jimc
.223 Rem
Here's an interesting video from a defense attorney I've been listening to lately.
Prosecutors to recharge Alec Baldwin for 'Rust' shooting
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stokes
.338 Win Mag
The act had nothing to do with any "script" they were not filming anything at the time.
He's a victim???? Are you outta your fuckin mind or maybe you should lay off the crack pipe.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
How does anyone know, except for him, if he didn’t mean to do it?
Modean
.223 Rem
They don't, that’s why the involuntary manslaughter charge.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
The fact that Hollywood does things a certain way is not sufficient to say that's how they *should* do them.
Every actor who handles a gun on set *should* be checking their own gun. If they aren't capable of that, then train them. If they aren't capable of being trained, then either get another actor, or get them a part that doesn't require gun handling.
Some things *should* be simple. Gun safety is one of those things.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
The movie John Wick, with Keanu Reeves shot thousands of rounds without incident ( that anyone knows of )
Clint Eastwood movies, again thousands of rounds fired, no one injured, ( that anyone knows of )
name any action movie, and you have tens of thousands of rounds fired and no one was injured ( that anyone knows of )
Baldwin and his armorer, should be going to jail. I suspect, Baldwin will get community service and a fine, but the armorer IS going to jail. But the state destroying evidence, thats a BIG PROBLEM
Clint Eastwood movies, again thousands of rounds fired, no one injured, ( that anyone knows of )
name any action movie, and you have tens of thousands of rounds fired and no one was injured ( that anyone knows of )
Baldwin and his armorer, should be going to jail. I suspect, Baldwin will get community service and a fine, but the armorer IS going to jail. But the state destroying evidence, thats a BIG PROBLEM
zorro
.357 mag
I see this getting kicked out pretty quickly when either the jury or the defence attorney ask to see the gun used
Eh, sorry, but the prosecution destroyed the main evidence your honor
Eh, sorry, but the prosecution destroyed the main evidence your honor
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
if the armorer was not there why should she be going to Jail .. ???
that is like someone breaks into your home and steals your gun and ammo and goes and kills someone down the street ..
but it's your fault for letting them break in and steal your gun and ammo ...
that is like someone breaks into your home and steals your gun and ammo and goes and kills someone down the street ..
but it's your fault for letting them break in and steal your gun and ammo ...
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
It was the armorers responsibility to secure the weapons. Don't know how that should translate to responsibility - did she leave them out, did someone else pull them out while she was gone?
As producer, Baldwin was the armorer's boss. So he's responsible as the person who pulled the trigger, and he's responsible for making sure the armorer did her job.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
??? Question .. ???
Was there even a Gun and Ammo Safe on the Set ??
if there was and the boss had the master key or combination .. he had to have had to give to the armorer ..
Was there even a Gun and Ammo Safe on the Set ??
if there was and the boss had the master key or combination .. he had to have had to give to the armorer ..
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Live ammo is not allowed on the set , yet someone brought it, and they shot targets with live ammo . Safety protocols were violated by the studio and actors . Somebody died because of it.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
This is not a who done it. Everyone knows who done it. The man holding the weapon which killed a woman in front of ten people because safety protocols were not followed . Because of his reckless and irresponsible actions .
Modean
.223 Rem
Read this, then tell me he’s a victim. Remember, he’s not just an actor, he’s a producer on this film.Well, the fact is now that he is charged with INVOLUNTARY manslaughter...........................
Did not mean to do it.
Was deliberate recklessness or criminal intent involved? No--- incompetence and a stackup of acts that ultimately resulted in the tragic end..................Could Baldwin, in the act of filming that scene, deviated from the script, and shot into the wall?
No.
He is a victim, and was not drunk or high at the time.
Here is an example has has not gone to trial yet...........A truck, now Car #1...... ran a stop sign............Car#2 was driven by a 17 year old who hit the Truck at 60 mph, T-boning the truck and killing the truck driver and a passenger in the car.........
Who is to blame..2 dead................no trial yet...........
Two men die after crash near Utica
WESTMORELAND, N.Y. (WROC) – New York State Police in Marcy are investigating a fatal two-vehicle crash that took place Friday afternoon in Westmoreland. Police say the crash took place at the inter…www.rochesterfirst.com
'Rust' crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting
At least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to production managers about gun safety on the set.
www.latimes.com
Again..........did he mean to shoot the victim? No...........
The case of the kid killed on the 4 wheeler is different--shooter shot at the kid............deliberately.
Involuntary manslaughter..........Jury will see it that way too, a tragic accident...........a plea bargain instead of a likely acquittal by a Jury might be predicted.
The legal definition of INVOLUNTARY manslaughter, as applied in cases, usually involved vehiclular deaths due to equipment failure AND vehicle neglect, or during street racing, or being intoxicated.......
The case of the kid killed on the 4 wheeler is different--shooter shot at the kid............deliberately.
Involuntary manslaughter..........Jury will see it that way too, a tragic accident...........a plea bargain instead of a likely acquittal by a Jury might be predicted.
The legal definition of INVOLUNTARY manslaughter, as applied in cases, usually involved vehiclular deaths due to equipment failure AND vehicle neglect, or during street racing, or being intoxicated.......
stokes
.338 Win Mag
He pointed the gun at her for absolutely no reason, he then cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger. It was not an "accident" during a filming, it was reckless. Involuntary manslaughter is a dumbed down charge. I dont know the laws in New Mex, but in NY he could also be charged with reckless endangerment, which carries more time than some bullshit "involuntary" charge. He's getting away with mureder.
Willyone
6.5 Creedmoor
Even on a movie set you'd have to be inept, a total idiot, to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger without first checking and making sure the gun was empty. And with todays movie making technology, ability to simulate just about anything, there's no reason to have a fully functioning firearm on the set. Firing pin should have been removed or broken/filed off. Asshole or not (and he is an asshole) Baldwin was the producer and as I understand it, the producer is responsible for everything that takes place on a movie set (please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about the responsibility part). There should be consequences for Baldwin. And the armorer is also in the wrong for not securing the gun, and for even having and leaving a functioning gun on the set. It seems she bears much of the responsibility.
To me the REAL mystery is, who put then left live ammo in the gun, and why. Seems that person is as guilty as anyone.
To me the REAL mystery is, who put then left live ammo in the gun, and why. Seems that person is as guilty as anyone.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Im all in that it was Baldwin himself. I do believe he was shooting live ammo earlier that day. And unless he had his ammo girl reload for him every six shots ,( not likely) he probably loaded the weapon himself . How easy could it have been to have a few live rounds in his pockets? We all came home from the range and found a round or two in a jacket or pocket . Who knows if she didnt just hand him the blanks against the rules? who knows if he didnt leave the blanks on a table and came back and loaded it himself?
This girl didn't have a very complicated job, what complicated it was the fact there were live rounds on set and they somehow got mixed . A mistake that would not have happened if they followed their protocols .
they are making the argument of who loaded the gun. Does'nt matter. who pointed the gun and killed a woman without checking the weapon ?
Willyone
6.5 Creedmoor
All that may or may not be true. I don't know the facts of who did what when. And all the "who knows" doesn't matter but the who and when needs to be established. All I know is what was reported on the snews a long time ago. And all I know, or think I know, is that the movie producer is responsible for what goes on, on set. And in this case Baldwin the producer shot and killed the girl, because he did not check/clear the weapon. That is on him 100%.
Still, I believe who last loaded the gun before the scene in which Baldwin pulled the trigger, and when it was loaded needs to be known. Not to remove any blame from Baldwin, but to find out who else may have contributed to the girls death. Consider this, what if someone on the set or crew wanted the girl dead, and was familiar with the upcoming scene. Might sound like a not likely, but I expect the cops are looking into that. If not they should be.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Upcoming scene had nothing to do with anything, the girl that was shot dead wasnt "in the scene" and it wasnt a scene, he pointed the gun at a girl behind a camera in between takes. Maybe he wanted her dead and loaded the gun, they dont know, and have no way of knowing, bottom line, he cocked and pulled the trigger, not by accident. Like I said earlier, if I pointed a gun at you at the range and pulled the trigger the "I didnt know it was loaded" defense aint gonna save me like it is apparently saving him.
Willyone
6.5 Creedmoor
Welp, I wasn't there. And as I said all I know is what was in news reports soon after it happened. Reports were sketchy at the time and who knows if the reporting was accurate or honest. Guess we might find out more as time continues.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Baldwin tells us we shouldn't have guns, but wouldn't tell his staff not to play with "his" guns.
Baldwin is a commie who simps for the dem platform, but wouldn't treat his staff fairly, and hired scabs to take their place when they walked off.
I have very little tolerance for hypocrite pieces of shit.
Baldwin is a commie who simps for the dem platform, but wouldn't treat his staff fairly, and hired scabs to take their place when they walked off.
I have very little tolerance for hypocrite pieces of shit.
subsonic
.44 mag
You sure are full of dumb takes. Juries are a group of the dumbest people that get past two rounds of slimeball attorneys, hear what they're allowed to hear, and can come to agreement on when all of them mostly want to leave.
Almost as dumb as your take that Alec isn't responsible for his own actions.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Seems to have a creepy bromance going on with Alec
"Just the facts mam", just the facts"
Jury will decide...............not me.
I have served on several juries..............all human beings.................juries pick a forepeson but a logical person can dominate the deliberations and do jury nullification.
One case--- a guy was charged with killing a drug dealer in Utica near his home............no gun was ever found.................but they picked him to prosecute, because he had warned the drug dealer to stay away..........with witnesses....................................so I hung the jury to the point we finally acquitted him...............right is right. Guy was protecting his kids in Cornhill...and words are just words..not glocks.
Another burglar case..................guy was charged with no proof whatsoever................turned out a defective search warrant lost the proof...................but we said WTF is going on???? No proof.......so we let him go...............he then joined the Marines...............
Another case where it was clear that there was a very weak case..jury body language must have convinced the prosecutor to offer a plea deal............ juries can get it right.
Another case where a jilted woman killed her former boyfriend, "by mistake", with a big kitchen knife while they were walking on the street talking/arguing.
Prosecutor strangely said she was a abused woman.......... thinking we might let her go on manslaughter.........45 minutes later she was convicted of 2nd degree murder.
It is a hoot sitting in judgement. Try it.
Jury will decide...............not me.
I have served on several juries..............all human beings.................juries pick a forepeson but a logical person can dominate the deliberations and do jury nullification.
One case--- a guy was charged with killing a drug dealer in Utica near his home............no gun was ever found.................but they picked him to prosecute, because he had warned the drug dealer to stay away..........with witnesses....................................so I hung the jury to the point we finally acquitted him...............right is right. Guy was protecting his kids in Cornhill...and words are just words..not glocks.
Another burglar case..................guy was charged with no proof whatsoever................turned out a defective search warrant lost the proof...................but we said WTF is going on???? No proof.......so we let him go...............he then joined the Marines...............
Another case where it was clear that there was a very weak case..jury body language must have convinced the prosecutor to offer a plea deal............ juries can get it right.
Another case where a jilted woman killed her former boyfriend, "by mistake", with a big kitchen knife while they were walking on the street talking/arguing.
Prosecutor strangely said she was a abused woman.......... thinking we might let her go on manslaughter.........45 minutes later she was convicted of 2nd degree murder.
It is a hoot sitting in judgement. Try it.
subsonic
.44 mag
Thanks for proving my point. I am completely unsurprised that you've managed to get picked for several juries. See my above comment on the composition of juries.
I go out of my way to avoid jury duty...............but when compelled, I do my citizens duty.
I have never been called for a Federal, or local Grand jury.......but I understand that I have been part of an inquest, among others...........
Juries are now about obsolete in NYS, as the appearance ticket that minorities get for all crimes, never get anywhere, in this CCP controlled state.
I have never been called for a Federal, or local Grand jury.......but I understand that I have been part of an inquest, among others...........
Juries are now about obsolete in NYS, as the appearance ticket that minorities get for all crimes, never get anywhere, in this CCP controlled state.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
Course, there is the possibility that the DA found out Alecs' a closet conservative.
robin
robin
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Armorer on Alec Baldwin Movie ‘Rust’ Found Guilty of Involuntary Manslaughter
The decision came after less than three hours of deliberation.
www.theepochtimes.com
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
because someone has to take the fall for Baldwin killing someoneArmorer on Alec Baldwin Movie ‘Rust’ Found Guilty of Involuntary Manslaughter
The decision came after less than three hours of deliberation.