Saltwater60
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This is stupid and beyond stupid. What does it matter. She’s a farm and grows on her own property. Do all grocery stores grow their own produce in orchard park. Sign this petition to help her out.
Need more information. Does it comply with the zoning? I wouldn’t be happy if my next door neighbor started running a retail sales business out of their house.
15 years in business, same location. Over zealous zoning enforcement.Need more information. Does it comply with the zoning? I wouldn’t be happy if my next door neighbor started running a retail sales business out of their house.
I'd be upset if my neighbor put a 20 foot BLM sign in their front yard too, but I don't think I should be able to stop them. How does *I don't want them to do that* become *the government should stop them from doing that* ?Need more information. Does it comply with the zoning? I wouldn’t be happy if my next door neighbor started running a retail sales business out of their house.
I'd be upset if my neighbor put a 20 foot BLM sign in their front yard too, but I don't think I should be able to stop them. How does *I don't want them to do that* become *the government should stop them from doing that* ?
It's their yard, they should be able to do what they want as long as it doesn't spill over into yours.
Ummm, no this is why zoning exists. Where does it end? Asphalt plant? Pig farm?
There is a good chance a 20' BLM sign (or any sign) wouldn't be allowed anyway, depending on the exact location.
I'd be upset if my neighbor put a 20 foot BLM sign in their front yard too, but I don't think I should be able to stop them. How does *I don't want them to do that* become *the government should stop them from doing that* ?
It's their yard, they should be able to do what they want as long as it doesn't spill over into yours.
I can tell you this sign is no longer up.
Anti SAFE Act Sign Case Delayed
A Hamburg judge has recused himself from a case involving a resident charged with having a banner on his fence.www.wgrz.com
All zoning laws are an infringement.Ummm, no this is why zoning exists. Where does it end? Asphalt plant? Pig farm? Our country would look like a third world shithole if we didn't have zoning.
There is a good chance a 20' BLM sign (or any sign) wouldn't be allowed anyway, depending on the exact location.
There are a lot of things in NYS that shouldn't be the way they are.Like it or not that's the whole point of Zoning. In NYS municipalities have wide latitude to decide what can be done in certain zones. They can be as strict or as lenient as they want to be. If you happen to be in a strict zone and the business or activity you want to do is not allowed there are processes you can go through to allow you to do it. If you don't go through that process you're out of luck.
Again, if you want to change zoning you can always petition your Town/Village Board or City Council.
There are a lot of things in NYS that shouldn't be the way they are.
You are correct, Zoning is almost universal in the US.NYS is not the only state that has zoning. In fact most states have zoning authority at some level of government.
It can, but I don't like having to trust the government to use things "effectively and fairly". Their track record is on that is absolutely terrible.I think zoning can be a useful tool and positive if it's used effectively and fairly.
You are correct, Zoning is almost universal in the US.
But Huston is proof that it's not necessary.
It can, but I don't like having to trust the government to use things "effectively and fairly". Their track record is on that is absolutely terrible.
So I'd prefer we err on the side of "don't give them any more power than is absolutely necessary to keep society from coming apart at the seams".
I mean, a universal gun registry could be a "useful tool and positive if it's used effectively and fairly" but I don't think any of us want to trust them with one of those..
In short, after the story blew up the town left me alone and I kept my sign up for many years until it was finally deteriorated from age and weather. As of next week it'll actually be 7 years since that happened.Is it because the owner took it down because the Town made him?
I can't say for certain that there's NEVER an opportunity regulate political speech (as far as signage goes) but my experience has been that it's exceedingly difficult. If the owner of that sign really wanted to bring it to a higher court on an appeal he would probably have a case. @Celt had a situation several years back where his Anti-SAFE Act sign was defaced by police and was allowed to put it back up (if I'm remembering the situation correctly).
In short, after the story blew up the town left me alone and I kept my sign up for many years until it was finally deteriorated from age and weather. As of next week it'll actually be 7 years since that happened.
Houston Texas is a very large city with no zoning laws.How is Houston proof that it's not necessary? (asking seriously)
Is Zoning ripe for abuse? Sure it can be. But there's "safety valves" so to speak in the Zoning Board of Appeals (ZBA) process that I mentioned in one of my previous posts.
On a whole I agree with you. Limited government is the best government. But I'm also not totally anti-regulation either.
Houston Texas is a very large city with no zoning laws.
They are the counter example for all the naysayers that claim they are necessary.
If a city of over 2 million people can make it work, any place can.
I am not completely anti-regulation. I just find the vast majority of them unnecessary, and if they aren't absolutely necessary to a functioning society they shouldn't exist. Zoning falls in that category because it's been proven to be unnecessary.
Well, certainly there are forces that act to manage development. But market based forces are far more resistant to corruption than government edicts.Houston doesn’t have zoning, but there are workarounds
So this is definitely something I'll need to read and learn more about, but from my quick Google search while Houston does not have zoning it is not without regulation or planning for that matter. My quick read through of the article suggests they utilize other tools to accomplish much of the same thing, though, admittedly they have no Zoning to apply use regulations to areas. However, it does look there are things like covenants and deed restrictions that again, accomplish much of the same thing.
At this moment though (and this is strictly my opinion) while a Houston type example may work in some cases, I think many other cases would benefit from more traditional zoning.
They claimed that the town owns the first 5 feet from the edge of the road, but my property deed states that my property extends to the 8-foot mark from the center of the roadway.Do you recall what their rationale was for forcibly removing the sign? Did it violate height or setback ordinances or something?
Yes it does. The only issue is the produce is not grown on site because they have grown out of the space they have out back of the home. Same farm same location as 15 years they just moved the produce production to another location. It’s been there for years. I’m sure a neighbor got pissed when it grew or someone parked on their lawn.Need more information. Does it comply with the zoning? I wouldn’t be happy if my next door neighbor started running a retail sales business out of their house.
I was hoping for more than this from you on Orchard Park. Come on!!I lived and worked in that town for over 60 years, until I threw in the towel and moved to NC.
Screw them. They suck big time.
You can't have political signs for the most part in Orchard Park. I forget the stupid rules as to when they apply and when they don't.It actually probably would. It's commercial speech vs. political speech. Municipalities have wide leeway to regulate commercial speech (think signage advertising a business). Political speech (think political lawn signs or BLM signs) on the other hand you really can't do much about since it's a First Amendment issue.
A few years back I sat on a committee to review my Town's sign ordinance and we talked a lot about these issues.