Off Duty Cop Attempts to Arrest Man for Littering?

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what was the 911 call? That these two were threatening people. What did this detective ask them basically before he lost his cool? What is your side of the story? Then came the insults and attempts by the auditors to control the scene. The detective should had them put them on the car and controlled the situation at that point. Yes, we are supposed to do that in that situation- threats of violence, outnumbered, and they are uncooperative the officer until he knows what is going on

He was not being beaten up, he saw no one being assaulted. He should have come in much more level headed. You actually think the way he handled this call was appropriate? Not what he could have done, what he actually did. The other two officers stayed very calm and level headed.

It really amazes me how much you stick up for all of these officers. Seriously dude, tells me so much about you and your character.

This will be my last reply in this thread. You simply do not get it. Not at all.

 

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He was not being beaten up, he saw no one being assaulted. He should have come in much more level headed. You actually think the way he handled this call was appropriate? Not what he could have done, what he actually did. The other two officers stayed very calm and level headed.

It really amazes me how much you stick up for all of these officers. Seriously dude, tells me so much about you and your character.

This will be my last reply in this thread. You simply do not get it. Not at all.

He did by asking them what is their story. He got hooked when they talked back. He should put them on the car until he found out what was going on. That simple. He doesn’t know what they did yet but know they are not the caller, they were involved, reasonable suspicion of a violent crime . They should had their hands put on the car.

I get it. And I said they hooked him and should have used his legal alternatives. What you aren’t getting is how he should have handled it.
I have of your experience. Is your experience where you cover a place where people come into your environment or you go into theirs?

I have worked for one than one department and assignments. and have different LE experience as a result in addition to higher education. Different departments where it was a move up in pay and/or working conditions) . I have worked roles in departments that were rural, inner city and suburban in different roles and they had different ways of doing things. From where everyone had a rifle or shotgun in the back of the pickup, to where it was next to impossible for someone to get a full conceal permit . You say you use your discretion often, so do most cops . Everyone had their thing. Do you catch speeders at work, then speed home? Does your department even do speeding tickets? I don’t write them. How many “ good people “ know were in violation — how can I say this without getting in legal trouble myself— were carrying a gun in violation of the permit conditions? Or how breaks I have given in some things to a CCW ( not gun related) because I didn’t want them to have an issue when they renewed or didn’t tell the pistol section about it?
But as a cop , you should know, when it comes to a subject of a preliminary investigation , you control the scene . Their filming rights are secondary as subjects of that investigation as opposed to witnesses or just wanting to record . Yes, the detective let his emotions get away and that was the auditor’s goal. Take control of the scene, let them talk all they want but take control. Do you think they would comply with that lawful order ? If they did, great. If they didn’t… the officer had recourse.
Now why do I explain this ?
To keep the people who are on this forum to know the limits and not get into trouble . Not all cops are as well versed as others. If they come upon a cop who knows what they are doing , they will get screwed.

 

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When I bought my house in Buffalo in 1989, the projects were all boarded up and empty. The city had plans on knocking them down and replacing them with small single family HUD homes. The HUD initiative worked pretty well in other areas of the city. Since the residents owned them, they tended to keep them in relatively decent condition. But then, the city completely rebuilt the projects. I mean completely. The only thing not rebuilt was the brick shell. Otherwise, all new plumbing, electric, doors, windows, heating, cooling, drywall, flooring, lighting, stairs, I mean EVERYTHING. Then, they repopulated them with the same type of scum that previously lived in them, and Voila' ! a couple weeks later they were in the same shithole condition as they were before they boarded them up. Crime skyrocketed.

The street I lived on was once part of a German and Polish population, where every house was maintained meticulously. Lawns no matter how small were manicured. There was no trash to be found. When I moved it, it was a mixed neighborhood, but didn't feel unsafe. I had no real issues until the projects were once again active. Then people started moving out, which meant more scum moving in. I had a drug house 3 houses away. I constantly had pushers and mules on my street. I started to have complete strangers walk up and sit on my front porch to drink their 40 oz Old English and smoke their dope. Most got removed with a shotgun in my hand and a "Get the fuck out of here and don't ever come back". Home invasions, car break-ins, garages broken into, garbage everywhere, it became a third world country in the span of just a few short years. At first, you could hear gunshots from a distance, obviously coming from the projects. Then they started getting closer. At the end of the block, then a couple houses away.

A week after I finally left, I realized just how bad the area was when I went back to see if the new owner was there. I realized that I had left an item in the garage and wanted to get it if I could. One week. I had been gone one week and when I drove down my street I said to myself " Holy Shit !! I used to live here ?! " You gradually get used to your situation and don't realize how bad it is until you're not in it anymore.

Yes, I went to court on several occasions for running a red light so I didn't become the next carjacking victim or the next gang initiation killing. Every time I presented the judge with the crime stats for that intersection and the circumstances of my running the light, the ticket was dismissed.