NYC voted to put limits on carbon output on any new building and any requiring a building permit. No gas allowed!!

[camper4lyfe]

Next will be outlawing wood stoves and fireplaces in all NY State

I think that was actually attempted a few years back

 

[jimc]

This should go over well in restaurants... Food costs to customers will skyrocket if they can't cook with cheap, hot burning, safe gas.

 

[livingston]

This should go over well in restaurants... Food costs to customers will skyrocket if they can't cook with cheap, hot burning, safe gas.

This is a racist move against the Asian culture... One needs that searing heat to properly cook Asian food in many cases.

 

[Deplorable Me]

I'm old enough to remember when Enron collapsed and taxpayers had to intervene just to keep the lights on.

We've planned for years on the utilities dropping the ball. So far in my neighborhood they've tested my plans frequently.

 

[DoOver]

We've planned for years on the utilities dropping the ball. So far in my neighborhood they've tested my plans frequently.

So....extrapolated out, mills built on water ways invested in dynamos to power the houses (neighborhoods) that built up around mills.

Twat is old 'tis knew again.

 

[SonOfSun]

Upon rereading your post, there are NOW electric meters that the power company can 'shed load' (shut you the fuq off) in large power users when they are not making enough power, for the greater good, of course.

They don't use meters to do that. And this ability has been around for a long time. Smart meters didn't enable this ability.

https://www.cedengineering.com/userfiles/Intro%20to%20Power%20Plant%20Load%20Shed.%20&%20Cogen..pdf

 

[DoOver]

They don't use meters to do that. And this ability has been around for a long time. Smart meters didn't enable this ability.

https://www.cedengineering.com/userfiles/Intro%20to%20Power%20Plant%20Load%20Shed.%20&%20Cogen..pdf

Jeepers I missed it by a RCH.
So ones power company CAN turn off your power but not by using the electric meter?
If the power company does not use the meter how does the power company know if the subject is using to much power and needs to be shut off?
Or is that a CH too much for youse to cypher??

 

[Mosinitis]

Jeepers I missed it by a RCH.
So ones power company CAN turn off your power but not by using the electric meter?
If the power company does not use the meter how does the power company know if the subject is using to much power and needs to be shut off?
Or is that a CH too much for youse to cypher??

You talk out of your ass about things you don't know and don't understand.

 

[SonOfSun]

Jeepers I missed it by a RCH.
So ones power company CAN turn off your power but not by using the electric meter?
If the power company does not use the meter how does the power company know if the subject is using to much power and needs to be shut off?
Or is that a CH too much for youse to cypher??

They don't turn single customers off because of a power shortage. Power grid shortages aren't from one guy welding too much in his garage. Areas are disconnected from the power supply by distributors switching off the feeder serving that area. A feeder is a high-voltage line that could supply anywhere from a few hundred to many thousands of customers.

Which feeders get switched off depends on a number of factors, including how much power needs to be saved and which areas are using the most energy as well as the priority of the loads on a feeder. Ie. Feeders with a Hospital or a police station are a higher priority than feeders that feed a golf course and a neighborhood. Load sheds are also typically cycled.

If they don't shed load it can seriously damage the entire grid. As in destroy the turbines at the power plant type damage. I'd rather lose power for a couple hours than have half the state without power for a month or longer just because they didn't shed some load.

From the pdf I posted:
The last rows of long, low-pressure blades in steam turbines are tuned to operate free of resonance in a narrow band of frequencies around 60 Hz. When running under heavy load at about 58.5 Hz or below, the steam excitation frequency approaches blade resonance. Under this condition, the blades may vibrate severely, producing fatigue stress. On the average, blades should not be subjected to more than ten minutes of severe vibration totaled over their lifespan; fatigue is cumulative.

Steam turbines should last 30-50 years. 10 minutes of low frequency wrecks them. Utilities don't just keep extra ones hanging around.

 

[Phauxtoe]

Someone should tell them where electricity comes from.

shhhhhhh....

 

[spat]

They don't turn single customers off because of a power shortage. Power grid shortages aren't from one guy welding too much in his garage. Areas are disconnected from the power supply by distributors switching off the feeder serving that area. A feeder is a high-voltage line that could supply anywhere from a few hundred to many thousands of customers.

Which feeders get switched off depends on a number of factors, including how much power needs to be saved and which areas are using the most energy as well as the priority of the loads on a feeder. Ie. Feeders with a Hospital or a police station are a higher priority than feeders that feed a golf course and a neighborhood. Load sheds are also typically cycled.

If they don't shed load it can seriously damage the entire grid. As in destroy the turbines at the power plant type damage. I'd rather lose power for a couple hours than have half the state without power for a month or longer just because they didn't shed some load.

From the pdf I posted:
The last rows of long, low-pressure blades in steam turbines are tuned to operate free of resonance in a narrow band of frequencies around 60 Hz. When running under heavy load at about 58.5 Hz or below, the steam excitation frequency approaches blade resonance. Under this condition, the blades may vibrate severely, producing fatigue stress. On the average, blades should not be subjected to more than ten minutes of severe vibration totaled over their lifespan; fatigue is cumulative.

Steam turbines should last 30-50 years. 10 minutes of low frequency wrecks them. Utilities don't just keep extra ones hanging around.

Some individual customers might get shut off, but they would be huge industrial customers like Aluminum smelters or something. They would also probably be well aware it was coming.

 

[Saltwater60]

Some individual customers might get shut off, but they would be huge industrial customers like Aluminum smelters or something. They would also probably be well aware it was coming.

So we will give businesses an even greater incentive to move to China.

 

[spat]

So we will give businesses an even greater incentive to move to China.

If we literally can't supply them the power they need to operate, what else are they going to do.

If there are only X kilowatts available on the grid, but the demand is for X+Y kilowatts, someone's getting shorted.

The only alternative is to let the whole grid collapse, then *everyone* gets shorted.

 

[Robin]

They are determined to turn that place into North Tijuana, rated one of the top two worst and most dangerous cities to live in, on the entire planet.

 

[ProgSpear]

If we literally can't supply them the power they need to operate, what else are they going to do.

If there are only X kilowatts available on the grid, but the demand is for X+Y kilowatts, someone's getting shorted.

The only alternative is to let the whole grid collapse, then *everyone* gets shorted.

And this would definitely get the attention of the contented sheeple. Cold winters have a way of sharpening your mind. Or maybe dying…

 

[Saltwater60]

If we literally can't supply them the power they need to operate, what else are they going to do.

If there are only X kilowatts available on the grid, but the demand is for X+Y kilowatts, someone's getting shorted.

The only alternative is to let the whole grid collapse, then *everyone* gets shorted.

I was thinking more on the cost side of things as well. But sure it will work both ways. We’re fucked!