NYS has a gun registry!

[Chicken Shoot]

According to the NYS NICS person today, who is NOT law enforcement of any kind, when asked if NY has indeed started an illegal gun registry, his answer was "It exists but it is legal in NY." So .... anyone else ready to sue the shit outta this anti-American state and ALL democrap poilticians yet?? Where are all of these supposed gun groups protecting the citizens?? Huh?? Where are they? Nowhere that's where. This is 100% BULLSHIT!! This came from the ATF/NYNICS meeting today. NY's NICS are done in NJ BTW and not in NY. NY can't afford to enforce this unconstitutional horseshit so they have other states doing the work for them. NYS is NOT charged for doing a NICS BGC either ... but YOU ARE!! The charge for the BGC is just another ILLEGAL tax!!! When the guy from NYNICS was asked what they were going to do with the registry he has no clue what to answer other than "We may dump the info after a year or so." Right ......

 

[GOPerfect]

Holy shit CS!!!!

Where in the hell have you been?

Now, I will go back and read what you posted.

 

[cgrutt]

Hey D!

 

[FP1201]

Well Sir you are right and wrong: The NICS Checks are performed under contract to the NYSP by Tyler Technologies of Austin Texas, not NJ (although New Jersey has it's own in-house BGC)
NY has had a "registry" since the Sullivan Act of 1911, further enhancement was made when the (un) SAFE Act was passed demanding idiots and LEO wanting to keep their careers were required to register their "assault weapons" (sic) and with the CCIA's passage and adoption of the Third Party checks, a true registry of transfers of guns, ammunition, and even "Muzzleloaders" is maintained in a data base accessible to the State and likely anyone else who wants to access it under color of law. That database contains all your personally identifiable information, NYS Client number, Social Security Number (Federal violation?), the make, model, caliber, serial number of the gun, and in the case of ammunition the dumbasses wanted serial numbers, but since those don't exists, they decided the Lot number (if there is one) would suffice, along with quantity.
Sorry, but you're over a year late to the Party and the only way it gets broken up is for Republicans to take majority control of all three levers of Power then actually fucking do something with that power.

 

[Chicken Shoot]

Well Sir you are right and wrong: The NICS Checks are performed under contract to the NYSP by Tyler Technologies of Austin Texas, not NJ (although New Jersey has it's own in-house BGC)
NY has had a "registry" since the Sullivan Act of 1911, further enhancement was made when the (un) SAFE Act was passed demanding idiots and LEO wanting to keep their careers were required to register their "assault weapons" (sic) and with the CCIA's passage and adoption of the Third Party checks, a true registry of transfers of guns, ammunition, and even "Muzzleloaders" is maintained in a data base accessible to the State and likely anyone else who wants to access it under color of law. That database contains all your personally identifiable information, NYS Client number, Social Security Number (Federal violation?), the make, model, caliber, serial number of the gun, and in the case of ammunition the dumbasses wanted serial numbers, but since those don't exists, they decided the Lot number (if there is one) would suffice, along with quantity.
Sorry, but you're over a year late to the Party and the only way it gets broken up is for Republicans to take majority control of all three levers of Power then actually fucking do something with that power.

That's very possible since I have been off of here for awhile. What I posted was explained today at the state police academy. They specifically said that NJ is doing their BGC's so I'll take it that is indeed where they are performed. ATF was there a well. When I was a manager of a gun store, we were told by NYSP kalifornia was doing the BGC's and when we called to ask for guidance before it went into effect, we had to contact a company in kalifornia. Texas? A Texas company makes sense since Texas is a blue state itself. Even though I may be a year late, I'm still PO'ed and was never informed of any of that even when in the industry. We were lied to by the NYSP then. (although those 33 morons in a room doing the BGC's have nothing to do with the NYSP ... another lie to the people) Thank you for the info. How has that Sullivan decision held up in any court? I again will ask .... where are all of the supposed gun rights groups??

 

[GOPerfect]

That's very possible since I have been off of here for awhile. What I posted was explained today at the state police academy. They specifically said that NJ is doing their BGC's so I'll take it that is indeed where they are performed. ATF was there a well. When I was a manager of a gun store, we were told by NYSP kalifornia was doing the BGC's and when we called to ask for guidance before it went into effect, we had to contact a company in kalifornia. Texas? A Texas company makes sense since Texas is a blue state itself. Even though I may be a year late, I'm still PO'ed and was never informed of any of that even when in the industry. We were lied to by the NYSP then. (although those 33 morons in a room doing the BGC's have nothing to do with the NYSP ... another lie to the people) Thank you for the info. How has that Sullivan decision held up in any court? I again will ask .... where are all of the supposed gun rights groups??

When a true violation is noted, all of the these pro-gun groups disappear like a fart in the wind.

One of the reasons I stopped supporting all of them.

 

[FP1201]

That's very possible since I have been off of here for awhile. What I posted was explained today at the state police academy. They specifically said that NJ is doing their BGC's so I'll take it that is indeed where they are performed. ATF was there a well. When I was a manager of a gun store, we were told by NYSP kalifornia was doing the BGC's and when we called to ask for guidance before it went into effect, we had to contact a company in kalifornia. Texas? A Texas company makes sense since Texas is a blue state itself. Even though I may be a year late, I'm still PO'ed and was never informed of any of that even when in the industry. We were lied to by the NYSP then. (although those 33 morons in a room doing the BGC's have nothing to do with the NYSP ... another lie to the people) Thank you for the info. How has that Sullivan decision held up in any court? I again will ask .... where are all of the supposed gun rights groups??

Having spoken to NYSP representatives, I have come to the conclusion that many are ignorant of the actual facts and legalities, relying on imperious vocalizations to substantiate their opinions disguised as facts...ATF Field Agents may not be any better; many of them don't know exactly what's going on because it's a State versus Federal issue. Prior to 9/13/23 when a Dealer in NY submitted a check, it was the FBI in Atlanta answering it, now Tyler Tech. gets the data transmission (no phone calls) they run it and if there's a problem (as far as I know) someone representing the NYSP in Albany researches and makes determination. Checks for Ammunition and Muzzleloaders are prohibited from the (Federal) National Instant Background Check System by Congress, so the State ostensibly runs their own criminal check system via the Tyler computer system.

Fifteen states perform all their own background checks through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) application:
California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington.


In the remaining four states, the FBI and the state each provide partial service.

Take a ride down the Rabbit Hole: Hey, remember when I told ya that Tyler Technologies (a Third Party Contractor for the NYSP doing Background Checks) could be hacked and Data spilled?

 

[Chicken Shoot]

Having spoken to NYSP representatives, I have come to the conclusion that many are ignorant of the actual facts and legalities, relying on imperious vocalizations to substantiate their opinions disguised as facts...ATF Field Agents may not be any better; many of them don't know exactly what's going on because it's a State versus Federal issue. Prior to 9/13/23 when a Dealer in NY submitted a check, it was the FBI in Atlanta answering it, now Tyler Tech. gets the data transmission (no phone calls) they run it and if there's a problem (as far as I know) someone representing the NYSP in Albany researches and makes determination. Checks for Ammunition and Muzzleloaders are prohibited from the (Federal) National Instant Background Check System by Congress, so the State ostensibly runs their own criminal check system via the Tyler computer system.

Fifteen states perform all their own background checks through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) application:
California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington.


In the remaining four states, the FBI and the state each provide partial service.

Take a ride down the Rabbit Hole: Hey, remember when I told ya that Tyler Technologies (a Third Party Contractor for the NYSP doing Background Checks) could be hacked and Data spilled?

Ya know .... I thought about the whole Sullivan shit and said to myself "Wait a second .... the Sullivan shit is for easily concealed guns. ie - handguns so what the hell does that have to do with LONG GUNS?" Why are we still sitting around accepting this shit? Seriously ... unless we show we are NOT going to put up with this crap, NOTHING will change! I remember the whole protest of the unsafe act and how SOMEONE put a massive wedge in the gun owner community that ended the momentum we had going. I still tell that guy what I think of him when I see him and he now walks the other way when he sees me. Anyways, if NY and other states are NOT going to follow the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence, then those states should be removed from the republic and NOT allowed ANY federal funding since they want to be communist countries. I'll gladly run for governor and I WILL ban any and all democraps since the DNCCC is a terrorist organization! Any and ALL illegals. Any and ALL laws that infringe on or take away our God given rights which a govt cannot fuck with! I'm pissed again. Where's the Doc?? I need some friggin xanax or something!! LMFAO!! SO glad I am back!!

 

[Saltwater60]

Ya know .... I thought about the whole Sullivan shit and said to myself "Wait a second .... the Sullivan shit is for easily concealed guns. ie - handguns so what the hell does that have to do with LONG GUNS?" Why are we still sitting around accepting this shit? Seriously ... unless we show we are NOT going to put up with this crap, NOTHING will change! I remember the whole protest of the unsafe act and how SOMEONE put a massive wedge in the gun owner community that ended the momentum we had going. I still tell that guy what I think of him when I see him and he now walks the other way when he sees me. Anyways, if NY and other states are NOT going to follow the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence, then those states should be removed from the republic and NOT allowed ANY federal funding since they want to be communist countries. I'll gladly run for governor and I WILL ban any and all democraps since the DNCCC is a terrorist organization! Any and ALL illegals. Any and ALL laws that infringe on or take away our God given rights which a govt cannot fuck with! I'm pissed again. Where's the Doc?? I need some friggin xanax or something!! LMFAO!! SO glad I am back!!

Wow Xanax, now the popo is coming for your guns.

 

[FP1201]

Ya know .... I thought about the whole Sullivan shit and said to myself "Wait a second .... the Sullivan shit is for easily concealed guns. ie - handguns so what the hell does that have to do with LONG GUNS?" Why are we still sitting around accepting this shit? Seriously ... unless we show we are NOT going to put up with this crap, NOTHING will change! I remember the whole protest of the unsafe act and how SOMEONE put a massive wedge in the gun owner community that ended the momentum we had going. I still tell that guy what I think of him when I see him and he now walks the other way when he sees me. Anyways, if NY and other states are NOT going to follow the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence, then those states should be removed from the republic and NOT allowed ANY federal funding since they want to be communist countries. I'll gladly run for governor and I WILL ban any and all democraps since the DNCCC is a terrorist organization! Any and ALL illegals. Any and ALL laws that infringe on or take away our God given rights which a govt cannot fuck with! I'm pissed again. Where's the Doc?? I need some friggin xanax or something!! LMFAO!! SO glad I am back!!

Know what: I bought three Busses to send people to that Rally in Albany, the one that had by all estimated over ten thousand attendees did precisely Jack Shit! What you have to understand, (and one of the best ways to really find out is to sit down and talk to a State Senator or Assemblyperson with "R" after their name) is the Democrat Control over all three levers of power in Albany. Most are from downstate and NYC where they have numbers great enough to overwhelm the rest of the State in representation, and frankly they don't give a fuck about a bunch of hicks-from-the-sticks tearing up the Lawn, besides the fact that they weren't even in their Offices! Show me any Gun Laws that were repealed by Protest...At this point, all we have are Elections history has shown the Gun owning community (commonly classified as "Hunters") are the ones that bitch the most and vote the least!
As far as the Constitution and Bill of Rights, including the State's own Constitution, the "Democracy" that primarily consists of Democrats does not observe those Documents unless they're exploited to serve as a means to their goals, even then they'll pass all sorts of questionable Laws with the Courts being the final arbitrator...Look at the CCIA and how we're having to argue it piecemeal, same with the SAFE Act, same with Sullivan and others.
The Albany Swamp is deep, dark, and stinks....one or two pump's ain't gonna drain it, and no matter how much the armchair commando's think it's the solution, we're NOT going to open the "Cartridge Box" and the first dumb fuck that plays that card will get the Bucky Phillips treatment.

 

[S&W Fan]

Good to see ya back man. Too bad it isn’t under better circumstances. We’re all gonna have to face the Fact that this commie shit hole state is lost politically under the socialist demoncrat super majority. You Just have to take a look at prop 1 on the election ballot to see the direction that they are steering the state to.

 

[ManualF150]

The day I can walk into my LGS, and buy a gun without needing to jump through hoops, and pay cash and walk out, will be the day that we've all been waiting for.

It sure is nice dreaming.

 

[togmaster]

Nice to have a conversation about guns on a "gun forum" again. Welcome back CS.

 

[FP1201]

That's very possible since I have been off of here for awhile. What I posted was explained today at the state police academy. They specifically said that NJ is doing their BGC's so I'll take it that is indeed where they are performed. ATF was there a well. When I was a manager of a gun store, we were told by NYSP kalifornia was doing the BGC's and when we called to ask for guidance before it went into effect, we had to contact a company in kalifornia. Texas? A Texas company makes sense since Texas is a blue state itself. Even though I may be a year late, I'm still PO'ed and was never informed of any of that even when in the industry. We were lied to by the NYSP then. (although those 33 morons in a room doing the BGC's have nothing to do with the NYSP ... another lie to the people) Thank you for the info. How has that Sullivan decision held up in any court? I again will ask .... where are all of the supposed gun rights groups??

Scuttlebutt from a NYSP Sargent who is a close friend indicated a year ago they were supposed to hire 60 people to work the BGC Center; to what capacity and extent, we can only guess, which might be why Tyler Tech was brought in to run checks, and AFAIK any requiring "further review" are flipped to the SP for determination (if any, but that's another endless loop)
As far as the Sullivan Act which is absolutely required to have a Handgun (civilians) it too requires 100% identification of firearm and registration; the only successful blows to the Act came from the SCOTUS Lawsuit brought by NYSRPA (the people so many here hate) and the outcome of it for New Yorker's was good, until the Three cunts in a room cooked up and passed without public input or disclosure, the CCIA. The SCOTUS ruling IS being successfully applied in many other States and Cases.
I belong to NYSRPA, SCOPE, GOA, The NRA, and a few Clubs: there are always actions going on, cases being built, assistance with Legal actions against members/owners, ALL have Cases pending, so just because you don't hear about it in the Local News or see it on facebook DOES NOT MEAN there's nothing going on. I strongly suggest inquiring individually with any or all of these Associations to see what you can get behind and do so, even if it's only sending $25. to help out.
Biggest thing WE can do right now at this moment is vote in all our current elections for Republicans/Conservatives: a Power shift of just one, puts the brakes on all three.

 

[Pissed Off Patriot]

According to the NYS NICS person today, who is NOT law enforcement of any kind, when asked if NY has indeed started an illegal gun registry, his answer was "It exists but it is legal in NY." So .... anyone else ready to sue the shit outta this anti-American state and ALL democrap poilticians yet?? Where are all of these supposed gun groups protecting the citizens?? Huh?? Where are they? Nowhere that's where. This is 100% BULLSHIT!! This came from the ATF/NYNICS meeting today. NY's NICS are done in NJ BTW and not in NY. NY can't afford to enforce this unconstitutional horseshit so they have other states doing the work for them. NYS is NOT charged for doing a NICS BGC either ... but YOU ARE!! The charge for the BGC is just another ILLEGAL tax!!! When the guy from NYNICS was asked what they were going to do with the registry he has no clue what to answer other than "We may dump the info after a year or so." Right ......

Why do you think I left this dump of a state?

 

[nortatoga]

Lets just ignore Federal Law....

18 U.S.C. § 926 - U.S. Code - Unannotated Title 18. Crimes and Criminal Procedure § 926. Rules and regulations​

https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-18-crimes-and-criminal-procedure/18-usc-sect-926/

(3) regulations providing for effective receipt and secure storage of firearms relinquished by or seized from persons described in subsection (d)(8) or (g)(8) of section 922.
No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners' Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's  1 authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.

 

[FP1201]

Lets just ignore Federal Law....

18 U.S.C. § 926 - U.S. Code - Unannotated Title 18. Crimes and Criminal Procedure § 926. Rules and regulations​

https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-18-crimes-and-criminal-procedure/18-usc-sect-926/

(3) regulations providing for effective receipt and secure storage of firearms relinquished by or seized from persons described in subsection (d)(8) or (g)(8) of section 922.
No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners' Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's  1 authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.

Not slighting or being dismissive here: For any sort of Lawsuit against the Law to go forward, there has to be someone "harmed" in order to have Standing (Where have we experienced that before?) you literally have to have a Body, you have to have someone willing and able to run the gauntlet, Financial backing (lots of it) and of Course Attorneys, as well as Associations/Organizations for logistical support and most importantly; TIME. We can petition our Elected Representatives (after all, that's why we elect them) to bring forth, repeal, or modify existing Laws, and while it really only takes one person to bring that forward, it's up to the Speaker of the House as to whether it will be heard and before that happens, it has to have a lot of Sponsors and support...behind the scenes, you have Staffers, Lawyers, Interns, etc. actually writing the action to be considered, ostensibly researching it for Constitutional legality, actually studying it for flaws and consequences intended and not, then there's the actuality of it going anywhere: Do you remember the "Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act" or perhaps the "Hearing Protection Act"? Great ideas, and Republicans even held majority: Result = 0
I hope and pray this incoming administration actually does something restorative to the Gun owners and overreaching States, especially considering the effort behind getting these Folks into Office.

 

[Grimscale]

No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners' Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records,

All this tells me is that it isn't REQUIRED.

Nothing in this tells me that NY isn't ALLOWED to. And we all know how much NY likes to "register" stuff.

 

[Zerex]

The easiest way to determine just who the Mad Men of Maga are located................ is to start a registry of known NON GUN OWNERS................

Wheat from the chaff............mark the ENTIRE upstate RED, outside of the cities.

 

[prambo]

Different governor, but the same mindset remains and, IMHO, will never diminish in NYS. There are just too many Demonrats, and the % of DemonRats keeps increasing as many Repubs/Consevatives "Exit Stage Right".

I'll have to echo @MothMan - "Born here, live here, dying here."

 

[FP1201]

All this tells me is that it isn't REQUIRED.

Nothing in this tells me that NY isn't ALLOWED to. And we all know how much NY likes to "register" stuff.

FOPA is a Federal Statute, one the States are supposed to observe and honor, but just ask anyone from outside NYS/NYC how it worked out for them with handgun charges...Tangentially, NY is the one State that would totally throw a wrench into National Reciprocity for CCW Licensees.
NY is all about its own "States Rights" until it comes to Federal funds, then it'll suck Uncle Sam's dick for a buck.