NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)

[Saltwater60]

This article headline losses me off. Hochul does this to preserve some limits?? Really some limits as if she didn’t do this anyone and everyone would be able to carry a gun.

NY overhauls handgun rules in effort to preserve some limits

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — New York lawmakers approved a sweeping overhaul Friday of the state’s handgun licensing rules, seeking to preserve some limits on firearms after the Supreme Court ruled that mos…

www.wivb.com

Also this from the article.

NYS Republican Chairman Nick Langworthy said members of his party will file a lawsuit over the law as soon as next week.

“New Yorkers’ constitutional freedoms were just trampled on,” Langworthy said.

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

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In my defense I have lingered here since the unSAFE act. I was one of those that was paranoid about the gov monitoring these things. Now I just don't care.

 

[Cavalry]

In my defense I have lingered here since the unSAFE act. I was one of those that was paranoid about the gov monitoring these things. Now I just don't care.

The safe act was enacted Jan 2013, this site originated about Sep 2016 and took a month or two to take off. So, no, you have not been lingering here since the safe act was signed into law

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

The safe act was enacted Jan 2013, this site originated about Sep 2016 and took a month or two to take off. So, no, you have not been lingering here since the safe act was signed into law

Oooops

 

[Saltwater60]

In my defense I have lingered here since the unSAFE act. I was one of those that was paranoid about the gov monitoring these things. Now I just don't care.

Now that they have a law saying they can monitor your social media you don’t care now? I’m not sure that makes sense.

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

The safe act was enacted Jan 2013, this site originated about Sep 2016 and took a month or two to take off. So, no, you have not been lingering here since the safe act was signed into law

Sorry, there are 2 sites...nygunforum and nyfirearms, I meant the later

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

Now that they have a law saying they can monitor your social media you don’t care now? I’m not sure that makes sense.

Nope . Plan is in motion to bounce. We tried our best all these years.

 

[GTN]

So all this shit starts Sept 1st?
Time to stick all our money into ammo and small very concealable handguns in case you wander into a forbidden zone.

 

[Deplorable Me]

So if I rent, can a landlord prevent a person from owning and carrying in the rental? If I'm visiting a gun friendly relative or friend in their rental can the landlord prevent me legally from carrying into that rental?

 

[That_FNG]

So if I rent, can a landlord prevent a person from owning and carrying in the rental? If I'm visiting a gun friendly relative or friend in their rental can the landlord prevent me legally from carrying into that rental?

From what I recall their was a Lawsuit regarding public housing saying that tenants could not have guns in their units as they had a gun free requirement. The court ruled in favor of the tenants and said they had a right to their 2nd amendment rights.

Edit I found one of the court cases that was settled in federal district court. This was in East at Louis which is a different federal district so I am unsure how it applies to NYS

Federal court overturns gun bans in Public Housing | Affordable Housing Online News

A federal District Court judge recently ruled that banning the lawful possession of firearms by Public Housing residents is unconstitutional. In a case brought against the East St. Louis Housing Authority (ESLHA), a Public Housing resident claimed that ESLHA’s restriction against tenants having...

affordablehousingonline.com

 

[BerettaGuy]

Feeling infringed yet?

 

[byron]

The training requirement is going to be upheld. That’s okay reading ftom the concurring opinion.
It’s most of the other stuff that won’t survive a court challenge.

it may not hold up it says Applicant not ongoing training. Most all county's require training now before you can apply and most permit holders have taken extra training this would be a huge burden for a lot of rural areas no ranges near by and the expense for the poor.

By contrast, 43 States employ objective shall-issue licensing regimes. Those shall-issue regimes may require a license applicant to undergo fingerprinting, a background check, a mental health records check, and training in firearms handling and in laws regarding the use of force, among other possible requirements.

 

[Truebeliever]

They have over 50 million hours of training to accomplish for current holders with a handful of instructors.

I wouldn’t hold my breath on any type of training. At the moment it is impossible.

Many of us already have the training . Armed security guards already have it. I hope they count my police training . And I believe they already except military training to have met the requirements

 

[Truebeliever]

Now that they have a law saying they can monitor your social media you don’t care now? I’m not sure that makes sense.

That one will get thrown out

 

[Deplorable Me]

Feeling infringed yet?

A lot of vague locations there, then again she's a vaguegina.

 

[Glock_USA]

I haven't been here in a few days, too busy with work and 4th of July "sales". But a few things, the training is for new applicants as well as those that have to renew. The bill says something along the lines of "shall be rectified or renewed in the same manor" as applying for the original license. That may or may not also include the in person meeting with the judge, which will prob take a year to get. Also says if you got your license more than 3 years ago, you have to renew within 1 year.

My thoughts are what about all of the elites in NYC? Those who were able to get permits under the old standard. Now none of them can carry anywhere either. Oops!!

Also heard that this may need to go back to SCOTUS for them to define what a sensitive area is. You cant make everywhere sensitive. My feelings are if its sensitive then you should have to provide police for protection and wand everyone down. Otherwise ill protect myself.

 

[Glock_USA]

Oh and we cant carry at a restaurant either anymore? Every place other than maybe a diner or something has a liquor license. 95% of all restaurants I bet. So I guess im not going out to dinner anymore or taking uber. Assholes. All we can hope for is legal challenges and maybe the law will be paused while it is going through the courts. A lot will be upheld though. Other states have no carry at bars and churches and require some sort of training. I want to puke.

 

[Glock_USA]

Source?

Source is the lawmakers. Read the bill. Its an E felony.

 

[GOPerfect]

NY Governor to require 3 years of social media history for gun carry permit

Applicants must also have 16 hours of firearm training, provide four character references, and list the contact information for any domestic partners or adults of any kind they live with.

thepostmillennial.com

 

[GreggWNY]

Hello everyone. Never realized this forum existed and I thank you for allowing me to post.
How much control will individual counties be able to exert over these over zealous laws? I’m from Cattaraugus County which I consider a 2nd Amendment friendly county.

 

[Cavalry]

NY Governor to require 3 years of social media history for gun carry permit

Applicants must also have 16 hours of firearm training, provide four character references, and list the contact information for any domestic partners or adults of any kind they live with.

thepostmillennial.com

The article is wordsmithing to what the law actually says.
(iv) a list of former and current social media accounts of the applicant from the past three years to confirm the information regarding the applicants character and conduct as required in subparagraph (ii) of this paragraph

First off there is no definition of social media. It could literally be any communication with a group online of any type. What are they looking for? They probably dont even know.
I don't agree with any of it but really it proves nothing. It says list of accounts, not access. Here is my Faceplace, we are not friends look at my pretty picture and my name, fuck off. Here is my twatter, good thing I already went through and deleted anything that might raise suspicion.
75%+ of social media uses handles not your real name. How are they even going to check up on this? There is no way a human will be able to sift through 10's of thousands of posts and pictures the average 20-something has online. How much is the AI going to cost and where is the money coming from to do the job?

 

[Cavalry]

Hello everyone. Never realized this forum existed and I thank you for allowing me to post.
How much control will individual counties be able to exert over these over zealous laws? I’m from Cattaraugus County which I consider a 2nd Amendment friendly county.

What part? This thing has so many tentacles in so many different directions.
If you are talking about actual laws that you may be breaking, The best your going to get is a Sheriff that has a policy of not enforcing it or only enforcing it when there is an accompanying crime. The problem being NYSP has a presence in every county.

 

[GreggWNY]

What part? This thing has so many tentacles in so many different directions.
If you are talking about actual laws that you may be breaking, The best your going to get is a Sheriff that has a policy of not enforcing it or only enforcing it when there is an accompanying crime. The problem being NYSP has a presence in every county.

As much as it pains me, I plan on adhering 100% to the law until the courts intercede and hopefully reverse some of this insanity.

 

[Blackjack]

Many of us already have the training . Armed security guards already have it. I hope they count my police training . And I believe they already except military training to have met the requirements

I see the military, didn’t see security guards. They both should be the same as Leo.

 

[Apeman]

Every time these idiots pass laws I think they can't get any dumber. Then they one up themselves.

Live fire training - in a state that won't let you touch a handgun without a permit. Wonder how that works?

 

[Dr. Evil]

I wish these politicians could be personally held liable for this bullshit. I’d love to see them behind bars for this tyranny.

Just behind bars?

 

[Truebeliever]

I see the military, didn’t see security guards. They both should be the same as Leo.

The military exception is actually written in the law. The security guys are already required to take something like a 47 hour course with eight hour refreshers.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Every time these idiots pass laws I think they can't get any dumber. Then they one up themselves.

Live fire training - in a state that won't let you touch a handgun without a permit. Wonder how that works?

They've done it for years on the West Side of Buffalo. All that practice and not one permit acquired.

 

[Saltwater60]

Feeling infringed yet?

I told my church about it and they said but we want you here carrying and then asked if there was a way they could still make it happen with permission and labeling is security guards. I said no I think you need to have a license.

 

[Saltwater60]

Oh and we cant carry at a restaurant either anymore? Every place other than maybe a diner or something has a liquor license. 95% of all restaurants I bet. So I guess im not going out to dinner anymore or taking uber. Assholes. All we can hope for is legal challenges and maybe the law will be paused while it is going through the courts. A lot will be upheld though. Other states have no carry at bars and churches and require some sort of training. I want to puke.

You add to that all private property unless there is a sign saying it’s ok. Maybe not homes, but for certain all private businesses.