Like they do every time a gun case finally makes it to SCOTUS. Then the battle begins all over and drags our another 3 years.
NY AG suing mean arms over mag lock
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spat
.700 Nitro Express
In light of this serious deficiency in metrology
I propose we institute a new unit of measure for stupidity.
The new SI unit of measur for Stupidity will henceforth be known as the Cortez, the official abbreviation will be the AOC.
Now, since the AOC is such a large unit (like the lightyear) everyday stupidity will be measured in in the micro, or even Pico Cortez.
ManrisFrack
6.5 Creedmoor
Evidently that piece of shit that shot up the Buffalo Tops used an easy-out/SpeedOut to take his MA Lock off.
There are removal instructions on the back of the package according to the NY AG statement (Attorney General James Sues Gun Accessory Manufacturer for Aiding Buffalo Shooter)
Those instructions, combined with the Buffalo shooting, will make it really easy for an ignorant jury to hand Tyrannical Tish the win. Shit, it'll probably be a summary judgement.
Exactly right! Weaponized justice system. Look at all the Bullshit they came after Trump with?
Cavalry
.308 Win
It sure does, but in my world that does not matter.
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subsonic
.44 mag
So they are suing a Georgia company for selling a magazine lock part that the manufacturer never installed or used to built a firearm?
What's the penal code section that bans the possession or sale of magazine locks? I mean, I could not only use it as a paper-weight, I could use it to lock a magazine on a bolt-action rifle. I could use it to lock a nonfunctional dummy magazine on a prop gun. It's a piece of metal!
Here's the complaint; they filed it in Manhattan state court:
Mean Arms should countersue her personally in Georgia state court for violating their civil rights.
What's the penal code section that bans the possession or sale of magazine locks? I mean, I could not only use it as a paper-weight, I could use it to lock a magazine on a bolt-action rifle. I could use it to lock a nonfunctional dummy magazine on a prop gun. It's a piece of metal!
Here's the complaint; they filed it in Manhattan state court:
Mean Arms should countersue her personally in Georgia state court for violating their civil rights.
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dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
You're over thinking it. They are clueless idiots with the technical side of firearms. The only reason MA is being sued is because of the racial aspect of the shooting. James is trying to score political points for persecuting a company who sold an evil white supremacist an item that didn't prevent him from carrying out a racist crime.
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MEAN ARMS KNOWS THAT INSTALLATION OF AN MA LOCK DOES
NOT REMOVE A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE’S ABILITY TO ACCEPT A
DETACHABLE MAGAZINE
There it is, READ IT..............a FINAL INTERPRETATION AND decision by NYS, on what the SAFE ACT law means...................... AN ABILITY..AS DESIGNED..TO ACCPET A DETACHABLE MAG.........no judge has to do anything but agree..........no mental input necessary.
Mean Arms will/may be forced to divulge its direct purchasers.
IT IS DONE.
MEAN ARMS MAG LOCKS ARE ILLEGAL, by themselves.................ALLOWs MAGS TO BE CHANGED WITH HAND TOOLS, AND illegal assault weapons are created by their use...........NOW.......... NOT TOMORROW............NOW!!
She will get a rubber stamp court decision from a NYS local Supreme Ct CCP judge.
Like ghost guns...............that case now allows immediate confiscation of all mean arms and bullet button equipped guns as unregistered AW's........... NOW, TODAY, NOW.
AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAG... not even gluing likely changes that interpretation.
You can glue 20 mags to only accept 10 rounds...by welding or gluing.. BUT NOT RECEIVERS.
Now if the butt is changed to a Thordsen Stock and muzzle device cap silver soldered on....you can eliminate the mag lock anyway.
Even gluing in the mag, will likely be deemed not legal, as possibly defeatable. But in lieu of converting to a Thordsen, JB Weld may be a permanent solution..maybe.
She will issue a decree to the NYSP to just go get them all or inspect for them
WHY
They fucked up in writing the Safe Act, never dreaming of mag locks or spur grips or thordsen stock equipped guns, being sold by FFL's all over the state, for the last ten years, or built from receivers legally.
People are using the new semi license to purchase receivers and equipping them with mean arms mag locks or spur grips, and totally defeating the effectiveness of the safe act making aunt jemima into a fool.
Be sure, that spur grips are next............SHE DECIDES legality of a part, NOT YOU.
They never really defined the law or acceptable mods in the safe act,..............now a court will fuck us all and decide all Mag Locked, and spur grip ARs and glued in mags, are AW's...possibly even thordsen stocked guns without a muzzle device..........but I do not see how that will fly.
Only a decision by the SCOTUS on the Illinois AW case may stop NYS short........that is why she is going after the mean arms and all sales records..............NOW..
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
NYS has never approved anytning as far as I know. They've left everything intentionally vague on purpose so they can move the goalposts as needed.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
In order for that to stick, they're going to have to fully define "detachable" for purpose of the law.
No. the law says clearly " THE ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAG." --2013.
They do not have to define detachable OR ABILITY, in a case by case basis, as to what may be acceptable.
ability--------------
Thordsen stock, no muzzle device..........we hope is still legal.
Full Featured have to be neutered...mag locks illegal NOW, even if total destruction of receiver is necessary with aerospace glue---$500/oz glued in mags, are assault weapons TODAY.
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Thing aunt jemima is not laughing at us? MAGA forever!!
Only SCOTUS can save us now.
They do not have to define detachable OR ABILITY, in a case by case basis, as to what may be acceptable.
ability--------------
Thordsen stock, no muzzle device..........we hope is still legal.
Full Featured have to be neutered...mag locks illegal NOW, even if total destruction of receiver is necessary with aerospace glue---$500/oz glued in mags, are assault weapons TODAY.
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Thing aunt jemima is not laughing at us? MAGA forever!!
Only SCOTUS can save us now.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
LOL, not at all, Mayflower and Allied Van lines, and U-Haul can save your ass without any problems whatsoeverNo. the law says clearly " THE ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAG." --2013.
They do not have to define detachable OR ABILITY, in a case by case basis, as to what may be acceptable.
ability--------------
Thordsen stock, no muzzle device..........we hope is still legal.
Full Featured have to be neutered...mag locks illegal NOW, even if total destruction of receiver is necessary with aerospace glue---$500/oz glued in mags, are assault weapons TODAY.
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Thing aunt jemima is not laughing at us? MAGA forever!!
Only SCOTUS can save us now.
subsonic
.44 mag
She's suing the part manufacturer for "aiding and abetting" and blaming them for the Tops shooting but hasn't sued or charged the New York dealer who sold gun with the part installed.
Many such guns have been continuously on New York shelves available for purchase and no one has been charged or sued.
That tells you all you need to know about how serious this is.
Many such guns have been continuously on New York shelves available for purchase and no one has been charged or sued.
That tells you all you need to know about how serious this is.
The proof is already in the bogus lawsuit...............it announces that the law is clear.. mag locks are illegal even if they work.......... to stop their sale in NYS and to seek reparations.
There will be no trial to demonstrate just what the aw says is legal or not. ..................as the law says..."as designed to accept a detachable mag"...that means all ARs were intended by definiton to be illegal unless they were registered by the safe act deadline.
The spur grip and thordsen stock issues are not cast in stone as legal either........... the Thorsden looks like a thumbhole stock and Why the F is the thumphole stock illegal anyway? It does not have a pistol grip..........so you can predict what thordens future it in NYS, too. Only a rifle stock like a rem 700 might pass muster.
The Feds now want uppers registered with the lower....think she will not come after unregistered loose AR uppers that outnumber lowers by 10x........that do not need to be registered, as ghost guns themselves by her decree?
Feds say uppers are now firearms sometimes............ NYS did not give a shit when they passed the Safe Act and do not care today.....it is a war on all guns and ammo...safe ammo and firearm enforcement, retroactively by cunts.
Only SCOTUS can save us............by declaring all NYS aw laws unconstitutional......
There will be no trial to demonstrate just what the aw says is legal or not. ..................as the law says..."as designed to accept a detachable mag"...that means all ARs were intended by definiton to be illegal unless they were registered by the safe act deadline.
The spur grip and thordsen stock issues are not cast in stone as legal either........... the Thorsden looks like a thumbhole stock and Why the F is the thumphole stock illegal anyway? It does not have a pistol grip..........so you can predict what thordens future it in NYS, too. Only a rifle stock like a rem 700 might pass muster.
The Feds now want uppers registered with the lower....think she will not come after unregistered loose AR uppers that outnumber lowers by 10x........that do not need to be registered, as ghost guns themselves by her decree?
Feds say uppers are now firearms sometimes............ NYS did not give a shit when they passed the Safe Act and do not care today.....it is a war on all guns and ammo...safe ammo and firearm enforcement, retroactively by cunts.
Only SCOTUS can save us............by declaring all NYS aw laws unconstitutional......
subsonic
.44 mag
It's hard to keep up with the latest bullshit and the way it's going I really don't want to, but it looks like that was just talk (so far).
Does the final rule reclassify AR-15 uppers, and are they now required to be marked with a serial number? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
No. The AR-15 platform has been specifically addressed in the final rule and the lower receiver will remain the regulated receiver requiring the appropriate markings. Pursuant to the final rule, 27 CFR 478.12(f)(1)(i) “[t]he receiver is the lower part of the weapon that provides housing for the...
If I remember they were kicking around a draft that would have required serializing uppers transferred separately, but not as part of a complete firearm. But that never made it through.
That_FNG
.308 Win
Exactly. This will force nys to define what is and is not a detachable magazine and a fixed magazine is. Nys hates giving exact legal definitions of things as they prefer to keep things vague so as to intimidate and scare citizens into not doing things that are legal. Look at the recent law banning other firearms. That is an admission that before that they were perfectly legal. Now I fully expect a Manhattan court to side with James. Wonder why they didn’t pick a court in wny (where judge Suddaby or Sinatra happen to preside). However when this gets appealed to a federal circuit ir perhaps a Supreme Court I expect nys will be in for a rude awakening.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Right, but what constitutes a "detachable" magazine. They're gonna need to define it. The magazine in an SKS detachable. It takes some receiver disassembly, but it can be detached. Terms in laws must be defined, or else they're considered vague.No. the law says clearly " THE ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAG." --2013.
They do not have to define detachable OR ABILITY, in a case by case basis, as to what may be acceptable.
ability--------------
Thordsen stock, no muzzle device..........we hope is still legal.
Full Featured have to be neutered...mag locks illegal NOW, even if total destruction of receiver is necessary with aerospace glue---$500/oz glued in mags, are assault weapons TODAY.
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Thing aunt jemima is not laughing at us? MAGA forever!!
Only SCOTUS can save us now.
The law is clear--this issue about detachable or not.............. is moot.
The SKS has a stock like a Rem 700.
No long trial, to define what a mag is or what is detachable, or what "designed to accept a detachable mag" means..................is going to happen.............the law written in 2013 is about to be enforced by aunt jemima......done deal...no trial to define the law's meaning or intent..the law is clear to a Judge.................
The law says you now have a mag locked full featured unregistered AW, a felony, and you go to jail if you use a mag lock of any sort....that the law was never enforced until today, or any lockparts interpreted to be legal means nothing................the law would have to be re-written to allow mag locks, and they are NOT going to do that.
No one has enough $$ to try and change the law as written, or to get the mag locks declared legal...the lawsuit shitcans that entire idea..........and now interpreted by letitia.
SCOTUS..............SCOTUS has to shitcan the ban on assault weapons.
The AR was designed to have a detachable mag ,and to my knowledge there is no secret mag out there that meets your definition, or any plausible reasoning that would say the gun was not designed to have a detachable mag....designed in 1952.
Don't go to jail.......I do not even believe that a grace period will be given, to give up mag lock equipped lowers.... it cannot be done...........install a spur grip immediately, or a thorsden, and remove the muzzle device, or cut off the threads.
Might as well have a thordsen stock, bare barrel and a detachable mag...in that case you can keep the mag lock on.
That ship sailed in 2014...it was just never enforced...the gray area is now clear...cops can arrest you, for using mag lock as an unregistered AW and confiscate guns on dealers racks, so equipped.
She means to arrest a bunch of people................believe it. You voted for MAGA.
The SKS has a stock like a Rem 700.
No long trial, to define what a mag is or what is detachable, or what "designed to accept a detachable mag" means..................is going to happen.............the law written in 2013 is about to be enforced by aunt jemima......done deal...no trial to define the law's meaning or intent..the law is clear to a Judge.................
The law says you now have a mag locked full featured unregistered AW, a felony, and you go to jail if you use a mag lock of any sort....that the law was never enforced until today, or any lockparts interpreted to be legal means nothing................the law would have to be re-written to allow mag locks, and they are NOT going to do that.
No one has enough $$ to try and change the law as written, or to get the mag locks declared legal...the lawsuit shitcans that entire idea..........and now interpreted by letitia.
SCOTUS..............SCOTUS has to shitcan the ban on assault weapons.
The AR was designed to have a detachable mag ,and to my knowledge there is no secret mag out there that meets your definition, or any plausible reasoning that would say the gun was not designed to have a detachable mag....designed in 1952.
Don't go to jail.......I do not even believe that a grace period will be given, to give up mag lock equipped lowers.... it cannot be done...........install a spur grip immediately, or a thorsden, and remove the muzzle device, or cut off the threads.
Might as well have a thordsen stock, bare barrel and a detachable mag...in that case you can keep the mag lock on.
That ship sailed in 2014...it was just never enforced...the gray area is now clear...cops can arrest you, for using mag lock as an unregistered AW and confiscate guns on dealers racks, so equipped.
She means to arrest a bunch of people................believe it. You voted for MAGA.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
You're reading way too deep into this. The only thing Tish is concerned about is political power. She wants to be governor, and this lawsuit will score her political points because of the racial implications involved. If this shooting was a black dude killing white people screaming "Die Crackers!", there would be no lawsuit pending. None.
The unSAFE Act is poorly worded and silly. But terms in laws need to be defined. They're going to need to clearly define "detachable " for this lawsuit to succeed. And if they don't it will be appealed up and up until SCOTUS has to decide whether or not to grant cert..
Good for her.
I feel for all of you still stuck behind enemy lines in that shithole of a state. All I can say (again), is GTFO ASAP!
Life sure is better in the Carolinas. Much better overall, and especially when it comes to this crap.
Life sure is better in the Carolinas. Much better overall, and especially when it comes to this crap.
By your logic we might as well call them machineguns because with some time, tools, and efforts they could be modified into a variety of Class III firearm.
As I stated previously, I would demand to see the defeated magazine lock to prove that it was actually one from Mean Arms, and not some knock-off or other design... would not surprise me in the least to learn some jackwagon from the State just picked the name from a list believing they were all the same.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
i don't have a AR .. but friends have a few ..
but if you opened the upper ..
i would think sliding a credit card down the side of the mag well would pop the detent holding the mag in .
the detent has to move to get the mag inserted ...
mca90guitar
.357 mag
i don't have a AR .. but friends have a few ..
but if you opened the upper ..
i would think sliding a credit card down the side of the mag well would pop the detent holding the mag in .
the detent has to move to get the mag inserted ...
subsonic
.44 mag
Mean Arms is in Georgia, you know.
And some of us have families we aren’t going to abandon and other legitimate reasons not to retreat.
As shown in CA, "Mag Locks" that allow insertion of a magazine if the magwell is empty is a no-go. That falls directly under the part of the law that says "the ability to accept a detachable mag". Though, once that mag is in there it does not come out again without tools. It's not really "detachable" in the true sense of the word, but the judge in CA bent that part to support the State's unconstitutional restrictions.
Even here in NY, if the law reads "the ability to accept a detachable mag" then you cannot have it allow insertion of a mag if the magwell is empty.
But, if I recall correctly, there is NO part of the law that states magazines must be permanently (ie glued, welded, brazed, etc) into the lower receiver.
so unless the low IQ beluga wanna-be decides to start suing every hardware store in the State this is likely going to get thrown out once it reaches a court that NY hasn't bought and paid for. And, if it reaches SCOTUS, there's a good chance the bullshit law will be completely thrown out since it directly affects a person's ability to effectively defend themselves.
but a certain person's paranoid panic attack is not helping matters.
Even here in NY, if the law reads "the ability to accept a detachable mag" then you cannot have it allow insertion of a mag if the magwell is empty.
But, if I recall correctly, there is NO part of the law that states magazines must be permanently (ie glued, welded, brazed, etc) into the lower receiver.
so unless the low IQ beluga wanna-be decides to start suing every hardware store in the State this is likely going to get thrown out once it reaches a court that NY hasn't bought and paid for. And, if it reaches SCOTUS, there's a good chance the bullshit law will be completely thrown out since it directly affects a person's ability to effectively defend themselves.
but a certain person's paranoid panic attack is not helping matters.
IraIII
.40 S&W
Mean arms advertises its MA lock as being removeable in hindsight probably not a good position, quote is from mean arms website faqs
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- If I install the MA Lock Device on my 5.56/.223 MIL Spec rifle to make it permanent, can I remove the MA Lock at some point in the future should I move to a different state?
Yes, our MA Lock device will be removable WITH disassembly of the action which is a required action to maintain legality in some states. This process will in no way harm your rifle.”
Uzi
.308 Win
No matter how much I try, every time I press the locks on AR magazines, the magazine won't come out. I can also try yanking the magazine, still nothing, it won't come out. I also don't have the ability to insert magazines because I can't detach any.
Maybe If the firearm was modified in some way though I probably could, just like I could probably get it to shoot full auto if it were modified or altered. Hell, grenade launchers sound fun with some mods and some tools. Hey that reminds me though, has anyone gotten their thordson stock approval letter by NYS yet? I'm still waiting on mine.
Maybe If the firearm was modified in some way though I probably could, just like I could probably get it to shoot full auto if it were modified or altered. Hell, grenade launchers sound fun with some mods and some tools. Hey that reminds me though, has anyone gotten their thordson stock approval letter by NYS yet? I'm still waiting on mine.