ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Wow. I think I will suck it up for 17 more years haha
NYPD vets upset rookies get better guns
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Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
It is remembursement for money spent through out the year. Most departments supply the uniforms and equipment etc.
A rookie NYPD cop has to shell out about 3,000 dollars before they even see their first paycheck. The uniform allowance after taxes is about 600 dollars take home and is paid at the end of the year. Do the math. It's about 5 years before they break even on the it . This doesn't include incurring cost of cleaning, fixing, or replacing equipment. Cops like college freshmen put on a few pounds and have to replace items
I guess so. But the NYC PBA has been without a contract for about 5 years.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Many do buy the best equipment they are authorized to have. I know many NYPD guys who had to buy their own vests because when that department decided to replace their vests it was over 15 years later( despite OSHA type requirements and the vest warranty being 5 years). The patrol cars are in bad shape and many cops are forced to put their own money into the cars to keep them running otherwise they have to walk a foot post.
Guys do put money into their jobs all the time. Where do you think the snacks a prisoner might get are from especially when the detectives give the a snack during an interview?
It's the Cost of doing business sometimes.
And yes some top pay cops do make good money. NYPD cops are not well paid especially in the beginning. Starting pay a few years ago was less than $26,000 in NYC. Some literally did qualify for food stamps. Those who did join decided to go for the long game rather than a quick payday.
Hey, let's make our soldiers and marines pay for their equipment too. -lol
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
There are so many that willingly volunteer nowadays I bet you could get them to pay for their own stuff. Now if you're drafted that's a different story.
Onegunnotenough
.40 S&W
NYC cops can't hit their targets due to almost 12 lb trigger pull on those wrotten double action pistols.. Try shooting a pistol with a 12lb pull and double action. They are all over the place..that's why they shoot 80 rounds and score 2 hits...well that and the training is not so intense either
Its usually never the gun. The gun always shoots better than the person pulling the trigger
Its usually never the gun. The gun always shoots better than the person pulling the trigger
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
They used to use DA revolvers and shot better. Plenty of people can hit with 12 pound triggers. I have shot with the NY2 spring, a well trained person can still be plenty effective. If it's all you train on it should not be a huge issue. For someone with weak hands it might become a bigger issue though. The NYPD gets a bad rap for marksmanship and they have had some terrible performances (2 for 80). That being said I would guess they fall into the average when it comes to nation wide police shootings with regards to hits versus shots fired.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
The union rep is at it again.....
Let's do the math. 1000 a year for 34,000 officers. That's about 34,000,000 a year from the tax payers. You know darn well cops are not spending that money every year on uniforms (even after it's taxed). The new hires (and any cop) can also write off any expenses by the way. A NYPD shirt is like $30 and a pair of pants is about $35. After the initial $2500 (I'm reading it's not 3k but around 2500) is covered it's a few hundred a year offices most likely pocket. If that 2500 expense is written off it's actually even less of a burden. A person required to go out and buy a weeks worth of suits for an office job will spend at least that and not get an allowance for it. I won't be shedding any tears for someone getting $650 a year right around Christmas time (funny how that worked out) to use for anything. How many cops would rather have uniforms issued and not get the $? I would guess none once the initial expense is covered. My brother graduated from the academy last year. I will ask him what he had to pay initially.
SubOhm
.40 S&W
$2500 in gear to start
Same... bought a used van, + tools, + material stock, i was at about $20k before i saw a nickle.
I love listening to civil servants with top teir salary and the best benefits complain about their pay and benefits.
my family health plan with no vision or dental and an $8k deductable costs me $1660/m.
Same... bought a used van, + tools, + material stock, i was at about $20k before i saw a nickle.
I love listening to civil servants with top teir salary and the best benefits complain about their pay and benefits.
my family health plan with no vision or dental and an $8k deductable costs me $1660/m.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The union rep is at it again.....
Let's do the math. 1000 a year for 34,000 officers. That's about 34,000,000 a year from the tax payers. You know darn well cops are not spending that money every year on uniforms (even after it's taxed). The new hires (and any cop) can also write off any expenses by the way. A NYPD shirt is like $30 and a pair of pants is about $35. After the initial $2500 (I'm reading it's not 3k but around 2500) is covered it's a few hundred a year offices most likely pocket. If that 2500 expense is written off it's actually even less of a burden. A person required to go out and buy a weeks worth of suits for an office job will spend at least that and not get an allowance for it. I won't be shedding any tears for someone getting $650 a year right around Christmas time (funny how that worked out) to use for anything. How many cops would rather have uniforms issued and not get the $? I would guess none once the initial expense is covered. My brother graduated from the academy last year. I will ask him what he had to pay initially.
Of course it was timed for Christmas. And yes, they often won't spend that amount on the uniform. I know of ghetto NYPD cops who would not replace pants that had a hole in the crotch to save a dime.
As how much that "reefer" coat cost( the old fashion large buttoned winter coat is. A coat that rarely worn if ever. Ask a NYPD highway cop how much the leather coat and gear costs.
Google it yourself. How about the unnecessary equipment they are forced to buy like a whistle or belt keepers. How they have to buy the recruit grey shirts then buy the blue after the academy. Or the academy gym uniform.
A lot of NYPD cops buy "unauthorized " uniforms from the police supply stores because they are often better products such as the 5.11 jacket vs the one their equipment section sells. Another example is the duty belt, many wear a duty belt that is nylon or real leather as opposed to the fake leather belt they are supposed to wear.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
I don't complain about what I make. But imagine if you were the NYPD cop who sees every one of the police departments paying their cops 50 to 100,000 dollars more than you for less work. NYPD detectives and Lt's leave the NYPD to become rookies in other departments they leave for a new department who have as much as twelve years before they reach their new top pay.
it can take some time to get to a pay grade that really pays or a position where overtime is possible.
Did you spend 20,000 in tools to work for yourself/ or to work for someone's company as employee. Even as a trainee?
Is your earning potential higher than an NYPD cop. Probably. They are not paid market rates for the area and it is illegal for them to strike. Yes many stay for the pension or excitement etc-long term but the majority are poor for most of their careers and gets perks toward the end.
And after speaking to some of friends about the health insurance, it's not what it used to be. There is a free plan but many doctors no longer except it. The other plans can be quite expensive.
Dental plans and prescription drugs plans are thru their unions and can be very limited depending on which union. Detectives have a worse plan than rookie cops. I know NYPD cops who turned down detective shields because it .
Not every cop job or assignment is the same but the NYPD cop in midtown Mahattan gets paid the same as a cop who works Fort Apache in the Bronx and might make more overtime as well. The Fort Apache cop is under paid.
I make more than most of my NYPD friends and many of them work in worse conditions
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
I've noticed this across many professions in many fields. For the most part in the beginning you have a tough/more difficult job and are underpaid. Then at a certain level it gets easier and you get paid to do less/easier tasks and realistically should be getting paid as much as when you first started out. Then when you get even higher up you are again doing tough/difficult tasks and are underpaid. Almost not worth graduating from the middle. The middle ground seems to be the best place to be. The world is just backwards like that. Look at pro athletes. We know why they get paid the way they do but should they really?
Can they choose whatever whistle they want or are they mandated to use a certain one? A Fox 40 is ridiculously loud and is like $5. A Storm is louder and like $7, but probably too large.
Aren't belt keepers like $10?
Shirts and pants are the most over priced, especially for supervisors because of the stupid thicker stripe. My pants are $80 each and shirts are $40 but then like $15 more for rank and seniority stripes to be sewn on. And unlike the military, the stupid way they sew them on almost guarantees that they cannot be reused when a shirt needs to be replaced. They sort of get sewn and ironed on with a sticky backing.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
I know they are forced to buy what is sold at the academy when they first get hired so if they already had something,even if they had one (say their family member is already a cop gave them one), it doesn't matter. They have to buy it from the academy.( this might have changed since my friends were there), I don't know if a different whistle would be authorized. I don't any cops with time on that actually carries one.
There are a lot of unnecessary equipment they are forced to buy and never really use. The whistle is just one among many.
I carried mine for years on purpose just so some dick supervisor couldn't get me on such an easy one. Paid off once at roll call when our Sgt was mad at us and checked. I was the only one with it (no one got hit, he just yelled a lot). It finally disappeared one day and I never replaced it.