"other firearm" used in Ohio shooting

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spat said:
I'd have to look, whichever one came with the cheapie PSA kit I built it from.

If you guys say a good one makes a difference I may have to try one sometime, but the one I have isn't worth the bulk and weight.
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SB tactical SBA3 and A4. Both use a standard carbine buffer tube, and are 5 position adjustable, to accommodate different arm lengths of course (not being able to use the longest position is how its still legal and is not designed to circumvent any laws)
 
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Edwardteach72 said:
Braces are leaps and bounds better than just a bare buffer tube.

Saying that they arent tells me you actually dont have any current experience with a brace
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spat said:
Have one, tried it, didn't like it and took it off.
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Trying one and not liking it is different than it not being useful. What caliber did you use it on? 9mm? I can tell you it sure does make a difference with 300 blk. 300 blk has more recoil than 556 so the brace helps. Anything other than just 2 hands will help. Even putting the end of the buffer tube itself into your shoulder is better than nothing. A stabilizer blade isn't much different than a triangle stock in sturdiness and usability. Just sayin.

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The point is, whether it is an “other” or an SBR, makes no difference. He would have gone on a rampage either way. Calling out the fact that it may have “exploited a loophole” is just another way to gin up fear and put pressure on to “fix” the laws. I don’t own one of these “others”, and I don’t really see the point to them, other than they are fashionable and 2nd cool (I get that), but I also don’t think the fact that the guys shooter was an “other” is germaine in any way. It’s just the media looking for an angle. Once that happens the horde piles on, and before you know it pistol braces are the next “weapon of war” that needs to be eradicated.
 
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Paxal said:
The point is, whether it is an “other” or an SBR, makes no difference. He would have gone on a rampage either way. Calling out the fact that it may have “exploited a loophole” is just another way to gin up fear and put pressure on to “fix” the laws. I don’t own one of these “others”, and I don’t really see the point to them, other than they are fashionable and 2nd cool (I get that), but I also don’t think the fact that the guys shooter was an “other” is germaine in any way. It’s just the media looking for an angle. Once that happens the horde piles on, and before you know it pistol braces are the next “weapon of war” that needs to be eradicated.
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My opinion on these has always been that we're lucky they used a surgical weapon like a gun, and not an indiscriminate one like a bomb.

This guy had to pull the trigger for each projectile, so he only killed 9 people, and many had a chance to flee or seek cover.

If he'd gone all Timothy McVeigh instead, then he would have killed hundreds and it would have been all over before anyone knew what was happening.
 
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spat said:
My opinion on these has always been that we're lucky they used a surgical weapon like a gun, and not an indiscriminate one like a bomb.

This guy had to pull the trigger for each projectile, so he only killed 9 people, and many had a chance to flee or seek cover.

If he'd gone all Timothy McVeigh instead, then he would have killed hundreds and it would have been all over before anyone knew what was happening.
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Kirk_STNY said:
The brace was invented by a vet with a problem with his arm. For people with limited arm strength.

That's what I heard from iraqvet888.

2A all the way!
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Yes it was to help those with some form of handicap or another that would make it difficult to hold a "pistol" with just one hand and it will help do so safely. It was also marketed originally for hunting as well when AR pistols were becoming new and popular for hunting.
 
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I wouldn't call them uncomfortable, just not all that much more useful than a bare buffer tube.

Actually using them as a brace is just cumbersome, and trying to shoulder them doesn't really get you anything compared to just getting a decent check weld on the bare buffer tube.

My main concern with these shenanigans is that they will go so far as to declare bare buffer tubes "stocks" and essentially turn all AR pistols into SBRs.

Right now they have no definition at all of what's a stock and what's a brace, aside from what does the manufacturer call it.

I've been waiting for someone to decide to market a collapsible brace for "people with different length forearms" or something.

Really, the whole SBR/SBS thing is a joke anyway.

It was originally included in the NFA because they thought they were going to include handguns as well and wanted everything concealable to be NFA.

When that didn't happen, there really is no reason to include the SBRs and SBSs either. But we've been stuck with it ever since Miller screwed us.

If Miller had just shown up for his court date, back then he could have pointed to all the SBSs used in the trenches of WWI and said "there, good for militia use" and gotten the whole NFA tossed.

That would have changed the whole gun control landscape for the last 100 years, but he took the easy way out and just disappeared, and we are all suffering for it.
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Mr. Miller couldn’t show up to SCOTUS because he was found murdered, travel issues also prevented his attorney from showing up. Even while being a convicted bank robber a lower court ruled that SBS were protected under the 2A before the feds appealed.
 
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spat said:
I wouldn't call them uncomfortable, just not all that much more useful than a bare buffer tube.

Actually using them as a brace is just cumbersome, and trying to shoulder them doesn't really get you anything compared to just getting a decent check weld on the bare buffer tube.

My main concern with these shenanigans is that they will go so far as to declare bare buffer tubes "stocks" and essentially turn all AR pistols into SBRs.

Right now they have no definition at all of what's a stock and what's a brace, aside from what does the manufacturer call it.

I've been waiting for someone to decide to market a collapsible brace for "people with different length forearms" or something.

Really, the whole SBR/SBS thing is a joke anyway.

It was originally included in the NFA because they thought they were going to include handguns as well and wanted everything concealable to be NFA.

When that didn't happen, there really is no reason to include the SBRs and SBSs either. But we've been stuck with it ever since Miller screwed us.

If Miller had just shown up for his court date, back then he could have pointed to all the SBSs used in the trenches of WWI and said "there, good for militia use" and gotten the whole NFA tossed.

That would have changed the whole gun control landscape for the last 100 years, but he took the easy way out and just disappeared, and we are all suffering for it.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but basically in Miller '39, they said SBS was illegal under NFA and the reasoning is it wasn't suitable for military use. At the time, barring knowledge of the trench gun, you could understand that decision. However, practically everything regulated by the NFA is now a standard part of our army. They use SBS, SBRs, and fully automatic/burst rifles. Isn't the justification that SBS weren't suitable for military use in Miller now justification for repealing the NFA entirely?
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but basically in Miller '39, they said SBS was illegal under NFA and the reasoning is it wasn't suitable for military use. At the time, barring knowledge of the trench gun, you could understand that decision. However, practically everything regulated by the NFA is now a standard part of our army. They use SBS, SBRs, and fully automatic/burst rifles. Isn't the justification that SBS weren't suitable for military use in Miller now justification for repealing the NFA entirely?
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Very few politicians are truly Pro 2A who would publicly support repealing the NFA. I wouldn't trust SCOUTUS either since our boy Kavannaugh has publicly justified the machine gun ban because it has been a "tradition" to have it banned for civilians.
 
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Mr. Miller couldn’t show up to SCOTUS because he was found murdered, travel issues also prevented his attorney from showing up. Even while being a convicted bank robber a lower court ruled that SBS were protected under the 2A before the feds appealed.
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Didn't realize he was murdered.

Now I need st start shopping for tin foil hats again....
 
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Didn't realize he was murdered.

Now I need st start shopping for tin foil hats again....
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Mr. Miller was not an ideal candidate to fight for the 2A since he used that SBS for a bank robbery. The NFA was largely ignored by gun owners especially veterans with war trophies, the feds knew it and briefly opened up a machine gun amnesty in 1968 (and let the owners register them in the NFA). Thanks to the Hughes amendment those machine guns can never be registered, a shame such historic heirlooms will go to waste.
 
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