After the eighth week of pregnancy, the chromosome from the father (an X for a female and a Y for the male), gains in activity.

If the father’s contribution is the X chromosome the baby continues to develop as female with a surge of female hormones.

This helps develop her female sex organs, reproductive organs and features. This makes her sex and gender female.

If the inherited chromosome from the father is a Y there is a surge of testosterone and other male hormones that lead to development of male characteristics, such as testes.

This makes the baby’s sex and gender male. (1)

Causes of gender differences
There are several different potential causes of gender differences, these include hormonal changes, exposure to estrogenic drugs and so forth. (1-4)

Hormonal causes
Hormones that trigger the development of sex and gender in the womb may not function adequately.

For example, anatomical sex from the genitals may be male, while the gender identity that comes from the brain could be female.

This may result from the excess female hormones from the mother’s system or by the foetus’s insensitivity to the hormones.

The latter condition is called androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS).

Exposure to progesterone or other estrogenic drugs
Although there is no research that shows that males or females exposed to progesterone in the womb or other estrogenic drugs, such as diethylstilbestrol (DES) may have a raised risk of gender dysphoria; there may be an association in some atypical aspects of gender role behavior.

Rare conditions that may lead to gender dysphoria
There may be rare conditions like congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH), and intersex conditions (also known as hermaphroditism) which may also result in gender dysphoria.

In CAH a female foetus has adrenal glands (small caps of glands over the kidneys) that produce high level of male hormones. This enlarges the female genitals and the female baby may be confused with a male at birth.

Intersex conditions mean babies may be born with the genitalia of both sexes. In these cases the child is allowed to grow and choose his or her own before any surgery is carried out to confirm it.

Other causes of gender dysphoria

• There may be chromosomal abnormalities that may lead to gender dysphoria.
• Sometimes defects in normal human bonding and child rearing may be contributing factor to gender identity disorders.

 

[Cureforcancer]

I didn't have too much of an issue with our inerudite, bumbling, and somewhat ignorant Herr Drumpf because I figured he was an order of magnitude better than Crooked Hitlery Clintard and her hit squad. I think anyone but a libtard can see he was better than her - fiscally conservative and reasonably considerate of human rights. But now Drumpf is going full Fourth Reich with drooling religious zealot Dipshit Pence pulling his strings and whispering in his ear like Heinrich Himmler. I doubt highly that the Circuit Courts or SCOTUS will allow Drumpf to do what he is threatening to do in his infantile, mysogynic and somewhat solecistic twitter ramblings; but I feel he is truly letting America down. He was supposed to be for ALL Americans, including the small LGBT community.

Heil Trump 2020!

 

[Robin]

The Hitler bomb, yeah thats the ticket, throw in a Himmler for good measure.
Robin

 

[Snappo]

Heil Trump 2020!

He won't make to to 2020. I figure he gets impeached or resigns somewhere around 2018-2019 timeframe. I also feel Pence is unelectable; so my prediction is Rubio-Cruz 2020 unless Trump places Cruz on SCOTUS to replace Bader. With Pelosi, Chuckles, and Warren running the DNC show; Rubio-Cruz wins in a landslide and grabbing 350 electoral votes. But Trump - he's a drooling fucktard that talks like someone with an 8th grade education in his tweets and public speeches and no way half of America goes for that again in 2020. First time was a political statement by America saying they want the swamp drained. Trump isn't draining anything; so he's failing hard on his promise there.

 

[dubleuhb]

I want to congratulate you on being that uninformed and uneducated to the subject matter.
1) There are upwards of 6,000 Trans people in the US military today, and only an estimated 130 want SRS (per Rand Research reports to Congress last week). the estimated total yearly cost for Trans Services is $8.4 million per year. Military spending on Viagra is $42 million per year for limp dicks that can't get it up.
2) DSM-V removed Transgender as a mental disorder. IDC-10 added it as a physical disorder and called it Gender Dysphoria.
3) You have to be a high school dropout to be that fucking stupid.

LMAO, You only made this thread to try and justify the demons in your head, to funny.

I have an opinion, you attempt to insult me, boy I never seen that coming.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Scientists are finding it has to do with issues of when the fetus swaps to being controlled only by the mother's XX Chromosomes and becoming influenced by the father's XY Chromosomes. Apparently the amount of weeks into the pregnancy that this happens causes the issue.

Gender dysphoria - NHS Choices
"Gender dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, for which treatment is sometimes appropriate. It's not a mental illness. Some people with gender dysphoria have a strong and persistent desire to live according to their gender identity, rather than their biological sex."


Causes of Gender Dysphoria

Psychiatric and biological causes
It was traditionally thought to be a psychiatric condition meaning a mental ailment. Now there is evidence that the disease may not have origins in the brain alone.

Studies suggest that gender dysphoria may have biological causes associated with the development of gender identity before birth.

More research is needed before the causes of gender dysphoria can be fully understood.

Genetic causes of biological sex
Research suggests that development that determines biological sex happens in the mother’s womb.

Anatomical sex is determined by chromosomes that contain the genes and DNA.

Each individual has two sex chromosomes. One of the chromosomes is from the father and the other from the mother.

A normal man has an X and a Y sex chromosome and a normal woman has two X chromosomes.

It is seen that during early pregnancy, all unborn babies are female because only the female sex chromosome (or the X chromosome) that is inherited from the mother being the active one.

After the eighth week of pregnancy, the chromosome from the father (an X for a female and a Y for the male), gains in activity.

If the father’s contribution is the X chromosome the baby continues to develop as female with a surge of female hormones.

This helps develop her female sex organs, reproductive organs and features. This makes her sex and gender female.

If the inherited chromosome from the father is a Y there is a surge of testosterone and other male hormones that lead to development of male characteristics, such as testes.

This makes the baby’s sex and gender male. (1)

Causes of gender differences
There are several different potential causes of gender differences, these include hormonal changes, exposure to estrogenic drugs and so forth. (1-4)

Hormonal causes
Hormones that trigger the development of sex and gender in the womb may not function adequately.

For example, anatomical sex from the genitals may be male, while the gender identity that comes from the brain could be female.

This may result from the excess female hormones from the mother’s system or by the foetus’s insensitivity to the hormones.

The latter condition is called androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS).

Exposure to progesterone or other estrogenic drugs
Although there is no research that shows that males or females exposed to progesterone in the womb or other estrogenic drugs, such as diethylstilbestrol (DES) may have a raised risk of gender dysphoria; there may be an association in some atypical aspects of gender role behavior.

Rare conditions that may lead to gender dysphoria
There may be rare conditions like congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH), and intersex conditions (also known as hermaphroditism) which may also result in gender dysphoria.

In CAH a female foetus has adrenal glands (small caps of glands over the kidneys) that produce high level of male hormones. This enlarges the female genitals and the female baby may be confused with a male at birth.

Intersex conditions mean babies may be born with the genitalia of both sexes. In these cases the child is allowed to grow and choose his or her own before any surgery is carried out to confirm it.

Other causes of gender dysphoria

• There may be chromosomal abnormalities that may lead to gender dysphoria.
• Sometimes defects in normal human bonding and child rearing may be contributing factor to gender identity disorders.

Genetic causes seems to be the only legit thing here. That and "hermaphroditism". Anything else and it's just a mental issue. What you posted says as much. I still don't understand how X+X != XX and X+Y != XY.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You are confusing Gay people with Transgender people Snappo. That's a big difference. There are none if any serving in active duty.

 

[Uzi]

 

[Snappo]

Genetic causes seems to be the only legit thing here. That and "hermaphroditism". Anything else and it's just a mental issue. What you posted says as much. I still don't understand how X+X != XX and X+Y != XY.

I'm not a genetic scientist or biological physiologist. I just know what I read. They took it out of DSM-V which is where mental disorders go, and put it in IDC-10 which is where medical conditions go. I honestly have no formal education beyond under-grad biology classes that give me the skills needed to challenge what these genetic scientists are finding nowadays. I'm still waiting for them to clone dinosaurs like Jurassic Park.

 

[Snappo]

I am so *NOT* clicking that from my work computer. I only learned what "trigger warning" meant like 1-2 weeks ago. Not that I don't trust you, but I don't trust you. Last thing I need to explain to my IT staff is why cookies from PornTube or XHamster or something are on their laptop.......

 

[carpediem]

 

[Snappo]

Hang tough, CD. The homophobes (is there a word like transophobe?) will be here once they get home from their manual labor jobs at 6 PM. This thread should be hilarious by 9 PM or so. I'm almost inclined to take the homophobes off my ignore list just to enjoy this thread more. Wonder how hard it is to turn off the ignore feature and turn it back on tomorrow. I am so glad Herr Drumpf does this stupid-ass shit so I have something to laugh about. What a fuckwit that guy is.

 

[holdover]

""2) DSM-V removed Transgender as a mental disorder. IDC-10 added it as a physical disorder and called it Gender Dysphoria""

So they changed the status and now its Ok? LOL, what a load of shit. How about they change pedophile to ""age dysphoria"" ? That's OK too? How come your not complaining about more pedophiles in the military?

First they came for the Pedophiles... give me a break

 

[holdover]

You shouldn't put the ignore button on at all you if want to discuss it,after all you started the thread.

 

[Doc8404]

How is it a physical disorder and not a mental disorder?

Unfortunately he is correct. The leftist drove it down peoples throats.

 

[holdover]

ewwwwwwww, bad choice of words

 

[Snappo]

""2) DSM-V removed Transgender as a mental disorder. IDC-10 added it as a physical disorder and called it Gender Dysphoria""

So they changed the status and now its Ok? LOL, what a load of shit. How about they change pedophile to ""age dysphoria"" ? That's OK too? How come your not complaining about more pedophiles in the military?

First they came for the Pedophiles... give me a break

So now science shouldn't study genetics and make advancements because it interferes with transphobia or a fucking retarded invisible sky-daddy that iron age goat herders invented to explain thunder? Gratz - you are the first drooling fucking idiot to compare transgender to pedophilia. At least today, anyway.........

 

[holdover]

well It should be compared , they're both mentally ill