camper4lyfe
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One step closer to making it impossible to get a CCW, by taking away NRA certified trainers.
www.nysenate.gov
NY State Senate Bill S9601
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JunkBoxFull
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Oh well, its not like the NRA has done anything to help us anyway. Kinda glad they won`t be involved. That way we`ll have less to worry about with them throwing our rights away. The good thing is, Wayne LopEar`s won`t be getting any money out of it.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
Your vision is clouded. Yeah, the NRA's legal team sucks, and WLP is a piece of shit, but the serfs of NY NEED the NRA instructors if this training requirement sticks for ccw.
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JunkBoxFull
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Oh noooo, my vision is far from clouded. The NRA continues to let this leadership of theirs ruin the whole organization. Who`s fault is that.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
This isn't about the organization. Again, your vision is clouded. This is about the boots on the ground regular Joe that went and got certified to work at a range or teach a class to help those that need training. Yes, the NRA organization sucks, but that's an issue with the leadership, not the guys at the range.
JunkBoxFull
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Now you`re just trying to thread the needle here. I never said anything about the "guys at the range".
"Yes, the NRA organization sucks, but that's an issue with the leadership" THAT WAS MY WHOLE POINT!
Until the organization removes their "LEADERSHIP" problems, they will be useless to ALL of the paying members!
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
Dude. Get the car key out of your ear and listen for a second. This bill is removing the NRA instructors from the approval list for the CCIA approved courses. THAT is an issue and is THE issue at hand. The state is trying to limit who can teach the now REQUIRED course thereby limiting the number of courses available and further limiting the 2A in NY. Your argument about the leadership is irrelevant to this bill. What's that saying, you're pissing up a rope?
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
JunkBoxFull
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"Dude". I get it. There are other ways to get around it. The NRA is still not your 2A friend.
S&W Fan
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Has nothing to do with this bill
S&W Fan
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Has Nothing to do with this bill
S&W Fan
.450/400 Nitro Ex
JunkBoxFull
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You`re right, it does not. All i`m saying is i`m glad the NRA is getting nothing out of it.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
Again, irrelevant. The state is actively trying to reduce the viable options.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
I'll say it one more time: This. Isn't. About. The. NRA. This is the state screwing us over.
JunkBoxFull
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"viable options"
There you go, now you`re starting to understand. There ARE other "options".
NY commies are trying to get the NRA out of NYS. And they have succeeded.
JunkBoxFull
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I am fully aware of your point, and i agree with you. But you still refuse to see my point. This bill is one more step to bringing down the NRA. It is not just NY politicians who screwed you over, the NRA had a huge hand in doing it to you as well. And as far as this bill goes, it will be beatin.
S&W Fan
.450/400 Nitro Ex
There are other options? Such as ??
The NRA isn't your enemy either. There are multiple branches and disciplines within the organization and it's offshoots.
You have to remember that they're Lobbying, not actually passing Legislation, and they don't have armies of Lawyers waiting in the wings to deploy to the States whenever there's a Bill introduced or passed, and like it or not there's ALWAYS a political mean and motivation with every Bill Passed or proposed, so we damn well will lose more unrepresented than negotiating concessions.
NRA funded the NYSRPA v. Bruen SCOTUS Case to the tune of two million dollars and supplied Legal and logistical help with it.
The demand in the CCIA that Instructors be NRA certified was prejudicial and discriminatory against Instructors that did not or chose not to be not only Members but be issued Training Credentials. It would seem a good number of those authorized to conduct recognized Training Courses also Train Law Enforcement and Corrections Officers using training they received through the State.
JunkBoxFull
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Yep, got it, thanks
OURS!
The Membership voted twice overwhelmingly to re-elect Wayne, including a vote of confidence conducted at the Annual Meetings.
I ask you: Are you a paid member with five or more concurrent years?
Hochulsucks1234
.357 mag
I was an NRA member for many years. All I really got out of them were magazines. While I am no longer a member, the NRA has been very important to the education of gun safety and shooting sports. The problem is, if the tyrants ban them and their curriculum, then the NYDOJ sets the standards and I do not think you will like the result of that. They can require things as part of their training that can skirt what the law states. Who is to say they dont add "mental health" checks and home inspections as part of their "training" routine. Bottom line...this is bad, whether you like the NRA or not.
What are the other "viable options" for receiving the Training required under the recently passed Concealed Carry Improvement Law that demands that 16 hours of instruction and an additional 2 hours of Range qualification be conducted prior to either initial issuance or renewal of a NYS Handgun Licenses, said training has to be conducted by a Certified NRA Instructor. The viable option of moving out of NYS or becoming Law Enforcement is a bit too radical by comparison.
I do find it ironic that the Legislature wrote this requirement into the Law while at the same time the State AG and her handlers are doing their damnedest to destroy the NRA as a Pro-Gun Association.
JunkBoxFull
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I no longer contribute to Wayne`s wardrobe. Thanks
If you're not a Member, then you have nothing to contribute.
Not your Pig, not your Farm.
JunkBoxFull
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Move out of NY my friend, that`s your only chance to be free again. There is no saving the state.
JunkBoxFull
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yeahhh, you`re right, "not my pig, not my farm", with that said, i`ll gracefully bow out of it. Thanks
I'm not attacking you or your beliefs, whoever I do wish you and others to consider that the acusations of impropriety, graft, and corruption ALL came from People who have sworn to destroy the NRA (State Attorney General, Governor, Senate Majority Leader, et.al) So why would they say something favorable towards the very entity they vowed to destroy?
Over the years it's become apparent that People think the NRA a high and mighty organization that makes the Gun Laws of this Country or has teams of Lawyers to save their asses all because of the $25. they might send in for membership every year. If it was so bad an Association, do you think that almost every Manufacturer of Guns, Ammunition, and Accessories would make Corporate sized donations every year? How about that tens of thousands of Members (and you DO have to be a member in good standing to gain entrance) would attend the Annual Meeting and cast votes to approve the re-hiring and retention of not only Wayne but dozens of Directors, and Division Directors?
Don't by the bullshit from those that hate and would see us destroyed, because plausible as they make it sounds, it's seldom of truth.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
Limiting approved instructors drives prices up, there by making it not affordable to many.
Broome only has 4 approved instructors now. If any of them are NRA instructors, the others will raise the prices even more.
And the training requirement will stand.
And some here want to put all the blame on FUDD'S
@JunkBoxFull NRA instructors do not work for the NRA.
Once certified by the NRA after taking many classes from other NRA instructors and then Training Counselors to become instructors ( costing many hundreds of dollars ) they instruct for themselves, the may get training material from the NRA depending on the type of class they are giving. Most of these pistol permit classes are designed by said instructor.
With the changes that NYS has made there may not be enough certified instructors as it is!
@JunkBoxFull NRA instructors do not work for the NRA.
Once certified by the NRA after taking many classes from other NRA instructors and then Training Counselors to become instructors ( costing many hundreds of dollars ) they instruct for themselves, the may get training material from the NRA depending on the type of class they are giving. Most of these pistol permit classes are designed by said instructor.
With the changes that NYS has made there may not be enough certified instructors as it is!