Blimey
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I'll start. And pick the uncourageous answer of Compromise. I think he gets some, not all.
POLL: How do you think the government shutdown will end?
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Big loss- The modern dems don't understand compromise. Their idea of compromise is our side giving everything up. I can't think of one major legislation where they have compromised with our side. And lets face it they don't care about who they are hurting by this, they are just acting concerned to try to get their way. So I have zero doubt they will cave before RINO's bail on Trump.
Catskillkid
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I think it'll be a loss. When the tax refunds don't come in onetime because the IRS is closed then lots of people will be wailing to their reps to get the government open again. The Dems might give him some money to move it along but overall I think the Shutdown will be a big boondoggle for Trump. Every government shutdown up to this point has been a total cluster for all politicians but especially for Repubs. It won't be any different this time.
masterswimmer
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Agree with @Phauxtoe . Going to require a declaration of emergency.
Pres T will declare an emergency. 11-1/2 seconds later, the 9th circuit will issue a stay. The next 11 months will be spent determining that Pres T does in fact have the authority to make such a declaration, but that the barrier itself cannot be installed because some bullshit liberal judge says it's against some obscure environmental law which doesn't actually saw what the judge says it does. By that time, the 2020 election season will have been underway for 6 months or more. The non-essential portion of the gov't will be re-opened a week or so after the case hits the 9th circuit, with neither side being able to say that they won. Both sides loose, although the media will proclaim that Nancy played the whole thing like a champion, and won in a landslide.
@thewheels
.308 Win
BDinPutnam
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Not with a bang, but a whimper.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
still in shut down .. i don't see any CNN vids of starving Govt employees or homeless ones .. you know damn well it would be top story ..
misunderestimated
.223 Rem
I am doing my part and I am already planning on Not having my Tax return in time to pay for our spring break Florida vacation. its a silly move to shut down government and it doesn't effect the dems. A better thing would of been to hit them where it hurts, Shut down the border, shut down the money we export to other countries, Stop there pay, Its like telling some one if you don't stop surfing the web I am going to turn off your neighbors Internet access ,
Bigfoot
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I'm going with President Trump will declare a national emergency.
Curmudgeon
.308 Win
I was hoping it wouldn't
I think the army is going to build the wall.
Twogunwilly
6.5 Creedmoor
America's holding a Trump card, he plays these commies like a cheap fiddle. We'll get a wall and Mexico's going to pay for it by keeping all the migrants they let through. No way he's backing down IMO
And when the shutdown is over everyone will get back pay. Again. Which is total horseshit. I have no problem paying those that had to report to work but it's fucking bullshit to give back pay for those that didn't work. They can collect unemployment like all of us in the private sector would have to do. I feel bad for those that aren't getting paid and it's not their fault that our government leaders are idiots but they shouldn't be treated better than the rest of us and get a few weeks free vacation WITH pay
Depick
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Well I definitely don’t see it ending with a wall being built.
I think trump is the only politician with balls big enough to stand up to the dems and play their own game.
The dems have not been compromising at all on anything. I pray trump stands fast and holds the line. He cannot give in and not get his wall or barrier.
I can see some sort of a mega compromise, make all the DACA families legal and create a pathway for the illegals currently here to gain future citizenship while at the same time making a wall and stopping all future illegal immigration. I think this is the most likely outcome. It's the only outcome where both sides will be able to tell their voters they won.
I voted for conpromise
The dems have not been compromising at all on anything. I pray trump stands fast and holds the line. He cannot give in and not get his wall or barrier.
I can see some sort of a mega compromise, make all the DACA families legal and create a pathway for the illegals currently here to gain future citizenship while at the same time making a wall and stopping all future illegal immigration. I think this is the most likely outcome. It's the only outcome where both sides will be able to tell their voters they won.
I voted for conpromise
If Trump offers that deal I will not vote for him.
BDinPutnam
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I don't give a shit about the wall.
We've now skipped a paycheck to the Coasties, and eVerify is currently not operating.
This is helping us vis a vis security, and immigration enforcement, how?
We've now skipped a paycheck to the Coasties, and eVerify is currently not operating.
This is helping us vis a vis security, and immigration enforcement, how?
Blimey
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I think he would, but the dems are doing this purely for symbolism.
In truth, so is Trump at this point. For the record I love the border wall we already have and think we need a lot more of it, but $5B isn't going to do a great deal anyway. This is both sides digging in and a huge pissing contest. I want to see Trump win, but not holding my breath.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So who will you vote for? Biden? Hillary? Michelle Obama?
Write in?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I guess it doesn't matter in this state since it'll go to a democrat anyway but if you lived in Florida for example, your vote written to someone that has no chance can single-handedly give the election to Joe Biden.
Jmac00
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Im done worrying about this shit. Trump needs to put chuck and nancy on the spot by publically showing their hypocriscy from 2006, 2009 and 2015.
pres. trump also needs to use the 31 day R.I.F. (Reduction in Force) as a threat to get the wall built. If he threatens to start laying off or firing non-essential personel that might motivate nimble-nuts and scum-waffle to do something other than obstruct the administration.
pres. trump also needs to use the 31 day R.I.F. (Reduction in Force) as a threat to get the wall built. If he threatens to start laying off or firing non-essential personel that might motivate nimble-nuts and scum-waffle to do something other than obstruct the administration.
holdover
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The wall is a key element in the next election. Its a campaign promise. it holds a lot of political weight for either side. If trump gets it done Hes a fucking rockstar! Nothing could stop him in 2020. Dems know it. They will do everything in their power to stop the wall at all costs.. If they are successful they will spin it against trump ten ways to midnight. Dems will never budge. never . Compromise? sure .
Blimey
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Capitol Hill Aides Wait for a Disaster to End Shutdown - The Atlantic
Aides on Capitol Hill fear that a dramatic government failure may be the only thing to force President Trump and the Democrats back to the table.
Apparently food stamps won't run out until March.
i think there's definitely a chance enough republicans defect to push through a veto-proof budget. On the other hand, we could see democrat defections in the house to do the same.
Aides on Capitol Hill fear that a dramatic government failure may be the only thing to force President Trump and the Democrats back to the table.
Apparently food stamps won't run out until March.
i think there's definitely a chance enough republicans defect to push through a veto-proof budget. On the other hand, we could see democrat defections in the house to do the same.
ArmedCorgi
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I'm saying big win. There is no turning back for Trump. It used to be about coming through on a major campaign promise and is now largly about who has the power. Trump has so much more to lose than the dems. If he is sucessful not only does he get the wall, but he breaks the dems. He establishes dominance and would most likely make them think twice about pulling bs just to obstruct him again. If the dems win, Trump's presidency is over.
Steal2B
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I see the stakes being much higher than even that.
Blimey
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I don't know if I'm saying it because it hasn't affected me yet (the shutdown) or because I like to watch things go boom, but I really want to see him bring everything to its knees if necessary. If this really becomes an issue of who will turn the wheel first, I'm perfectly fine holding on tight all through the head-on collision. This is borne in my belief that any shutdown is actually just a temporary blip anyway. Lots of hysteria, we'll get past it. He needs to think of ways to increase pressure on the dems. Watch what happens if we get to the point the food stamps stop.
