It would never go to the courts. The DA would dismiss the charges once you showed you legally obtained it from an FFL.
NY compliant "Other Firearm"
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To be more exact, they will have additional charges, and force you to plea down so it doesn't see a courtroom, allowing us to play this game all over again.
It would never go to DA as a stand alone charge. The worst possible scenario is confiscation.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
How so? Please be specific.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Well, your odds of being killed buying toilet paper are higher than your odds of being arrested much less prosecuted over this. So there's that.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You believe that? A smell of marijuana is all that’s needed to be arrested for an AR pistol. A call from an ex. You get the picture. The odds didn’t mean shit to everyone who got bagged at a car stop. Just recently a PA man probably thought the odds were in his favor when he decided to drive over here with a pistol in his trunk.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Do you remember the Tresmond MR2 charge?
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Supposedly if the guy you're fighting with for the last roll of TP has a cough you could die.
It's all about the odds.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
@spat
You are correct. It is all about the odds. Some of us carry in post offices. Some in schools when picking up our kids. Some when just swinging by New Jersey. Some of us go target shooting with fully featured AR’s on public land.
Chances are that nothing will come of it. But the chance is still there and we are aware of it. It’s all about awareness and what you are willing to chance.
I bring up what could happen with this other. Not because I hate them or am afraid of my own shadow. Hell, I may have one myself tucked in an attic somewhere knowing the risk. I bring it up as a heads up for someone asking about it because perhaps they may think that they are 100 percent good to go without any chance of anything ever happening. That is clearly not the case.
It can be charged as an AW pistol with features under Penal Law 265 and you would have to pay money to defend yourself. Possibly lose your job. Maybe the house. There is a reason that you don’t see many of them in ranges and while hunting. It’s due to the possibility. Many that do have them have them tucked away. They aren’t as common as regular AR’s were before 2013 for a reason. If they were 100 percent legal without any chance of ever being misconstrued as an AR pistol under Penal Law 265, these would be more common than the already super common Shockwave and no one would ever fix their magazines with ARs ever. What would be the need to? All Thordsens would go in the trash.
My posts are to bring awareness to those that don’t know of the risks and never considered that it is the exact same thing as an AW Pistol under Penal Law 265. The exact same thing. Those that think that because an FFL sells them something then it must be 100 percent legal are totally wrong.
There’s a reason why only some FFL’s sell them and not all sell them while they do sell AR’s as featureless or fixed. And there is a reason why some FFL’s stopped selling them when they once previously did. Who knows why they stopped. A shop that I frequent in Dutchess county now has them with a law enforcement only blue tag.
There is a reason why all FFL’s aren’t on the same page. The statement made by someone here who thinks that he knows everything that if it’s sold by an FFL it is good to go is clearly false and could get someone in trouble that wasn’t looking to go grey areas. Someone who isn’t sure needs to know that so they can understand the risks and decide to proceed forward knowing those risks or not proceed forward.
You are correct. It is all about the odds. Some of us carry in post offices. Some in schools when picking up our kids. Some when just swinging by New Jersey. Some of us go target shooting with fully featured AR’s on public land.
Chances are that nothing will come of it. But the chance is still there and we are aware of it. It’s all about awareness and what you are willing to chance.
I bring up what could happen with this other. Not because I hate them or am afraid of my own shadow. Hell, I may have one myself tucked in an attic somewhere knowing the risk. I bring it up as a heads up for someone asking about it because perhaps they may think that they are 100 percent good to go without any chance of anything ever happening. That is clearly not the case.
It can be charged as an AW pistol with features under Penal Law 265 and you would have to pay money to defend yourself. Possibly lose your job. Maybe the house. There is a reason that you don’t see many of them in ranges and while hunting. It’s due to the possibility. Many that do have them have them tucked away. They aren’t as common as regular AR’s were before 2013 for a reason. If they were 100 percent legal without any chance of ever being misconstrued as an AR pistol under Penal Law 265, these would be more common than the already super common Shockwave and no one would ever fix their magazines with ARs ever. What would be the need to? All Thordsens would go in the trash.
My posts are to bring awareness to those that don’t know of the risks and never considered that it is the exact same thing as an AW Pistol under Penal Law 265. The exact same thing. Those that think that because an FFL sells them something then it must be 100 percent legal are totally wrong.
There’s a reason why only some FFL’s sell them and not all sell them while they do sell AR’s as featureless or fixed. And there is a reason why some FFL’s stopped selling them when they once previously did. Who knows why they stopped. A shop that I frequent in Dutchess county now has them with a law enforcement only blue tag.
There is a reason why all FFL’s aren’t on the same page. The statement made by someone here who thinks that he knows everything that if it’s sold by an FFL it is good to go is clearly false and could get someone in trouble that wasn’t looking to go grey areas. Someone who isn’t sure needs to know that so they can understand the risks and decide to proceed forward knowing those risks or not proceed forward.
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Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
hahaha
some here know the story of my brother with the 10/22 with a thumb hole stock .. and after a few yrs of BS and all guns taken away he got it back with the same fuckin stock on it and the other guns .,. but he lost his state job in the ordeal and his home ..
spat
.700 Nitro Express
You have way too much faith in the government to do the right thing.
The rest of us have opened a history book.
you should be banned just for mentioning Dark Stain they started a shitstorm a few years ago claiming their AR was the only legal AR in NY. They claimed to have a letter on the way from F troop of the NYSP. It turned out to be a hoax. They have since been a Four letter word on a a couple of gun forums.
tootoothree
.177 BB
I should be banned for not knowing everything that you guys do? Ouch. And here I thought I was posting for information......
Owning a shockwave or tac-13 is legal. Everyone can agree that open carry of long guns is legal. I've read the laws a few times and still unsure on this. Can you have a "firearm" loaded? In the vehicle, unlocked, next to ammo? What about registered assault weapons? Can you carry them and what's the laws about transport with ammo?
I’m sure there’s more to the story than a good guy buying a firearm “as is” from a reputable FFL.
You need to get used to the sarcasm around here, it comes with the territory. Don't have thick skin, there's always the Democratic underground forums for a "safe place" (joking)
To the point, an other is only technically legal here because of the way the laws are written . If you want one, buy one, but me personally, wouldn't be parading it around in public. As mentioned, it's the same as an ar pistol with a forgrip and is quite possible to get arrested for it right or wrong. The choice is yours.
Relax it was obviously sarcasm. That company’s actions left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth when they pulled their BS a few years ago. Some of us have long memories.
you will get the same reaction for mentioning a lot of other companies CTD, Dicks and a few others.
tootoothree
.177 BB
Understood. Is the dark stain in reference to dark storm industries, or dark rain? Would be interested in the history of what happened.
mca90guitar
.357 mag
Vapor
.308 Win
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Scoot McGoot
.40 S&W
Things like the mossberg shockwave are legal but I'd keep my receipt handy to show police. Not all police know the laws thoroughly. You might win in a court of law but all of the hassle is a bit of a punishment in itself.
Case in point...Just last year, a buddy of mine who is a cop told me that the mossberg shckwave was illegal and he would definitely arrest someone if they had one.
Case in point...Just last year, a buddy of mine who is a cop told me that the mossberg shckwave was illegal and he would definitely arrest someone if they had one.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
If you want to go through the trouble of an AR type other, build one. It'll be at least half the price. Just make sure the stripped lower is transferred to you as an other. You'll get the same results.
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
Not to be a dick but what if you put a fixed mag? Would law enforcement still bother you for having it?
Law enforcement could bother you for having a muzzle loader if you come across the "right" officer.
Someone wants to make a name for themselves, or an officer who doesnt believes "civilians" should own guns (yes there are plenty of police who believe that) or an officer who's just having a bad day..
Hit you with a charge and "let the courts figure it out"
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I thought of many ways around this. Even fixing the mag with a BS one that is easily reversible. Here’s the thing. If an anti-gun LEO was to charge you for it as is with no fixed mag, he would charge you under Penal law 265. (Criminal Possession of Weapon) Why? He would say it is an Assault weapon. A pistol with a shroud, second handgrip, ect. You would have to sort it out in court.
If you fix the mag and have no pistol permit, he can charge you as having a pistol with no license . (Criminal Possession of Weapon)
If you do have a pistol permit and fix the mag, he can charge you with failure to register a pistol which is a Misdemeanor under Penal law 400.
So it isn’t worth fixing the mag. You might as well fix a mag on a rifle or a registered pistol.
My 2 cents. If you really want one. Buy it. Just limit taking it out. Don’t go hunting with it. I recently shot one. The length felt perfect for me. When things get better, I may buy one but I’ll probably only shoot it in PA to be safe. After that, it’ll be put away. It won’t be a home defense firearm where if anything happened, it could end up in a courtroom.
PutnamCharlie
6.5 Creedmoor
Not looking to argue I know everyone has their opinion on this But a pistol has to have a barrel length of 12" or shorter. These are 12.5 so technically they cant call it a pistol.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
15" max for pistol. Encores and Contenders are usually 15"
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The is no pistol barrel length requirements in the NY Penal Law. You can build an AR pistol with a 20 inch barrel. I believe that the Econ law does however for the purpose of hunting. I’m not too sure on that in regards to the Econ Law.
The AR firearms that I’ve seen at my gun store the county over have 11.5 inch barrels.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Source?
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
Yeah I cant find it, just went looking. You're probably right. There was some squabbling between ATF and TC over this a while back though.