nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
And just who here in this thread is the constitutional expert? You don't want to believe what Heller says!
NY veteran facing 21 years for having standard Glock magazines
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No. As a juror, I don't have to be an expert I'm not obligated to vote as per what anyone says. Did you read the 4th Circuit's ruling?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Here. In case you didn't read it.
If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence...If the jury feels that the law under which the defendant is accused is unjust, or that exigent circumstances justified the actions of the accused, or for any reason which appeals to their logic or passion, the jury has the power to acquit, and the courts must abide by that decision.
4th Circuit Court of Appeals, United States v. Moylan, 1969
If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence...If the jury feels that the law under which the defendant is accused is unjust, or that exigent circumstances justified the actions of the accused, or for any reason which appeals to their logic or passion, the jury has the power to acquit, and the courts must abide by that decision.
4th Circuit Court of Appeals, United States v. Moylan, 1969
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Isn't that what I said the lawyers pro/def don't want experts! And as far this 4th ruling which are you talking about?
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Okay you posted while I was typing! That is correct the whole jury, good luck with that!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Read the post above your last one.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I'm no expert, but I do know this much.no new law can conflict with the constitution. I don't need the Supreme Court to decide if the confiscation of arms is unconstitutional. It's unconstitutional on its face. it's an illegal law that does not have to be followed. (if you have the balls)
Day444
.223 Rem
I've got an idea. Maybe he had a flashback and thought he was still in the Military!
These articles require the obedience of LAWFULorders. An order which is unlawful not only does not need to be obeyed but obeying such an order can result in criminal prosecution of the one who obeys it. Military courts have long held that military members are accountable for their actions even while following orders -- if the order was illegal.
These articles require the obedience of LAWFULorders. An order which is unlawful not only does not need to be obeyed but obeying such an order can result in criminal prosecution of the one who obeys it. Military courts have long held that military members are accountable for their actions even while following orders -- if the order was illegal.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Why do you keep saying, "Good luck with that."? It only takes one juror for a mistrial.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
You need an acquittal not a mistrial! Mistrial just gets done again! That's why I say good luck with that.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And how many mistrials will go on before they give up? It can easily be done if people weren't like you are saying they should be and more like they need to be.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
How much money does the defendant have? The State have a lot more and Andy is going to want to make a point!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You don't need money for a public defender.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The ball is on our court if we choose to pick it up. It's so easy. If every gun owner got together and did this the Unsafe Act would have to be repealed. Maybe the NRA can lead this charge? 
Day444
.223 Rem
NO! Please tell us you don't really mean that! Public Pretender, he'll get hung for sure!
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Will is starting to realize he is losing again!! LOL!!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
How so? After your 1st trial, why would you even need a lawyer? Anyone can pick up the pattern. When I served Grand Jury, I saw how easy the ADA's job was as far as the Courtroom's part of it goes.
Why would you even need a lawyer in your first trial if every gun owner did their job and ruled as per the 2A?
It looks like you are losing. And you know what? It's sad that you even want to win this argument. I'm not your enemy. The state is.
Had I been in your shoes, I'd gladly lose this argument and open my eyes to the possibilities of what can be done here.
ManrisFrack
6.5 Creedmoor
What does this mean? As I recall, this isn't the first time you've implied some secret that you cannot share but that would somehow validate your position. Quite frankly, put up or shut up because to do otherwise is bullshit.
On another issue: as I understand it, if you try to challenge a criminal law without being charged, the very first motion from the state will be dismissal for lack of standing.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
No Will I was joking as per the LOL! And I never thought of you as an enemy! We're have a respectful debate and that's all I could ask for.
I've heard all of this before about jury nullification chances are very slim that it could happen!
And some here say they don't need the courts or the SCOTUS to tell them what is protected by the 2A well in MHO it does work that way!
And I'll say this again there is more to this story then what we know from the article and his video!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Jury nullifications via mistrials won't happen because people like you will probably vote guilty. Like I said before, it can easily happen if the NRA pitched it.
And why doesn't it work that way in regards to SCOTUS? Please explain that one. No matter what they say as far as criminal law goes, it can be nullified by a jury.
4excal
.338 Win Mag
I have nothing real or substantial to post here, just felt like I had to be a part of a thread with 418 posts! 
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You and Darth.I have nothing real or substantial to post here, just felt like I had to be a part of a thread with 418 posts!
4excal
.338 Win Mag
Why me and darth? He did the same thing? I didn't read 417 prior posts so I really don't know. Or do you mean he has nothing substantial to say ? Lol
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Don't sell yourself short. I learned a lot from your post.I have nothing real or substantial to post here, just felt like I had to be a part of a thread with 418 posts!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I don't want to offend you guys do I'll stay quiet.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I'm just messing with you man. Carry on.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Again a defence lawyer would not want someone in the jury that as a County pistol instructor tells new applicants that they can only have 10 Rd mags!
And as far as the SCOTUS that is the final word on what is constitutional! Hopefully they get to turn over some of the Un-Safe Act!
How do you think you could nullify that much of the jury pools ? To get jury nullification!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Depends on the lawyer. I'd sooner pick you then an obvious flaming liberal if you were what the pool offered.
4excal
.338 Win Mag
I'm just messing with you man. Carry on.
Nah man, I'm really offended by that. To the ignored column with you! ..(my ignore section is filling up pretty damn quickly in this past week or so
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nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Nah man, I'm really offended by that. To the ignored column with you! ..(my ignore section is filling up pretty damn quickly in this past week or so
Me next please!!
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