Off-duty police officers banned from carrying firearms at New York State Fair

[Truebeliever]

So you're saying the off duty cop is a target simply because he's a cop. And every person knows that HOW ? They must have a giant neon sign with an arrow pointing at them at all times, that says "I'm a cop !" I call bullshit. No off duty cop from Binghampton or White Plains going to the State fair is in ANY more danger than any other person going to the fair. You just want to be special and have your special perks. Well, get over yourself. You're no more special than anyone else. Boo dee fucking hoo. As far as I'm concerned, you should have no more "rights" than anyone else, and finally in this ONE circumstance, you don't - and you're crying about it !

Really, you don’t know what you are talking about. It’s the same way cops spot drug addicts , criminals etc. Or drug addicts spot other drug addicts . It’s how people carry themselves. Stance, how they stand and how they look at people around them.
How do you think plainclothes cops get “ made “ ?
Hell, I was in the Dominican Republic with my wife and got “made “ wearing just swim trunks and sunglasses ( which I bought there).
Since I know you won’t believe me here is someone else’s observation

How to spot an off-duty cop. Easy tips through a pig’s eye.

It’s a strange thing, being a cop. You’re never allowed to be completely off duty. I mean literally; it’s written in the rules that we always have a duty to act and are considered on-call all the time, every time.

www.chattanoogapulse.com

Remember that criminals get “ good “ at spotting cops because it’s a part of their life to do so. And it’s the plainclothes or undercover cops they fear the most. It’s a developed skill just as it is to spot a criminal and ex-cons.

 

[99cummins]

I used to work as an engineer tech for an engineering company. My job was to baby sit construction workers to make sure they did their jobs right. One day I saw one of the laborers start laughing to his buddy when I walked by. I asked him what he was laughing at. He told me his boss told the laborers to knock me in a hole and bury me if they got the chance. I worked on that job for over a year with 30 or 40 laborers who would have killed me if they got the chance. I never got any special privileges.

Now I work as a low level bureaucrat. For the last 10 years, I've pissed off between 3 and 5 people a day, every day. I've been threatened several times and had one guy get physical with me. Again, no special privileges.

Sometimes you just have to deal with it. It sucks that the off duty cops can't carry at the fair. But it sucks just as much that good people without badges can't carry either.

My garbage collection job, and now highway job are municipal positions. I was threatened with violence on the garbage truck for not taking garbage that was prohibited and I’ve been threatened on the highway side of the job…by people that live in the same small town as I do. There’s only 7 of us. People already know where you work. Many people know where you live and what you drive and who your spouse is, etc. and if they don’t it wouldn’t be hard to figure out. Add to that I’m also in the fire co and have surely made enemies with some residents there. I understand that these are my choices to work and belong where I do and any risk (which is minimal, people like to run their mouths) that comes with that. I run into people from town in random places regularly so where’s my carry anywhere/anytime permission slip?

 

[Bustedknees]

Was I not supposed to carry the last three times I went to the fair?

 

[spat]

Really, you don’t know what you are talking about. It’s the same way cops spot drug addicts , criminals etc. Or drug addicts spot other drug addicts . It’s how people carry themselves. Stance, how they stand and how they look at people around them.
How do you think plainclothes cops get “ made “ ?
Hell, I was in the Dominican Republic with my wife and got “made “ wearing just swim trunks and sunglasses ( which I bought there).
Since I know you won’t believe me here is someone else’s observation

How to spot an off-duty cop. Easy tips through a pig’s eye.

It’s a strange thing, being a cop. You’re never allowed to be completely off duty. I mean literally; it’s written in the rules that we always have a duty to act and are considered on-call all the time, every time.

www.chattanoogapulse.com

Remember that criminals get “ good “ at spotting cops because it’s a part of their life to do so. And it’s the plainclothes or undercover cops they fear the most. It’s a developed skill just as it is to spot a criminal and ex-cons.

You make it out like only cops make enemies at work.

Think you're a target because of your profession ? Try being a repo man sometime.

Or how about a pizza delivery guy in the hood ?

You guys really need to get over the "I'm special because of my job" thing.

 

[spat]

Really, you don’t know what you are talking about. It’s the same way cops spot drug addicts , criminals etc. Or drug addicts spot other drug addicts . It’s how people carry themselves. Stance, how they stand and how they look at people around them.
How do you think plainclothes cops get “ made “ ?
Hell, I was in the Dominican Republic with my wife and got “made “ wearing just swim trunks and sunglasses ( which I bought there).
Since I know you won’t believe me here is someone else’s observation

How to spot an off-duty cop. Easy tips through a pig’s eye.

It’s a strange thing, being a cop. You’re never allowed to be completely off duty. I mean literally; it’s written in the rules that we always have a duty to act and are considered on-call all the time, every time.

www.chattanoogapulse.com

Remember that criminals get “ good “ at spotting cops because it’s a part of their life to do so. And it’s the plainclothes or undercover cops they fear the most. It’s a developed skill just as it is to spot a criminal and ex-cons.

So, you're saying anyone who exhibits those signs is at risk, regardless of their profession ?

Maybe they should extend LEOSA to everyone who wears cheap suits then....

 

[Darth]

A lot of big differences in a generalized way. A former LEO is a target for violence just based on his former profession. And often by people he doesn’t know. The attacks former and off duty officers( on their person and/or property) are so common that it doesn’t make the news.
A “ civilian “ might have an issue with a particular individual or group but unless they are famous, aren’t targeted in the same way.
There was an extreme example that I remember where an off duty police officer and his group were robbed at gunpoint. The off duty officer didn’t resist or identify himself . I am not even sure if he had his gun on him. They found his wallet with his ID card. The robber then cut off his finger so quote “ he can’t be a cop no more”.
A police officer’s family was followed home from church and attacked simply because the person hated cops. The cop had no previous police interaction with the attacker.
This is all too common.

This decision is discrimination against officers who are often required to carry off duty

Thankfully in Corrections we never have people that would be upset at my former profession when I retire.



"We deserve the exemptions...if you don't think about it."

 

[Uzi]

Pretty sure even in the worst case scenario, since the off duty leo's are going to carry anyways, nothing will happen if they are "caught", because they're one of "them" on their team. No chance they wouldn't get special treatment and it wouldn't be ignored.

 

[Truebeliever]

You make it out like only cops make enemies at work.

Think you're a target because of your profession ? Try being a repo man sometime.

Or how about a pizza delivery guy in the hood ?

You guys really need to get over the "I'm special because of my job" thing.

I just got “ made” tonight walking into the drug store. The shoplifter just took off running after looking at me and saying “ Oh, sh—“. He didn’t do that to the other people in the store.
Big difference between that and the repo man who only had to worry about the threats that he had an interaction with.
I have to worry about being made by people I don’t even know even-though I have been retired for years.
And yes, there is I’m special because of what I did. There has always been a social contract that even liberals and most anti gun understand that retired cops get to continue to carry.
And their denial of your rights shouldn’t mean you should support the denial of mine. If you said, they should be stripped of the their protective details then that would be more appropriate.
You don’t see me advocating them taking your rights away. You want more of the rights they have taken away I have told many here what hoops to jump thru to get more of your rights back. Do you think stripping me or off duty/retired cops of them is going to help you at all? It’s not. The same people who wanted to defund the police are behind the gun control too.

 

[Truebeliever]

Thankfully in Corrections we never have people that would be upset at my former profession when I retire.



"We deserve the exemptions...if you don't think about it."

Corrections are LEOs. You were included in that assessment.

 

[spat]

I just got “ made” tonight walking into the drug store. The shoplifter just took off running after looking at me and saying “ Oh, sh—“. He didn’t do that to the other people in the store.
Big difference between that and the repo man who only had to worry about the threats that he had an interaction with.
I have to worry about being made by people I don’t even know even-though I have been retired for years.
And yes, there is I’m special because of what I did. There has always been a social contract that even liberals and most anti gun understand that retired cops get to continue to carry.
And their denial of your rights shouldn’t mean you should support the denial of mine. If you said, they should be stripped of the their protective details then that would be more appropriate.
You don’t see me advocating them taking your rights away. You want more of the rights they have taken away I have told many here what hoops to jump thru to get more of your rights back. Do you think stripping me or off duty/retired cops of them is going to help you at all? It’s not. The same people who wanted to defund the police are behind the gun control too.

If you guys weren't the ones enforcing the stripping of my rights, I'd agree with you.

But if I bring my PS90 with me on a visit to NY, the only threat to me will be from cops.

And if you think you have some magic cop smell about you, I don't even know what to say.

 

[kev74]

Corrections are LEOs. You were included in that assessment.

Congratulations @Darth ! You got promoted. You're the man now!

 

[Darth]

Corrections are LEOs. You were included in that assessment.

Not me. I'm not covered with LEOSA. And the face to face contact time with actual criminals vs. citizens being harassed is exponentially more.

 

[Darth]

Congratulations @Darth ! You got promoted. You're the man now!

I do get half off Chipotle.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Good. I don't feel safe around a bunch of armed drunks! This is one of the most NY things I have ever heard of and they got it right by accident (also a NY thing).

 

[Truebeliever]

If you guys weren't the ones enforcing the stripping of my rights, I'd agree with you.

But if I bring my PS90 with me on a visit to NY, the only threat to me will be from cops.

And if you think you have some magic cop smell about you, I don't even know what to say.

And if you are stupid enough to get caught and put the officer in that position to have make that decision, who’s fault is that? Yours.
We can go into this no choice debate again or why should this gun risk his job and freedom for you thing again.
Blame the person who makes the law . Again, you have no idea how many cops don’t put themselves in a position to have make such a decision.
Such a SAFE act or other BS violations would not be hard to find. Just sit outside a range and see/hear what people bring in. No one I know is doing that.
Heck, too many guys brag about what they have at home that it wouldn’t be that hard to get a warrant and an arrest. I haven’t seen the mass arrests yet. And if you do, they are going to bring in the outliners to do it.

 

[Truebeliever]

Not me. I'm not covered with LEOSA. And the face to face contact time with actual criminals vs. citizens being harassed is exponentially more.

If you are corrections, why aren’t you covered. Are you work for the PA corrections system ?

 

[Truebeliever]

If you guys weren't the ones enforcing the stripping of my rights, I'd agree with you.

But if I bring my PS90 with me on a visit to NY, the only threat to me will be from cops.

And if you think you have some magic cop smell about you, I don't even know what to say.

I forgot that how your expressed feelings apply to all cops ( maybe some exceptions) kind of proves my point. You give to cops as a whole instead of the cops who go out of their way to get a SAFE act arrest.

 

[spat]

And if you are stupid enough to get caught and put the officer in that position to have make that decision, who’s fault is that? Yours.
We can go into this no choice debate again or why should this gun risk his job and freedom for you thing again.
Blame the person who makes the law . Again, you have no idea how many cops don’t put themselves in a position to have make such a decision.
Such a SAFE act or other BS violations would not be hard to find. Just sit outside a range and see/hear what people bring in. No one I know is doing that.
Heck, too many guys brag about what they have at home that it wouldn’t be that hard to get a warrant and an arrest. I haven’t seen the mass arrests yet. And if you do, they are going to bring in the outliners to do it.

No, you have that entirely backwards.

Cops are the only reason someone would *need* to try to conceal such a violation.

And the fact that a lot of cops try to ignore the BS when they can is to their credit, but it doesn't change the fact that the profession as a whole is the reason I won't be bringing my PS90 back on a visit.

If there was a blanket statement that "we won't enforce this as a matter of policy", then you'd be off the hook.

But when it's just a few guys trying to do the right thing when there is no overall policy, then a cop can be on the right side of the issue, but cops in general are not.

Why would a guy risk his job and freedom to do the right thing ? I don't know, ask Oscar Schindler.

 

[spat]

I forgot that how your expressed feelings apply to all cops ( maybe some exceptions) kind of proves my point. You give to cops as a whole instead of the cops who go out of their way to get a SAFE act arrest.

There is a great divide between an individual cop and cops in general.

I am sure you don't want people using the example of someone like Zachary Wester to be "all cops", so you can't use the example of some cops who do the right thing in the face of official policy.

For "cops" you need to use the defacto policies.

As you pointed out, most cops aren't going to risk their pension to do the right thing. That doesn't suddenly make them the good guys.

 

[Acer-m14]

Can the Sherriff there stand at the gate and deputize all who have a CCW permit and put them on Volunteer Duty Status during the Fair ... LOL ..

 

[Grimscale]

And if you are stupid enough to get caught and put the officer in that position to have make that decision, who’s fault is that? Yours.

Said EVERY gestapo-like police force ever.
seig heil.

 

[Darth]

If you are corrections, why aren’t you covered. Are you work for the PA corrections system ?

Because I'm not a CO?

 

[holdover]

Stop arguing, We are all on the same side. The law fucking infringes on everyone. End of story. Everyone has (or had) a constitutional right to defend themselves. Its a bullshit law, made by bullshit people. What the state is saying, is that you dont have any right to defend yourself . What should be done is to require all politicians in the state to be disarmed, and not be allowed to have personnel security in public, anywhere anytime no exceptions . they need to lead by example and demonstrate it for others to follow.

They believe in security for themselves but not for others.

At this point in the game , if your following the rules , your an idiot. You do what you have to do, fuck the world.

 

[Celt]

I just got “ made” tonight walking into the drug store. The shoplifter just took off running after looking at me and saying “ Oh, sh—“. He didn’t do that to the other people in the store.
Big difference between that and the repo man who only had to worry about the threats that he had an interaction with.
I have to worry about being made by people I don’t even know even-though I have been retired for years.
And yes, there is I’m special because of what I did. There has always been a social contract that even liberals and most anti gun understand that retired cops get to continue to carry.
And their denial of your rights shouldn’t mean you should support the denial of mine. If you said, they should be stripped of the their protective details then that would be more appropriate.
You don’t see me advocating them taking your rights away. You want more of the rights they have taken away I have told many here what hoops to jump thru to get more of your rights back. Do you think stripping me or off duty/retired cops of them is going to help you at all? It’s not. The same people who wanted to defund the police are behind the gun control too.

You are not any more special that anyone else, you are an Americqn citizen like the rest of us. No one forced you into your career, it was a choice. You dont deserve more rights than anyone else because of your job. Its that "Im special attitude" that is offensive to us "2nd class" citizens.

 

[Paxal]

I kept telling my friends who fall under that infamous LEOSA act, they better by on high alert as the rest of us law abiding citizens... folks they are taking it all away.

State bans off-duty police officers from carrying guns at New York State Fair

Update: New York State will now allow off-duty police officers to carry weapons at the Fair. Click here for more details. NEW YORK STATE FAIRGROUNDS (WSYR-TV) — Off-duty police officers will …

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UPDATE: State amends policy, allowing off-duty cops to carry guns at New York State Fair | Fingerlakes1.com

UPDATE: State amends policy, allowing off-duty cops to carry guns at New York State Fair News

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Set up for a shooting at the fair?

 

[Truebeliever]

No, you have that entirely backwards.

Cops are the only reason someone would *need* to try to conceal such a violation.

And the fact that a lot of cops try to ignore the BS when they can is to their credit, but it doesn't change the fact that the profession as a whole is the reason I won't be bringing my PS90 back on a visit.

If there was a blanket statement that "we won't enforce this as a matter of policy", then you'd be off the hook.

But when it's just a few guys trying to do the right thing when there is no overall policy, then a cop can be on the right side of the issue, but cops in general are not.

Why would a guy risk his job and freedom to do the right thing ? I don't know, ask Oscar Schindler.

You won’t be bringing it back because some politicians made it illegal. Cops can not say publicly they won’t enforce it. Cops can even say publicly they won’t enforce it against other cops either . And such a declaration would have to be made by a political person ( ie a chief, sheriff, police commissioner) who would be removed for saying such a thing. Otherwise, a police union could say it ( same result result of removal) and there still could be one cop among thousands who could still arrest you. For example what happened in New Jersey when a security guard was arrested for having hollowpoints when they found critical defense ammo in his gun. It was announced that the NJ state AG and the state police didn’t consider critical defense to be hollowpoints. The security guard was arrested anyway. (And probably got a civil settlement soon after — but he was still arrested).
Do you think a lot of people feel about marijuana the same way you feel about guns ? And maybe have a more violent reaction to it than you do? Or blame cops for allowing abortion clinics to remain open . Or blame cops because a transgender man can’t use certain bathrooms. Yes, I was told by someone they blame the police for that one too.

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

They should update the laws/rules and change it so every law abiding citizen should be able to legally carry. Then there wouldn’t be an issue, problem solved.

Love it!

Same rules for all. No separate classes.

 

[Truebeliever]

You are not any more special that anyone else, you are an Americqn citizen like the rest of us. No one forced you into your career, it was a choice. You dont deserve more rights than anyone else because of your job. Its that "Im special attitude" that is offensive to us "2nd class" citizens.

Sure, you are offended. Should I be offended that military veterans have more rights than someone who didn’t serve. They are civilians now too right?
Are you offended that they don’t have to take the firearms safety training that civilians do? I doubt it.
That they get their own courts as civilians if they get in trouble with the law in certain jurisdictions in New York.
That there are certain jobs and businesses that only veterans are allowed to do?
Does that offend you too. I doubt it. You would probably say they earned it. Yet these benefits apply to all veterans and not just the ones who saw war.
The national guardman who was activated for the three day mail strike in the 1970s gets the same benefits as someone who did 3 tours in Afghanistan .
I could tell you that none of the cops I know are going to enforce the new law restrictions on permit holder carry, would it make you feel better?

 

[S&W Fan]

And just like that it’s rescinded

24 hours after off-duty officers were told they can’t bring guns to Fair, State clarifies they can

GEDDES, N.Y. (WSYR-TV) — New York State will allow off-duty police officers to carry weapons at the State Fair, as they always were, just 24 hours after they were told they’d no longer …

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