POLL: How do you think the government shutdown will end?

[Nevar]

I'm going with a Win, but he will toss them some type of a bone to save face. This guy think 3 steps further then they do. He acts, they re-act to his moves.
Every time they think they have him Nailed to the wall. He pulls another Rabbit out of someones ass.
As far as the Emergency Build. Very sure he has looked into what he can get away with and how far to push. Up to moving $$$ around.

 

[Blimey]

Major announcement. Trump says he will make a 'major' announcement on Saturday about border and shutdown

Not sure this is a good thing. If it is saying it is an emergency the courts will shut this down immediately. And dems will win. And that is why his threat about saying there is an emergency has been ignored.

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

Does the 9th Circuit rule for the areas of the border, i.e. Texas, that could be involved in a declaration of an emergency?

 

[BDinPutnam]

Can I change my answer?

"Not well, for anybody, not least the American people as a whole."

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

If the President of the United States declares a national security emergency, and a circuit court judge says no way, this circus is going straight to the Supreme Court before the end of the business day. He doesn't even need the Supreme Court to say anything. The President has extroidinary, Constitutional powers and responsibilities. If he says that he has made a decision as Commander-in-Chief there is not much any judge or political body can do. Any doubts read about Lincoln, he suspended habeous corpus. He never considered the Confederacy a seperate nation,he considered them states in rebellion. What if President Trump decided to declare that certain states (blue) were in a state of rebellion? What if that is the national emergency he declares? What if the national emergency he declares is that certain law enforcement, intelligence, political, and media persons were trying to undertake a coup? He could suspend habeous corpus and round up people, incarcerate them and never have to produce them until he determined the emergency was over, just like Lincoln. 40% of the nation would probably support him doing this.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

I was thinking. If the Great Wall of China, stretching some 13,000 miles, was built in a time well before heavy equipment and modern building materials, built to withstand thousands of years of time, and over unimaginable terrain was important enough for generations of people to build......why is this "ass pimple" in comparison of a wall such a difficult pill for the demtards to swallow?

 

[BDinPutnam]

If the President of the United States declares a national security emergency, and a circuit court judge says no way, this circus is going straight to the Supreme Court before the end of the business day. He doesn't even need the Supreme Court to say anything. The President has extroidinary, Constitutional powers and responsibilities. If he says that he has made a decision as Commander-in-Chief there is not much any judge or political body can do. Any doubts read about Lincoln, he suspended habeous corpus. He never considered the Confederacy a seperate nation,he considered them states in rebellion. What if President Trump decided to declare that certain states (blue) were in a state of rebellion? What if that is the national emergency he declares? What if the national emergency he declares is that certain law enforcement, intelligence, political, and media persons were trying to undertake a coup? He could suspend habeous corpus and round up people, incarcerate them and never have to produce them until he determined the emergency was over, just like Lincoln. 40% of the nation would probably support him doing this.

You want a future democrat to be able to do the same? No thanks. I don't think the President of the United States has as "extraordinary" Constitutional powers as you think.

Lincoln was way, way afoul of the Constitution when he suspended habeas corpus. I understand why he did and I'm not sure I would not have, in the same position, but there's no way to square it with the Constitution. See also: FDR and Japanese internment. Though I am (maybe obviously) a bit of an absolutist.

I do think that decades of Congress abdicating their responsibilities has led many on both sides of the red/blue coin to think he does. Including but not limited to the 1976 National Emergencies Act.

"If he says that he has made a decision as Commander-in-Chief there is not much any judge or political body can do."

Judges? Sure, I completely, 100% agree with you, as it should be - but "there is not much any... political body can do" (emphasis added)? Impeachment is a political, not legal, process.

Article Two of the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

Declaring a emergency is the absolute, stupidest thing he could do. Not because he would be impeached per se but because it would be straight up the wrong way to do it. And there are a shit-ton of independents out there that won't be as turned off by BOTH candidates in 2020 as 2016 as to see those 80,000 votes in Wisconsin, PA, and Michigan not either flip or stay home in 2020.

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[masterswimmer]

I was thinking. If the Great Wall of China, stretching some 13,000 miles, was built in a time well before heavy equipment and modern building materials, built to withstand thousands of years of time, and over unimaginable terrain was important enough for generations of people to build......why is this "ass pimple" in comparison of a wall such a difficult pill for the demtards to swallow?
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Difficult pill for the demtards to swallow? Because President Trump wants it. All the dums are obstructionists. Plain and simple. When Bill, Hillary, Obama, Schmucky, et al ALL are on record saying we need to fortify our borders and build a wall and change their tune when Pres Trump follows their lead what else can they possibly be other than obstructionists?

 

[Steal2B]

Some of mankind's greatest wonders are History's effective ancient walls. Here are the one's to beat. If walls did not work, these would not exist. Historical remains are a pretty exact science with little room for MSM spin.
The great wall of China

Great Wall of Troy

Hadrian's Wall

Ston

Walls of Babylon

Wall of Zimbabwe

Sacsayhuaman Wall

Western Wall

Constantinople

 

[Steal2B]

Does the 9th Circuit rule for the areas of the border, i.e. Texas, that could be involved in a declaration of an emergency?

First come first served. Conservatives in Texas should have a straw man filing loaded in the fax machine to file a weak constitutional challenge in the 5th circuit to circumvent the left coast's 9th circus.

 

[Uzi]

Some of mankind's greatest wonders are History's effective ancient walls. Here are the one's to beat. If walls did not work, these would not exist. Historical remains are a pretty exact science with little room for MSM spin.
The great wall of China
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Great Wall of Troy
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Hadrian's Wall
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Ston
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Walls of Babylon
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Wall of Zimbabwe
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Sacsayhuaman Wall
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Western Wall
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Constantinople
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Ugh huh.

 

[GOPerfect]

I think it is very funny that both sides, the Left and the Right are fucking hard with the American people and the people are picking up what they are all putting down.,

The wall(s) are being built as we speak. They has been continuing building for quite some time. This is all a bad game and nearly all are falling for it.,

 

[GOPerfect]

Oh, and BTW, I do not care that people are not being paid.

 

[Blimey]

I had the poll on this close on Wednesday.

Looks like 15% of you called it. Trump just grabbed his heels and took it deep from Schumer and Pelosi.

 

[MilesTeg]

Yup he lost again at 4d chess.

 

[CaseHardened]

Oh, and BTW, I do not care that people are not being paid.

I would PREFER these Guvmint Slugs NEVER be paid

 

[MilesTeg]

The worst part about the whole thing is emboldened the left. We think they've been bad, now is when the show begins.

 

[masterswimmer]

I had the poll on this close on Wednesday.

Looks like 15% of you called it. Trump just grabbed his heels and took it deep from Schumer and Pelosi.

Wish I was wrong.

 

[CaseHardened]

1: Trump is handicapped by the fact he cares about the economy, and cares about the people. He could not let this go on any longer.
2: He had to try to do this the traditional way. It failed, but he had to try.
3: The Democrats again claimed today that "Reopen the government, then we will negotiate." They will be proven to be liars.
4: In three weeks an Emergency will be declared. A liberal Judge will deny it. That Judge will be over-ruled.

5: Ginsburg will be dead.

President Trump is doing the right thing.

 

[Blimey]

Nothing final yet but it's looking like maybe he got $1.5B for an actual wall (made of steel)?

If so, it's $1.5B more than I thought he would when he reopened gov.

 

[CaseHardened]

Nothing final yet but it's looking like maybe he got $1.5B for an actual wall (made of steel)?

If so, it's $1.5B more than I thought he would when he reopened gov.

Is there anything to stop our President from declaring an Emergency AFTER he signs this bill ?

I don't think so.

1.5 Billion will last until the SCOTUS overrules any 9th Circuit complaints.