NYC violates civil rights and forces vaccinations

[Dr. Evil]

We are overrun with third-world invaders though, and getting more third-world all the time as this isn't addressed.

For an extremely contagious disease like measles, or whooping cough, if you are not immune, it effectively does.

So what? It's extremely miserable, it occasionally has serious complications which can be disabling, and in very rare cases, it is deadly. For other diseases, like pertussis/whooping cough, death is less rare.

Seriously, hepatitis A? Unless you are making out (or more) with your patients, there's not much risk of transmitting hepatitis. Why would you compare hepatitis, which is not easily transmitted through casual contact (swapping spit at least), with extremely contagious diseases like measles and whooping cough, that spread through the air?

Like I said before, I have mixed feelings, but I think requiring vaccinations for school at least is appropriate. If you don't want to vaccinate your kids, homeschool.

1. Agree on the third world folks coming here.
2/3. I would rather take better care of myself and build my immune system naturally as opposed to artificially. Part of life is getting things. Again, things like mumps, chicken pox, measles won't kill a relatively healthy person if they get it. I will gladly deal with a short time of misery to avoid a longer time of misery and health issues that can come from artificial immunity down the road. The amount of auto immune issues in society is astounding. Getting things is how you prime the pump so to speak. Health isn't a lack of symptoms and never getting something contrary to the thought of many in this thread.
4. I guess Hep A wasn't the best example. Ok, things spread by air/breathing such as viruses, flus, etc.. In the 20 years in practice these exposures I have weekly with the people I see would then lead me to be sick very often if it was all about the germs. Guarantee if we cultured the throat of a bunch of people at any given time we would find some nasty stuff like possibly strep yet they wouldn't have strep. I'm just not willing to be forced to put things into myself and family because the majority of the population in this country treat themselves like shit as far as lifestyle and how they approach "health." That's when ANYTHING has the ability to do you in. That's like forcing gun control on those who don't break the law and do stupid things with their firearms but you pay for others being criminal and stupid. You guys keep doing what you do and I'll do the same. BTW, if your measles vaccine work so well you have nothing to fear of my kids not being vaccinated.

 

[Acer-m14]

i was born in 65 . .. i got the mumps .. still ate my honey comb cereal .. just took me 2 hours ..

 

[Dr. Evil]

Measles

Here's just one above. Look up measles death per year. Start in the 1990's.

Not talking about globally. This country please.
ZERO U.S. Measles Deaths in 10 Years, but Over 100 Measles Vaccine Deaths Reported

 

[Marine Cpl]

Not talking about globally. This country please.
ZERO U.S. Measles Deaths in 10 Years, but Over 100 Measles Vaccine Deaths Reported

Are we in a bizarro world here? It doesn't matter what county we are speaking of. Measles have killed babies. The reason why there aren't that many baby deaths here in the US to measles is because the majority of the population is vaccinated and so they aren't exposed to it.

That's common knowledge. If the population wasn't vaccinated there would be more baby deaths since they would be exposed to it.

And death isn't the only side effect for babies with measles. They develop pneumonia to from the measles.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Are we in a bizarro world here? It doesn't matter what county we are speaking of. Measles have killed babies. The reason why there aren't that many baby deaths here in the US to measles is because the majority of the population is vaccinated and so they aren't exposed to it.

That's common knowledge. If the population wasn't vaccinated there would be more baby deaths since they would be exposed to it.

And death isn't the only side effect for babies with measles. They develop pneumonia to from the measles.

No bizarro world here. I am talking about the concern right here and now for the whole "the sky is falling" pandemonium regarding measles in NY. People permanently harmed or killed from measles most likely had compromised immune systems to begin with. BTW, did you even look at the info in the link I posted? The weekly CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports (MMWR) since that date have not revealed any measles deaths either. (since 2003).

Also, vaccine introduced in 1963. Deaths already down prior to the vaccine.

 

[Marine Cpl]

No bizarro world here. I am talking about the concern right here and now for the whole "the sky is falling" pandemonium regarding measles in NY. People permanently harmed or killed from measles most likely had compromised immune systems to begin with. BTW, did you even look at the info in the link I posted? The weekly CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports (MMWR) since that date have not revealed any measles deaths either. (since 2003).

Also, vaccine introduced in 1963. Deaths already down prior to the vaccine.

So newborn babies don't have compromised immune systems? And just why do you think measles deaths have been low here in the US? Perhaps because exposure is rare? Why is exposure rare?

 

[Acer-m14]

as seen on TV .. 1001 ways to die .. lets go smoke all we see .. puff puff pass .. it was poison ivy .. dead ..

still waiting on the parachute vacs for jumping out of planes ..

@Dr. Evil any stats on NASCAR vs Measles ??

 

[Dr. Evil]

So newborn babies don't have compromised immune systems?

How many newborn babies have died from measles in the US? Babies have to develop their immune system, it isn't compromised unless the parent abuses themselves during pregnancy. One of the ways they develop an immune system is to get things. The body then learns to respond. As babies age hopefully they don't live the typical lifestyle as far as crappy food and being given a pill for every cough, sniffle and fever. The more you suppress their immune system the less of an immune response it will have and then they definitely become more susceptible to serious issues from things that shouldn't cause said serious issues. Look, I get your position. You were raised the typical way most and as I was. I don't blame you. It's your world, your paradigm and reality. We just choose to have a different understanding and go about things differently. Obviously we are at an impasse here so it doesn't make sense to keep going back and forth. I respect you for your position.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Please refer to me the data on people currently who have died or have been maimed from measles. Here's a concept. Take better care of yourself day to day so you don't have to live in fear of dying from measles.

Or get the vaccine and also take care of yourself? Babies that get it must not have had enough exercise? Diet no good? Also this:

Measles leaves Israeli flight attendant in coma - CNN

 

[Acer-m14]

The body then learns to respond. As babies age hopefully they don't live the typical lifestyle as far as crappy food and being given a pill for every cough, sniffle and fever. The more you suppress their immune system the less of an immune response it will have and then they definitely become more susceptible to serious issues from things that shouldn't cause said serious issues.

in simple terms .. let your baby kid play in the mud ,, rub on cat n dogs .. ect ..

why can't i have a needle and bottle of Cortisone for poison ivy on hand ..

 

[Acer-m14]

Or get the vaccine and also take care of yourself? Babies that get it must not have had enough exercise? Diet no good? Also this:

Measles leaves Israeli flight attendant in coma - CNN

your doing laundry .. i just pissed my pants .. lol

 

[ECU Pirates]

your doing laundry .. i just pissed my pants .. lol

Right because cnn would make up that story. Let me see if the anti vaccine sites covered it. They seem legit.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Here you go haha
Flight Attendant from Israel in Coma After Getting Measles Virus
Different source

 

[Dr. Evil]

in simple terms .. let your baby kid play in the mud ,, rub on cat n dogs .. ect ..

why can't i have a needle and bottle of Cortisone for poison ivy on hand ..

I'm not saying there is never a time and a place. My son is/was very allergic to poison ivy and sumac. We have used drug less things to use every time but once. The goal is to de-sensitive his body to having a reaction though and there are ways to get that done naturally. The body is the issue, not the irritant. If it was the irritant everyone exposed to it would have similar reactions.

 

[ECU Pirates]

This 8-Month-Old Was Hospitalized From Measles Before She Was Old Enough to Be Vaccinated

Surely this couldn’t have been prevented....

 

[Dr. Evil]

Or get the vaccine and also take care of yourself? Babies that get it must not have had enough exercise? Diet no good? Also this:

Measles leaves Israeli flight attendant in coma - CNN

How many freaking times do I have to say there is more to it than diet and exercise. You guys keep pulling the same race card lol.

The 43-year-old woman has encephalitis, or inflammation of the brain, a well-known and potentially deadly complication of the virus. She was otherwise healthy before getting measles.

I beg to differ. People in this country equate being symptom free to health. I don't. I remember an article when Linda McCartney died of cancer. It said something about her being a healthy person that died from cancer. Yeah, people don't get it.

The flight attendant, who works for El Al, the Israeli national airline, might have contracted the virus in New York, in Israel or on a flight between the two

Yeah, like nobody was exposed lol. She was in a confined space with others breathing in and out and magically nobody else was exposed. Being exposed doesn't mean becoming ill. Again, goes back to most folks definition of "health."

 

[Acer-m14]

Oh whoooopie .. i was at the ER .. i got Poison Ivy (2nd time ) .. first time was old fam doc . got shots ..give me a shot of Cortisone all happy in a day .. 2nd time ER .. ,, you can't get it in winter said the ER doc .. FK you Doc .. when toss that cheery log in the wood stove that it grew on .. open stove to add more wood ,, yeah i smoked Poison ivy .. .. this all was in January in NY ..

 

[ECU Pirates]

How many newborn babies have died from measles in the US? .

Perhaps the number is low because oh I don’t know the exposure rate is low? As it climbs so will deaths.

 

[Dr. Evil]

This 8-Month-Old Was Hospitalized From Measles Before She Was Old Enough to Be Vaccinated

Surely this couldn’t have been prevented....

Yes, and I'm sure this baby was the only one exposed to it allegedly from the other person. I would like to know the overall health of the baby who sadly died prior to the sad turn of events.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Doc is measles is making a comeback because people aren’t getting vaccines? Yes or no?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Perhaps the number is low because oh I don’t know the exposure rate is low? As it climbs so will deaths.

Perhaps but it seems the number was pretty low in the above graph long before the vaccine was introduced. Like I mentioned, you live in your world and I'll live in mine. No need going back and forth all night.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Perhaps but it seems the number was pretty low in the above graph long before the vaccine was introduced. Like I mentioned, you live in your world and I'll live in mine. No need going back and forth all night.

I will be in reality. You can be in whatever weird place diet and exercise can prevent measles and polio is.

 

[Acer-m14]

I'm not saying there is never a time and a place. My son is/was very allergic to poison ivy and sumac. We have used drug less things to use every time but once. The goal is to de-sensitive his body to having a reaction though and there are ways to get that done naturally. The body is the issue, not the irritant. If it was the irritant everyone exposed to it would have similar reactions.

i blow up when i get into it .. .. one time my arm was bigger then a football from the reaction . friends n family no issues .. .. BUT omg they got the ivy reaction later on .. was it a open sore / cut on there hand while weeding the yard and got exposed .. ??

btw .. i was covered in home concoctions remedies lol .. the brown sugar / mustard .. sucks

 

[Dr. Evil]

I will be in reality. You can be in whatever weird place diet and exercise can prevent measles and polio is.

For the last time, IT AIN'T JUST DIET AND EXERCISE. I feel like I'm arguing with a liberal lol. To me, what many others do is weird. Appreciate the love though.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Here's something interesting. Oh, BTW, it is from Mayo clinic doctors.

April 2019 | 2019 | Measles is a natural cancer killer | April | 2019 | News | What Doctors Don't Tell You

 

[Dr. Evil]

Doc is measles is making a comeback because people aren’t getting vaccines? Yes or no?

Not sure but I worry more about getting the vaccine than the illness.

Measles Vaccines Kill More People than Measles, CDC Data Proves - Global Research

 

[Marine Cpl]

If your baby gets the measles along with pneumonia from the measles, just pour lemon juice on the pelvic area and wrap with saran wrap. Add some turmeric to the baby's formula. Once the baby begins to work up a sweat, force the baby to crawl and cry. The added exercise will make the baby push through it.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Perhaps the number is low because oh I don’t know the exposure rate is low? As it climbs so will deaths.

Stop using logic. Point to a website that says that measle deaths are low in a country where the overwhelming majority of the population is vaccinated. Don't point to third world countries where the majority of the population isn't vaccinated. Then you can say that it's an overreaction since the mortality rate for infections is low.

 

[ECU Pirates]

So it’s only diet and exercise right? Dr evil must be onto something. He doesn’t even get upset when trolled haha

 

[BDinPutnam]

Please refer to me the data on people currently who have died or have been maimed from measles. Here's a concept. Take better care of yourself day to day so you don't have to live in fear of dying from measles.

Why should anyone refer you to data?

"I suppose you can research it yourself to see if it is correct or not", Doc.