We are in line with EU painting Soviet Union as Nazi Ally who started WWII. Look it up, that's how the history is narrated in this country. This wasn't always the case. It started at about the same time communism collapsed in the Soviet Union. Prior to that Soviet role in defeating Nazi Germany was simply minimized and we took all the credit. I had numerous discussions about this since mid 1970's. Interestingly people from generation that actually remembered WWII or fought in it were taking a different view. I guess they remembered the newsreels.
Putin unveils WWII European involvement evidence
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We are in line with EU painting Soviet Union as Nazi Ally who started WWII. Look it up, that's how the history is narrated in this country. This wasn't always the case. It started at about the same time communism collapsed in the Soviet Union. Prior to that Soviet role in defeating Nazi Germany was simply minimized and we took all the credit. I had numerous discussions about this since mid 1970's. Interestingly people from generation that actually remembered WWII or fought in it were taking a different view. I guess they remembered the newsreels.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Hitler's moustache is smiling while he's frowning.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The Soviet's won the war and Stalin was a cupcake, end of story.
Robinov
Robinov
I don't view world history through a narrow ideological prism. The world doesn't revolve around our internal comical purse fight between R's and D's.
The fact of the matter European democracies folded and waited for totalitarian Stalinist Russia to break Hitler's back. This is also a part of history.
Soviets won the war because Stalin wasn't a cup cake and our government knew the difference between Stalin and Hitler.
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Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Our?
robin
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Long term socialism doesn't work. This isn't a D vs R thing, it's just a law of nature. The government control will inexorably increase in a socialist state until it becomes totalitarian.
Every flaw in society will generate a demand for government to "fix" it, with an attendant loss of freedom. Eventually enough freedom is gone that you have become totalitarian.
Totalitarianism does work, in that it's stable and a society can survive under it, we just don't want to live there.
That leaves capitalism. Which can't really exist in a pure state, there are always some minor elements of socialism that inevitably grow. You are seeing 200+ years of that here.
The only thing you can do is accept that totalitarianism is where you're headed, or fight tooth and nail against every increment of socialism.
pjzwtl
.308 Win
IDK maybe it’s my age but I was never taught the Soviets helped start the war with Hitler? Yea Stalin may have allowed Hitler the balk is as a truce to stay out of a war he didn’t want to be in. And a good thing Hitler invaded Russia It was the beginning of the end. I’m sur the Allies would have eventually one without the Soviets pushing from the east but at what cost?
Millions of taxpayer dollars were spent feeding this propaganda into Eastern Europe. Congress still approves such spending and revisionist history is paid for by the American taxpayers.
pjzwtl
.308 Win
To be honest The Soviet Union is gone so
snd like all my wasted tax dollars being pissed away I would like it to stop.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Putin pays for your brand of revisionist history.
Let me save you a posting, "its all documented"! Yada yada
Robin
Let me save you a posting, "its all documented"! Yada yada
Robin
Putin pays for your brand of revisionist history.
Let me save you a posting, "its all documented"! Yada yada
Robin
Name one document Putin used that is alleged to be a fake.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
Netflix has a series that covers allot of this WWII politics so its not really new info.
I haven't seen it, so I can't comment on it. Lots of new documents were unveiled by Putin. Communications between Polish and German diplomats that expose the colaboration of two countries in destruction of Czechoslovakia and their secret alliance against Soviet Union that predates Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
Sounds like allot more dirty details I can't wait for to binge on a new Netflix series.
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After unveiling of documents by Vladimir Putin, Russian ambassador was summoned to Polish foreign ministry, where according to him he had a heated exchange with Polish officials. Polish prime minister Morawiecki made a public statement harshly criticizing Putin, but never challenged the validity of a single document or offered any evidence to counter Putin's accusation.
Some of the Western historians, while not coming to Putin's defense criticized Polish government for pushing the issue.
Well, the Ginny is out of the bottle and in response to Polish prime minister's tirade, Putin said that unveiling just scratched the surface and there are plenty more documents yet to see.
Lets not forget that Red Army stormed Reichs-Chancellery and the whole Berlin and took possession of all of the documents and archives as well as archives throughout Eastern Europe.
After unveiling of documents by Vladimir Putin, Russian ambassador was summoned to Polish foreign ministry, where according to him he had a heated exchange with Polish officials. Polish prime minister Morawiecki made a public statement harshly criticizing Putin, but never challenged the validity of a single document or offered any evidence to counter Putin's accusation.
Some of the Western historians, while not coming to Putin's defense criticized Polish government for pushing the issue.
Well, the Ginny is out of the bottle and in response to Polish prime minister's tirade, Putin said that unveiling just scratched the surface and there are plenty more documents yet to see.
Lets not forget that Red Army stormed Reichs-Chancellery and the whole Berlin and took possession of all of the documents and archives as well as archives throughout Eastern Europe.
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‘We will not be lectured’: Russia stands by Putin calling pro-Hitler Polish WWII envoy ‘bastard & anti-Semitic pig’
Poland summoned the Russian ambassador in Warsaw to explain President Vladimir Putin’s remarks about the anti-Semitism of the 1930s Polish ambassador to Germany. Moscow is refusing to budge from historical truth.
Yes, US government is still blaming Soviet Union for the start of WWII.
“Dear President Putin, Hitler and Stalin colluded to start WWII. That is a fact. Poland was a victim of this horrible conflict,” U.S. Ambassador to Poland Georgette Mosbacher said on Twitter in English and Polish.
The Russian Embassy countered with a tweet saying: “Dear Ambassador, do you really think that you know about history any more than you do about diplomacy?”
January 27th marks 75th anniversary of liberation of Auschwitz by the Red Army. President Putin is expected to attend commemoration ceremonies in Israel as honorary guest and speaker.
“Dear President Putin, Hitler and Stalin colluded to start WWII. That is a fact. Poland was a victim of this horrible conflict,” U.S. Ambassador to Poland Georgette Mosbacher said on Twitter in English and Polish.
The Russian Embassy countered with a tweet saying: “Dear Ambassador, do you really think that you know about history any more than you do about diplomacy?”
January 27th marks 75th anniversary of liberation of Auschwitz by the Red Army. President Putin is expected to attend commemoration ceremonies in Israel as honorary guest and speaker.
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Polish president Duda said he will not attend Holocaust commemorating ceremonies in Israel, because Israel will not allow him to speak. This came as a result of Poland refusing to own up to its role in the Holocaust.
The evidence and charges introduced by Putin on Poland's role in helping Hitler to unleash his conquest of Europe will not be swept under the rug or go away. The truth will prevail.
Polish president Duda said he will not attend Holocaust commemorating ceremonies in Israel, because Israel will not allow him to speak. This came as a result of Poland refusing to own up to its role in the Holocaust.
The evidence and charges introduced by Putin on Poland's role in helping Hitler to unleash his conquest of Europe will not be swept under the rug or go away. The truth will prevail.
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Some of the embarrassing images from our past.
www.theatlantic.com
American Nazis in the 1930s—The German American Bund
In the United States, the German American Bund, an American Nazi organization, was formed in 1936, and soon grew to have tens of thousands of members.
www.theatlantic.com
From Nazi occupied territories and POW camps. No one was holding pro-Nazi rallies in the Soviet Union ever.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Well there you go, you're guilt free, pristine clean. Commie par' exelan'ce! But then, no one ever held rallies in the USSR, well without paying the ultimate price.
Hungarians
Czech's
Yeah, they fared well.
Save your commie shit for some one that is stupid enough to believe you.
Robin
Hungarians
Czech's
Yeah, they fared well.
Save your commie shit for some one that is stupid enough to believe you.
Robin
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