NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)

[Blackjack]

I have not used or looked for a similar business in New York, but many of the nicer indoor ranges (and in the South Outdoor Ranges) offer secure climate controlled personal gun storage lockers for short or long term storage. I have seen them in most every state I searched and prices for a decent size locker vary from 15 dollars to 30 dollars a month (the ranges at the 30 rate are really upscale with a lush bar and a nice restaurant for club members). The link is for one I have neither visited or used. I think it is wise for any number of reasons or conveniences to diversify and avoid keeping your eggs (be they stocks, valuables, firearms, etc) in one basket.

Gun Storage

Store your guns in our secure firearm storage facility. We offer short and long term gun storage in our climate controlled, and monitored gun locker room.

www.maxonshooters.com

A lot of the small local guys are super helpful. Make an appt with one, order ammo, gun.. talk some shit ask them about storage if needed.

How about coregistered? All mine are on permits of two family members. Vice versa with theirs. I have to carry 2 permits to list them all but if anything ever happened to me they know to get them ASAP.

 

[John Stark]

Sorry, too late for that.

I always said I won't flee my home, but I have no choice. I now have to try to convince my wife and her parents why we need to leave NY.
I can't afford the constant financial demands being imposed on my Rights, and there's no way in hell I'm going to tell them what social media I might be using (if any). Doing so would be tantamount to an egregious infringement of the 4th Amendment, as well as chilling my free speech Rights under the 1st Amendment.

I haven't had the chance to develop that kind of relationship with an FFL. So I am asking for recommendations on who I can get to hold them until I find a way to get them out of NY.
It's too bad. I just got a new 1911 9mm. I might get a few chances to play with it before I lose my Rights.

once this hammer drops who can we all contact to start the lawsuits?

Its a damn shame when anyone says they are leaving NY because of the bullshit. I'm sorry to hear you feel you are in this position now.

I don't blame anyone for leaving this shithole. NY is teetering on third world nation status. As many have said many times on this forum, this state is not worth supporting any longer.

If you do leave the state or start a plan towards that effect, I wish you and your entire family the very best of luck and God's blessings.

 

[Cavalry]

If you don’t recertify and let your permit expire and NY revokes it, did they change the law to make you a prohibited person from owning firearms? The safe act didn’t as far as I can tell .

The safe act had language that if your permit is taken away you lose your rights to long guns as well in the state. I do not believe this prohibited you federally via NICS. I will have to reread the new law, I am sure they put it in there somewhere that they will report you federally for any permit loss reason. Why wouldn't they?

 

[Cooolone]

Well... I'm simply going to withhold any portion of my taxes that would be applied to enforcing these laws!

We can legally do the same for Union Dues, then why can't we with the garbage State budget that will earmark compliance efforts monies?

Tea Party anyone? Lmao!

Gonna be such a rocky road until I vacate this ridiculous State, counting the days...


Edit to add:

Again though, the enforcement of these laws is a real stretch. Looks great on paper! Just remember to break only ONE law at a time.

For strictly enforcing these laws, they'll never see the inside of a court room!

You can't be stopped for the sole purpose of suspicion of armed. Probable cause is still the threshold for search! Etc... Etc...

NOTHING has changed!

Fuck NY!

 

[gunpoliticsny]

I started a fundraiser on Facebook for SAF for future legal action.

If not allowed here please delete.

 

[whatupbo]

The safe act had language that if your permit is taken away you lose your rights to long guns as well in the state. I do not believe this prohibited you federally via NICS. I will have to reread the new law, I am sure they put it in there somewhere that they will report you federally for any permit loss reason. Why wouldn't they?

My understanding of the safe act was if your permit was revoked you lost your handguns but you also forfeited any rifles or shotguns that you currently owned. But that didn’t stop you from going out and purchasing other long guns right after.
See, this is the thing. If I decide I’m not going to put up with this and move my guns to a storage unit out of state and they revoke my permit , I don’t wanna be a prohibited person from that point on

 

[redtail]

I started a fundraiser on Facebook for SAF for future legal action.

If not allowed here please delete.

Minimum donation is only $15 @ yr. With SAF.
FPC is only $30.

How much is challenging bully tyrants worth to you ?

 

[FRB]

I dont know @GOPerfect any further than what is posted here. I would say hes eager to get a full reboot of the system by whatever means are necessary to get there.

yeppers that be it!

 

[FRB]

NY Senate OKs bill barring guns in Times Square, requiring social media info for permit

Albany is set to pass sweeping legislation that would ban concealed weapons from “sensitive locations” while requiring gun permit applicants to show their social media accounts.

nypost.com

New York approves gun law requiring buyers to provide social media handles

New York passed a new gun bill Friday after the Supreme Court ruled last week that most residents have a constitutional right to obtain a concealed carry permit.

www.foxnews.com

Posting these links so it doesn't seem like my comments have no context.

Several years ago when they passed the 5 year recert for "life time" handgun licenses, caterwauling on the old forum prompted me to suggest that maybe everyone should stop being so servile and refuse to do the recert. The caterwauling got worse and everyone had their excuse as to why they had to keep a firm grip on their permission slip from NY so they could keep exercising their privilege.

I have repeatedly maintained since UnSafe that NY will never stop until guns are defacto banned in this state or so hard to obtain that its not worth jumping through the hoops, and that bending over for UnSafe and the 5 year recert was nothing more than a signal to Albany and NYC to PUSH HARDER, confirming to them the hand of weakness that gun owners in this stithole have shown for decades upon decades.

This is blantant Tyranny, and yet what we get are pages and pages of the same bullshit we had when UnSafe was enacted and later the 5 year recert.

"What does it mean?"

"How can I comply"

"How much will this cost me now?"

"Glad I deleted all of my social media!"

"Are there any loopholes we can exploit?"

WTF?

Anyone read their Shakespeare? "Thus conscience does make cowards of us all"

NY gun owners have tried to be conscientious and law abiding, and it has turned them all into servile cowards, and only emboldened NY political scum to Infringe even harder! At what freaking point do we collectively say ENOUGH???

The entire reason these new laws are enacted and will be enforced is because NYers are cucks who keep complying!

Throw that permission slip in the garbage! Refuse to comply with this bullshit! Organize and tell NY to back the fuck off!

Gird you loins like men and tell NY to go to hell!

I am with John 100% - I would march on Albany if we had enough of us!

 

[FRB]

Until you are recorded on camera doing just that.

Does not matter, like the scum bucket caught on camera defacing MTG's signs outside her office. Nothing happened to him. Goose gander principle no?

 

[livingston]

California Defying Supreme Court Carry Permit Decision & Targets Gun Owners!!!​

In this video I break down the recent efforts by California to circumvent the Supreme Courts ruling in NYSRPA v. Bruen and also the recent California DOJ actions releasing private information!

 

[FRB]

It would have to be cloud storage, which is expensive. Even compressed, 2yrs worth of video stored in the clouds is easily 100 terabytes. There is no known system that can store 2yrs locally without swapping drives or manually backing up.

Synology Server? Ubiquity Dream Machine?

 

[Defilade]

What are the requirements or hoops to jump thru In order to become a qualified trainer for the new training requirements? Near me is the old Niagara gun range that closed. If I can become an approved trainer and be able to purchase the facility I could start a low cost training center. Might be a good business opportunity

Just stop!

 

[FRB]

once this hammer drops who can we all contact to start the lawsuits?

Jim Ostrowski? I sent him a message earlier asking if he has plans on this.

 

[Truebeliever]

Jim Ostrowski? I sent him a message earlier asking if he has plans on this.

Is he the person involved in SCOTUS case?

 

[redtail]

I bet the Tresmonds are already on it.

 

[Saltwater60]

if anyone gets info on becoming a fire arms instructor with the new criteria send me a message. I’m fully retired military and also fully retired from the DOD in Erie county. It’s the best I can do to help out.

Cool. You’re from my neck of the woods.

 

[turbobike]

Same boat here, "trying" to convince wifie too sell house and property and move. NY is now one party super-majority, and our freedoms are being removed daily. Realistically, my wife is firmly entrenched in NY, she still has the Rosie glasses on and loves the Finger Lakes regional area. I as a 2A advocate, my choices are eat a daily shit-sandwich and see Rights and liberty removed from our NY communities or move as a single man and start over in a free state...as military veteran who has held other vets hands and prayed as they died in my presence...too see their sacrifices in the end mean nothing as we are led to a Chinese style authoritarian government...saddens me.

 

[turbobike]

Same boat here, "trying" to convince wifie too sell house and property and move. NY is now one party super-majority, and our freedoms are being removed daily. Realistically, my wife is firmly entrenched in NY, she still has the Rosie glasses on and loves the Finger Lakes regional area. I as a 2A advocate, my choices are eat a daily shit-sandwich and see Rights and liberty removed from our NY communities or move as a single man and start over in a free state...as military veteran who has held other vets hands and prayed as they died in my presence...too see their sacrifices in the end mean nothing as we are led to a Chinese style authoritarian government...saddens me.

 

[Saltwater60]

A lot of the small local guys are super helpful. Make an appt with one, order ammo, gun.. talk some shit ask them about storage if needed.

How about coregistered? All mine are on permits of two family members. Vice versa with theirs. I have to carry 2 permits to list them all but if anything ever happened to me they know to get them ASAP.

I’d ask a lawyer that if one of you get in a bind since they are all shared on permits of now they all get confiscated. I’ll bet the anwser to that is yes, just a thought and that’s the way the law reads to me. Maybe you could get away with it by having them at your house in a safe combination that they don’t know, but does having them on a shared permit make them accessible to other family members??

 

[Cavalry]

I realize Thomas cant comment on "political" things like this, but what I wouldn't do to kick back a few beers with the man and hear what he has to say off the record.

 

[Steal2B]

I’d ask a lawyer that if one of you get in a bind since they are all shared on permits of now they all get confiscated. I’ll bet the anwser to that is yes, just a thought and that’s the way the law reads to me. Maybe you could get away with it by having them at your house in a safe combination that they don’t know, but does having them on a shared permit make them accessible to other family members??

The answer is neither yes or no (or is it either yes or no). There are judges who have ordered that the firearms are restricted from access to the involved permit holder in one case but had them removed from the premises in another case.

Full disclosure, I am not sharing my opinion here, but I'm summarizing what lawyers explained hypothetically to me.

 

[livingston]

I ran across this in my readings
Perhaps a comment folks
rah
July 2, 2022 3:18 am


Someone should act immediatly and file for an immediate injunction since this is quite clearly in direct violation to the recent SCOTUS ruling concerning states using subjective criteria to determine who has the right to possess or carry.



LeftTheGOP
July 2, 2022 12:48 pm


NY Republicans could ask SCOTUS for a permanent injuction, but the “Wise Latina” is assigned the NY circuit and I doubt she would grant relief.

New York State New Gun Laws Include, People applying for a gun license will have to turn over a list of their social media accounts for officials to verify their “character & conduct” - The Last Refuge

New York Governor Kathy Hochul called a special session of the state legislature after the Supreme Court knocked down their firearm restrictions. The new law, which passed both chambers of democrat-controlled government, takes effect Sept 1st and is unlikely to hold up once challenged in court...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[Saltwater60]

I ran across this in my readings
Perhaps a comment folks
rah
July 2, 2022 3:18 am


Someone should act immediatly and file for an immediate injunction since this is quite clearly in direct violation to the recent SCOTUS ruling concerning states using subjective criteria to determine who has the right to possess or carry.



LeftTheGOP
July 2, 2022 12:48 pm


NY Republicans could ask SCOTUS for a permanent injuction, but the “Wise Latina” is assigned the NY circuit and I doubt she would grant relief.

New York State New Gun Laws Include, People applying for a gun license will have to turn over a list of their social media accounts for officials to verify their “character & conduct” - The Last Refuge

New York Governor Kathy Hochul called a special session of the state legislature after the Supreme Court knocked down their firearm restrictions. The new law, which passed both chambers of democrat-controlled government, takes effect Sept 1st and is unlikely to hold up once challenged in court...

theconservativetreehouse.com

I suspect there will be an injunction filed very soon. I expect it will be granted and nearly everything will be held up or stayed. Then most will be thrown out in court. The upgraded training requirements maybe kept, but that’s largely about it. Maybe the body armor ban and a few of the sensitive places will also be kept.

 

[US RIFLE M1A]

if anyone gets info on becoming a fire arms instructor with the new criteria send me a message. I’m fully retired military and also fully retired from the DOD in Erie county. It’s the best I can do to help out.

As it stands now, DCJS will only allow already certified instructors to teach this new stuff. So already very busy trainers will have to expand their operations. I cannot imagine how that would work.

 

[fresch]

Remember back in 1776 when we had to have our own weapons and know how to use them?
I'm just glad some halfass politician is on this, we are all more safferer now! (Yes a new word, just trying it out).

 

[BuffNiag]

NY Senate OKs bill barring guns in Times Square, requiring social media info for permit

Albany is set to pass sweeping legislation that would ban concealed weapons from “sensitive locations” while requiring gun permit applicants to show their social media accounts.

nypost.com

“This to me is the embodiment of what it means to be an American. In honor of our Fourth of July weekend, I look forward to signing the legislation as soon as it’s finished,”

She must be referring to Fourth of July in China?

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

Me and the wife both have roots and family here. We always pitched goin south. Now we are focused on New Hampshire as a possibility. That way we can jump in the car and drive to see family in one day.

 

[spat]

The question that people don't seem to ask is, how are they going to prove you lock your guns up, let alone have proper safes? Are they going to come inspect your house? Is that now a condition for a permit on top of all the new requirements?

Like I said in a previous post, now is the time to have a backup plan, whether it is a means to move guns out of state, or hiding them off your property. If these laws stick I can see a LOT of people losing their permits and even long guns. These were purposely designed to create failure and make criminals out of us.

In some counties they require this before you can have more than 5 guns.

That precedent has sailed.

 

[livingston]

In some counties they require this before you can have more than 5 guns.

That precedent has sailed.

I believe folks in Westchester County have said that an officer will come into the house to look at the safe but not require it to be opened.