Dr. Evil
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NYPD arrests people over social distancing
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Chicken Shoot
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Dr. Evil
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Hope your Commodore 64 isn't effected by the virus.Thanks Bro! Good to see you're still at it on here!! Keep it up you evil SOB!!
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I can nearly guarantee that my health regimen is among the top 10 of this forum. Doesn’t mean I going to take stupid risks in the face of this virus.
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Some of you guys are on the outside looking in. I get that. I was the same way until it hit home. When someone you work with that you spent many hours on the train with at a construction site and gone on a fishing trip with to Hyannis Port dies, you will change your mind and say,”Damn. If that happened to Andre who is as healthy as I am, I better not fuck around with this.” Because even if I survive, I can kill my wife.
And that’s just him. There’s not counting the others that I know on respirators.
The outside looking in happened in stages for me. When it was in China and Europe, I didn’t give a fuck. Seemed far fetched to me. When it hit certain parts of NYC, I didn’t give a fuck either. That was mostly in Brooklyn. I’m in the Bronx for work in a yard away from the public. When the same Superintendent that told me to go home and self quarantine when my wife was sick got it and was put on a ventilator, it became real. Then another I once worked with also got put on a ventilator in an induced coma. Then another who recently retired also got put on one. He was the one in bad health. Everyone else looked like me.
Shit gets real when people you know start dropping. Then you start thinking about your wife, her sister, her dad, your kids, ect.
Out of the 6 people I know, 4 from the job that I listed above needed medical help with one fatality, one also from my job beat it, and another of my wife’s childhood friends beat it.
Yeah. Grim numbers. And I’m probably in the minority of people that had the numbers not in their favor while others that know people for the most part came out fine. I get that. But when it hits home, it hits home. If any of you ever have a fatality or a critical hospitalization happen to a loved one, you will change your tune Ricky Tick. It won’t be media sensationalism then. It won’t be this grand conspiracy.
You guys are on the outside looking in. I hope you never get to the inside. We cannot even go pay our respects properly to our work brother that died. And you know what, I’m sure someone out there reading this is probably thinking BS based on how argumentative I normally am. If so, so be it.
And that’s just him. There’s not counting the others that I know on respirators.
The outside looking in happened in stages for me. When it was in China and Europe, I didn’t give a fuck. Seemed far fetched to me. When it hit certain parts of NYC, I didn’t give a fuck either. That was mostly in Brooklyn. I’m in the Bronx for work in a yard away from the public. When the same Superintendent that told me to go home and self quarantine when my wife was sick got it and was put on a ventilator, it became real. Then another I once worked with also got put on a ventilator in an induced coma. Then another who recently retired also got put on one. He was the one in bad health. Everyone else looked like me.
Shit gets real when people you know start dropping. Then you start thinking about your wife, her sister, her dad, your kids, ect.
Out of the 6 people I know, 4 from the job that I listed above needed medical help with one fatality, one also from my job beat it, and another of my wife’s childhood friends beat it.
Yeah. Grim numbers. And I’m probably in the minority of people that had the numbers not in their favor while others that know people for the most part came out fine. I get that. But when it hits home, it hits home. If any of you ever have a fatality or a critical hospitalization happen to a loved one, you will change your tune Ricky Tick. It won’t be media sensationalism then. It won’t be this grand conspiracy.
You guys are on the outside looking in. I hope you never get to the inside. We cannot even go pay our respects properly to our work brother that died. And you know what, I’m sure someone out there reading this is probably thinking BS based on how argumentative I normally am. If so, so be it.
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Good to see you around Chicken.
holdover
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You guys will be fine .
Been there done that. Shit got real when people I deployed with died from an IED that split a Stryker in half. Funny thing is I was on that very same road the night prior only we couldn't make it that far down due to mud from the monsoon. So if it hadn't been raining that hard it would have been me. Doesn't get much realer than that.
I don't care what anyone else thinks about this but the way I see it is. When God calls me home aint shit I or anyone else can do about it and until he does I will be right here on this earth. This virus could kill me as easily as that IED, tornadoes when I lived in KY, sharks when I lived in Hawaii, or the semi coming down the road and the guy driving is too busy watching porn.
holdover
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Says a guy who jumps out of airplanes
I don't see the risk as being very large, So for me its not really a stupid risk, its a long shot.
Robin
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I'm used to facing trouble head on. This whole thing is alien to me and the type of person I am. But I am flexible, infinitely adaptable and I will raise or lower myself to face this bug head on as well. Kind of like Judo, always assessing, let the weight and momentum of the adversary play itself out seems good for now. Hai!
Robin
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spat
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Except you want to stop other people from taking your slot in the "somebody's got to get it" lottery.
I am pretty well hunkered down here, but it won't help if everyone else is too.
We *need* enough people to get this before things will be over. Do you still want to be locked down next year just hoping your number doesn't come up ? Or would you prefer the herd immunity to be built in a month so by people who aren't smart enough to avoid the subway ?
Call me selfish, but I'd prefer to let the idiots catch is so I don't have to.
meketrefe
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Rights, no rights, who cares? The virus doesn't care about rights, constitutions, color, gender, religion or anything else
other than taking you down to chinatown.
I wonder how many people who willingly engage in potentially risky behavior would be ok with having their health insurance void?
It happens with other insurance policies and why they have agents and investigators.
Of course assuming they do not give it to someone else and claiming one took "some" precautions is not a great justification
to avoid more effective measures knowing the virus is out there.
One cannot drink from a creek and poison the water one doesn't need. It is ethically wrong regardless if there is a local or other law against it.
Or Do we have to explain the transcendence of Natural law? Natural law overrides all other man made laws.
I was hoping this would be a good time for reflection and for people to consider their obligations as citizens.
other than taking you down to chinatown.
I wonder how many people who willingly engage in potentially risky behavior would be ok with having their health insurance void?
It happens with other insurance policies and why they have agents and investigators.
Of course assuming they do not give it to someone else and claiming one took "some" precautions is not a great justification
to avoid more effective measures knowing the virus is out there.
One cannot drink from a creek and poison the water one doesn't need. It is ethically wrong regardless if there is a local or other law against it.
Or Do we have to explain the transcendence of Natural law? Natural law overrides all other man made laws.
I was hoping this would be a good time for reflection and for people to consider their obligations as citizens.
spat
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All of this sentiment is based on the faulty premise that these actions can reduce the number of people who catch the virus.
They cannot.
See if you can find *any* statistics from a reputable source that will suggest the *total* number of cases will be reduced by any of these measures.
So, if you're not reducing the number of people who catch this virus, what *are* you doing with all these draconian measures now ? What's the point at all ?
Whats the point of being a citizen when nature's laws only apply?
Its one or the other, which laws are we playing by nature's laws or citizen's laws, meaning constitution, penal and whatnot?
This is not just about being a good citizen, this is about free will. We are a country founded on free will, there should never be a reason to give that up period. Either the constitution is the supreme law of the land governing all other laws or it is not.
I choose freedom, freedom to decide its dangerous for me to visit my 90 y.o. grandmother because that is who this virus is targeting. But I forgot that the dems have pretty much trained everyone 30 and younger to not think for themselves anymore. Well guess what, tough shit. My freedom doesn't end because someone else is a dumbass, same with firearms laws, same with free speech.
This whole thing isn't about the virus, its about gaining as much control and power as the government can seize without us revolting. This is all a test. I still submit the virus wasn't pre-planed by our government but they be damned if they ever let a good crisis go to waste.
meketrefe
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When we need to fly we have a pilot.
When the power goes out we call the power company and/or electrician.
It this case the doctors are the ones telling us what to do that is confinement, mask and glove protection, etc...
Isolation and protection works. In any pandemic, the protocol is to use protection and use confinement and quarantine.
Making all sort of nonsense conjectures against medical advice and asking for proof when the otherwise claim has no
basis of proof is a pretty absurd way to challenge a well established methodology and science, don't you think?.
Ignorance about something cannot be used as a justification to refute advances in science.
We cannot prove that something is working if we are not doing it in the first place, and we see we are not doing it, this
is a fact.
There is no draconian anything. Doctors are scrambling to save lives and we(some people) are helping them so the system doesn't collapse.
Give them some time. This is not 2+2=4.
Blindly following someone just because they are in power doesnt always turn out so well.
How come all these major universities are contradicting president Faucci's predictions?
Herd immunity - Wikipedia
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meketrefe
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How we are citizens under natural law?
Lets forget for a second about borders and countries and man-made laws.
Now you are in an ancient village or tribe and the village decides they need to do something to protect everyone.
In the village there are warriors, makers, workers, mothers, fathers, elders, kids, lifestock. Everyone has a role and whether you like it or not
you are given a role and you do it and if you don't like it you do it anyway because that is how villages, tribes and humans
have been able to thrive and survive.
Being a good villager can be translated to being a good citizen in modern times.
Forget about governments and politicians. Think about your community and your family and friends. That is your village.
The Natural law is very simple. All this individualistic bull crap is overrated.
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What does your lack of fear of not dying have anything to do with anyone else near you who has that fear and doesn’t want themselves or their family exposed?
holdover
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Video above:
MN Sen & Dr.
@drscottjensen
said that he received a 7 pg doc from
@mnhealth
to fill out death certificates with a diagnosis of #COVID-19 whether the person actually died from COVID-19 or not. Why is #MN inflating COVID-19 death numbers?
he government predictions reported by the IHME Covid Tracking (Most recent data ) for Apr 5th were as follows:
– All beds needed: 179,267
– ICU beds needed: 33,176
– Invasive ventilators: 26,544
The actual numbers as recorded at The Covid Tracking Project:
– Actual hospitalizations: 22,158
– In ICU: 5,207
– On ventilator: 656
The actual numbers show:
Via Dr. Ned Nikolov.
– Overestimation of hospitalizations: 8 times
– Overestimation of of ICU beds needed: 6.4 times
– Overestimation of ventilators needed: 40.5 times
Covid Tracking Website DELETES Information on Hospitalizations, ICU Patients After TGP Reports Numbers Fall Well Below Model Predictions
As reported yesterday at The Gateway Pundit. The government models used to predict the extent of the coronavirus pandemic are off by huge margins in the latest coronavirus tracking numbers. The government predictions reported by the IHME Covid Tracking (Most recent data ) for Apr...
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Dr. Birx on Tuesday told a reporter during a Coronavirus task force briefing, “We’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality.”
“Can you talk about your concerns about deaths being misreported by Coronavirus because of either testing or standards for how they are characterized?” the reporter asked Birx.
“If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” Birx said.
There is a big difference between dying with the virus and from the virus.
Video.
UPDATE: Dr. Birx Confirms Anyone Who Dies WITH Coronavirus, Regardless of Any Underlying Health Condition, is Being Counted as a COVID-19 Death (VIDEO)
As TGP reported over the weekend, the amount of Americans who are reported to have died from the Coronavirus is based on a CDC coding system that will “result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.” Dr. Birx confirmed this on Tuesday during a COVID-19 task force briefing. A...
"We've taken a very liberal approach to mortality."
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Then stay home. I am not forcing them to go out but people are trying to force me to stay home. And to be honest staying home is my preference anyway, I just don't someone threatening me with fines.
meketrefe
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Blindly following someone just because they are in power doesnt always turn out so well.
How come all these major universities are contradicting what president Faucci's predictions?
Herd immunity - Wikipedia
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Herd immunity is what we need. In order to achieve this vaccination programs speed up the process
by giving the antibodies through the vaccine and therefore achieving that minimum % required in the
shortest possible time so this way we can avoid unnecessary suffering and/or death.
I was reading an article from Larry Brilliant one the people who ended smallpox that they found
that certain medications have suppressing effects. Not only as therapy alternatives but they saw clusters reduce.
The general tactic is early detection and early response, unlike other viruses this is something we don't have with Corona.
We don't even have the right data yet.
keep in mind this is from 2007 so today we know more but also SARs is a lot more predictable than this novel corona virus.
holdover
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Reporter: Dr. Birx, can you talk about your concerns about deaths being misreported by coronavirus because of either by testing for standards for how they're characterized? Dr. Birx: So I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality and I think the reporting here has been pretty straight forward over the last five to six weeks. Prior to that when there wasn't testing in January and February that's a very different situation and unknown. There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition and let's say the virus called you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem, some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we're still recording it and we all, I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to mark it as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now those, if someone dies with the COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.
Deborah Leah Birx (born April 4, 1956) is an American physician and diplomat who specializes in HIV/AIDS immunology, vaccine research, and global health.[1] As of March 2020, Birx serves as the Coronavirus Response Coordinator for the White House Coronavirus Task Force.[2][3] From 2014 to 2020, Birx served as Ambassador-at-Large and United States Global AIDS Coordinator, where she was responsible for the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) program in 65 countries supporting HIV/AIDS treatment and prevention programs.[4]
The deaths are being exaggerated. Not my opinion . Its right here in front of you. You want to hear it from the lips of a doctor? Right here .
meketrefe
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Blindly following someone just because they are in power doesnt always turn out so well.
How come all these major universities are contradicting president Faucci's predictions?
Herd immunity - Wikipedia
What predictions?
Number of infected. Number of deaths.
meketrefe
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opinions, opinions, opinions.
We would have to ask all the organizations and doctors around the world right?
otherwise what she is saying is in contradiction with the official reports.
Lets not even consider Chinese since they have been inaccurate form the beginning their stats droped drastically (as per JHS) that is an impossiblity.
This one from Spain is pretty accurate and they DO NOT count people who die in a car crash even if they are carriers of the virus.
This has been confirmed by the ministry of health. Still the government are idiots and took too long and their estimates were all wrong
(much lower than the actuals) and now they are suffering the consequences.
Deaths by day might be adjusted but it is early to say their trending down but the rate of acceleration is controlled via the confinement
program. keep in mind many deaths are from admissions 4-6 weeks ago so that with the added 3 - 4 weeks of incubation (the biggest
problem with covid) that is when things started to flatten but I am afraid this might continue flat with deaths for another 4-6 weeks.
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I am sorry for the loss of your coworkers. Nobody would say that's a good thing. My point is how you and many people define health. I am not talking about those with obvious illness and disease. I am talking about what constitutes as health in this country. People think you are healthy if you are fit. People think you are healthy if you don't have aches and pains. People think health comes in a synthetic drug or shot. People think that when they have symptoms they are sick and when they don't they are well. People think that when they have symptoms and take the drug that gets rid of the symptoms they are well. It is hard to blame anyone for this paradigm because this is how most are raised. It's how I was raised. It is also the reason why we are so unhealthy and sick as a nation.
My mother in law, who I mentioned previously, showed nothing on the outside for most of her life. She looked good, felt good and acted good. Anyone who would have seen her would have thought she was in good health because after all, we base "health" on what I mentioned above. Most wouldn't know she was on high blood pressure meds even though she didn't fit the typical profile of a smoker, being overweight, etc.. She died 9 years ago at 69 due to a tumor the doctors didn't even address for 25 years that was causing her high blood pressure. Almost right up to the end you probably would have thought she was doing great if you had met her again, because of what I mentioned above.
I'll mention Florence Joyner again. Most were STUNNED when she died in her late 30's. "But she was so healthy" they exclaimed. Why? Well, they were basing it again on what I mentioned above. As a matter of fact, do you see sickness here? Would you have though she was "healthy?" I'm sure you would have.
It always makes me shake my head when someone passes from an illness that doesn't lend outward notification to others and people still claim, "I can't believe they died. They were so healthy." Um, no, if they were they would still be here.
Years ago there was a frat house that had a party with a lot of grain alcohol. 4 college students died from alcohol poisoning but 5 actually were poisoned. The one guy who didn't die threw up before he passed out, the others didn't. So the guy who threw up had a healthy function that saved his life and the others didn't. People think throwing up means you're sick. No, it means your body function is doing what it should do by getting rid of toxins. We have a very warped idea of health.
Please don't conflate my words with not thinking loss of life during this situation is real and sad. It is. I am just saying just because you or anyone else says this person or that person was healthy and they died doesn't make it so.
meketrefe
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Those are not predictions. Only an explanation of the different models applied to herd immunity.
The HIT range for covid is not accurate because we do not have enough data.
They put this in a table compared to other diseases where we have years of data vs. a novel virus.
One of the problems of previous model is the x2-x3 time of incubation period and why we see hot spots
with sudden spikes and it is a lot harder to do segmentation and correlate.
It will take time to have reliable models.
First we need better data.
When you say 200,000 people in the US are going to die before this is over. That is a prediction, and that asshat was wrong, so wrong, it was like they came up with that number to cause this mass hysteria.
meketrefe
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This is a fucked up situation specially when we starting to hear from friends who lost family or friends,
sometimes not one but two in the same family.
In Spain and Italy young people are dying too and not just a handful.
Of course in nursing homes it hits the worse. There always people die sometimes 1 or 2 a week.
in those places they are now seeing 10-20 in one single night so it is pretty brutal.
But even the young people, so they have doctors wondering if there is something else besides genetics.
There are theories about the air quality (larger cities) and even the vaccinations programs that have been
somewhat lax due to being disease free for decades. For example Portugal still vaccinates for TB at birth whereas other
Europan countries and US or Canada not.
still early to say.
People are nervous and want to go back to their lives that is understandable. We could say 'fuck it' lets go for it and
get everyone exposed but doctors still have no clue what will happen and nobody wants to hear 3-5 million dead.
Dr. Evil
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I don't dispute that.