I posted BIG Pharma CDC info knucklehead!You got NOTHING, absolutely nothing of value there.
IMO, when people lie to themselves long enough they start to believe it is true.
Since you guys like the CDC so much lets grab the actual numbers vs. the flu so you can see them in perspective and
how this has been a death sentence for so many people w/o a vaccine being available.
I provide the CDC estimates and actuals from both diseases with links. Since the flu is a non re-portable illnesses we
have to include the CDCs estimate range and we average that.
Even if the rate stays the same to date the Covid is 7.3 times more lethal than the flu (including the worse years), that as we know also kills a lot of people but not as many as it can be managed via prevention programs in most recent history.
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If you track the 7 day moving averages wold wide you will find out that this is not going to end up any time soon w/o a vaccine to
counterattack focused area with early detection, early intervention and contention that are the 3 main directives when dealing with a pandemic.
Of course herd immunity can be achieved naturally but it doesn't look that great w/o a vaccine.
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The certainly gives him the opportunity to lead by example when it comes to medical assistance to fight covid-19. I think this will turn out to be a good thing in the long run.
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If Trump were on a ventilator, you'd have a transfer of power. No way that doesn't get out.
NYC has plenty of unused Vents. Thousands!
There are multiple reports of him laughing and joking with the hospital staff. His work continues interrupted from the presidential office suite in the hospital. He is on calls continually with other leaders and senators. Pretty easily verified that he’s fine.
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More and more it’s becoming clear that it isn’t Our President that’s the problem with our country, it’s the people living in it.
If you are happy that President Trump and the First Lady tested positive with Covid, YOU are what is wrong with our world. Being happy, saying it’s karma, saying you’re glad over the fact that someone is sick and saying you hope they die, shows how disgusting of a human being you are.
Whatever happened to moving politics and personal agendas aside and just being an actual decent human being?!
Ashley Enderson
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More and more it’s becoming clear that it isn’t Our President that’s the problem with our country, it’s the people living in it.
If you are happy that President Trump and the First Lady tested positive with Covid, YOU are what is wrong with our world. Being happy, saying it’s karma, saying you’re glad over the fact that someone is sick and saying you hope they die, shows how disgusting of a human being you are.
Whatever happened to moving politics and personal agendas aside and just being an actual decent human being?!
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Holdover stay with me for a second.
Cdc numbers are US numbers. 357,000 deaths is US only. (The US rate I calculated)
When you said in a planet of 7Billion you have to use all the countries that is 1M+ deaths (Chart).
2-5% the rate like the Spanish Flu. It is obvious that if they had more preventive and treatment measures they would have used them
like better masks, retro-viral, antibiotics, ventilators so it would be impossible to say how many people would have been saved.
I don't think anybody sane could suggest, lets don't do anything until the death rate gets to x% or act like some people pretend that this
is nothing.
The key issue with covid (like any other EIDs) is not to overwhelm the hospitals and health care system so they can take care of people with early detection, early intervention and containment that has shown to be the best way to prevent a lot more people from dying like it happen the first 2-3 months in Italy, Spain, Brazil, India, etc...
And avoid sending infected people to nursing homes like the prince Cuomo did assuring a death sentence for a huge % of people in those nursing homes, specially knowing that this was the biggest problems in countries that just have suffered the same consequences.
All we had to do is to look at countries like Taiwan, south Korea that managed this the right way from day one. They were ready because
in the region they have been used to this type of thing after SARS and other EIDs.
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Another thread concerning COVID-19 turns into a complete shit show.
Let's get one thing PERFECTLY straight, especially the "sky is falling" crew...
The "cases" being tallied, supposedly in high numbers, are NOT equal to having the disease... these "cases" are "positive" tests for the virus that come from a RT-PCR protocol that is unreliable, at best.
It means one thing, and one thing only...they saw chunks of DNA on the thermocycler that were of the appropriate size. PCR was never thought to be a medium for clinical diagnosis of infectious agents - by fucking anyone...until now. And NO, it has not been improved to a point where that is routinely possible with a significant confidence in the results.
The DNA produced is NOT sequenced - it could be anything - it is just is the right size, period.
RT-PCR is NOT the "gold standard" for infection with SARS-CoV-2. Only appropriate cell culture methods can do that.
At best it is an adjunct to a real, hands-on physical exam and appropriate tests that might be helpful - like a chest X-Ray.
What MDs in this country actually do a real exam for COVID-19? Most are "telephone" diagnoses in my county. Fucking seriously??
They don't, they're fucking pussies...they're NOT doing their fucking job.
The people on the ambulances and ER personnel are the only ones with any cojones.
Doctors Without Borders shouldn't recruit in the US anymore...can you see one of the limp-wristed US docs going into an Ebola hot zone? Even with full PPE?
Let's get one thing PERFECTLY straight, especially the "sky is falling" crew...
The "cases" being tallied, supposedly in high numbers, are NOT equal to having the disease... these "cases" are "positive" tests for the virus that come from a RT-PCR protocol that is unreliable, at best.
It means one thing, and one thing only...they saw chunks of DNA on the thermocycler that were of the appropriate size. PCR was never thought to be a medium for clinical diagnosis of infectious agents - by fucking anyone...until now. And NO, it has not been improved to a point where that is routinely possible with a significant confidence in the results.
The DNA produced is NOT sequenced - it could be anything - it is just is the right size, period.
RT-PCR is NOT the "gold standard" for infection with SARS-CoV-2. Only appropriate cell culture methods can do that.
At best it is an adjunct to a real, hands-on physical exam and appropriate tests that might be helpful - like a chest X-Ray.
What MDs in this country actually do a real exam for COVID-19? Most are "telephone" diagnoses in my county. Fucking seriously??
They don't, they're fucking pussies...they're NOT doing their fucking job.
The people on the ambulances and ER personnel are the only ones with any cojones.
Doctors Without Borders shouldn't recruit in the US anymore...can you see one of the limp-wristed US docs going into an Ebola hot zone? Even with full PPE?
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After all, they aspire to be brutal third-world dictators. They're interested in transforming the U.S. into a third-world country and assuming control as unopposed dictators.
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The Spanish flu had infected one third of the global population ,33.3% . I was shooting low at 2-5% .
According to the chart you posted around 1 million deaths globally are due to covid. There are 7 billion people in the world. 1% of 7 billion is something like 70 million. We are no where near the pandemic level globally. this is like 00.7 % .
This percentage number is reflected in US deaths , 350 million people in US with your number of 356,000 dead. 1% being 35 million dead in US
And again its reflected in number of deaths in Erie County, where I live, 1.2 million people with a covid death rate of around 700. with the majority of people who died being in very poor health , the elderly.
I dont see it . I dont see a pandemic here. I dont see a reason to panic, I dont see a reason to close down the economy.
I havent worn a mask at all since the beginning, 9 months into a global pandemic and I haven't got a cold. I dont personally know anyone who has died from it .
The math doesn't lie, Politicians do.
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You're off by an order of magnitude.
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Hows that?
holdover
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For people who think he’s just laying in a hospital bed or something..
nypost.com
An ICU bed and a crystal chandelier: Inside Walter Reed’s ‘Presidential Suite’
The Presidential Suite at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, where President Trump spent the night, has both top-level medical care and some comforts of home for the ailing commander-in-…
nypost.com
1% of 350 million isn't 35 million. You're off by a factor of 10, ie. an order of magnitude.
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Ok My bad, 3.5 million , I stand corrected.
I am not worried. Trump will survive...
He is in Walter Reed Hospital; Not a New York Nursing Home.,
He is in Walter Reed Hospital; Not a New York Nursing Home.,
I think this goes for most people, including myself.
Most people I know will downplay and even hide how ill they are and how they feel.
Take our countries huge suicide numbers for instance.
Ive had a hirrible year medically and dont feel great even now. But, my family and friends see me as fine.
Except my wife of course, she knows what a whiner I am.
Its kind of instinct to not show weakness. Weakness can get you killed by your pack.
I think this goes for most people, including myself.
Most people I kniw will downplay and ecen hide how ill they are and how they feel.
Take our countries huge suicide numbers for instance.
Ive had a hirrible year medically and dont feel great even now. But, my family and friends see me as fine.
Except my wife of course, she knows what a whiner I am.
Its kind of instinct to not show weakness. Weakness can get you killed by your pack.
Funny you mention this the way you did...
I have been going through some "things" for a few weeks now in my head, No one is the wiser. We cover up our internal battles all of the time.
He hide what we hide and we only share pieces of our troubles. This is true will the vast majority of people.
Remember Hillary Clinton in 2016?
Her and her doctors said she was "fit as a fiddle."
All while floundering on the ground and falling up stairs.
Current Biden as well. All of America can see how bad he has slipped just in the past few months to a year, they are all saying the same..
He is in near perfect condition. Funny how that works, so many 70 + year old politicians in Washington in tip top shape.
These reporters are sick. Anyone watching the conference? The questions they are asking almost hoping he has serious symptoms or problems. They almost imply to their viewers there are more problems than there are. Then when the doctors say no they keep pushing. Trying to make the story up themselves. They asked about him being in oxygen about 10 times and were told no every time. They think they can ask and ask until they get the answer they want. Sick people.
I just flipped to NBC and they are saying to read between the lines and implying that the president has been on oxygen yesterday because the doctor said he’s not on it today. I saw the whole thing and the doctor said no. Then they said what about yesterday. Answer was no. Then they ask later what about Thursday. Answer no. They are taking one reply and spinning it out of context. If you hadn’t seen it in full you would just take one specific days reply and be misled. These people are scum.
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They do that with everything. Its not news, Its propaganda.
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What is more likely, that, or people who refuse to wear masks & distance during a viral outbreak get sick more often from said outbreak because they don't observe the medically sound guidelines on reducing the spread.
I call Occam's razor on this one.