Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It’s not necessary. That girl I’m dating can be picked up peacefully in numerous ways.
Rand Paul introduces Justice for Breonna Taylor Act to ban "no-knock" warrants
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spat
.700 Nitro Express
Well, if it's not a no-knock warrant, they *should* be required to give the occupants a reasonable amount of time to respond before kicking the door in.
A few minutes wouldn’t be too much to ask.
The whole "knock twice and smash" thing is just asking for trouble.
And yes, I realize that gives them time to destroy evidence, prepare to respond, etc... Respecting rights means that the bad guys will get away some times.
Toecutter
.308 Win
I admit I too thought this was a no knock. The media completely lied. I can argue they should not be pursuing drug crimes this aggressive but in this case it appears that they knocked several times before entering and this guy was waiting for them . This woman died because of the poor life choice of dating someone willing to shoot at cops.
To bad the media didn't latch of to Duncan Lemp we could fins out the details of what happened that night.
To bad the media didn't latch of to Duncan Lemp we could fins out the details of what happened that night.
From the grand jury testimony, it was said, by a neighborhood witness that the sound of the the police announcement and the first shot was nearly two minutes. Seems like enough time to me.
I am okay with all of this... The guy was pure scum, she should have made better choices.
I see we're having another analogy discussion.
Seems like all of the time.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
If that's the case then it sounds like they did things right here.
The only people who would call for no no-knock’s have no clue. It’s that simple. You’ll never get evidence anymore and you’ll prepare people to attack officers.
Whats the best way to take down violent felons. When they least expect it or announcing yourself and giving them 5.... 10..... 20 minutes to arm up and get into place to take you out.
Knock knock knock “we’d like to come in to get your 20 kilos and 1 million in counterfeit money”
Yea we’ll be right there.. give us a few minutes.
meanwhile there’s a burn pit going in the back yard burning the money and the drugs are being flushed down the drain.
Can’t make this dumb shit up. Good thing it’ll never go anywhere.
Whats the best way to take down violent felons. When they least expect it or announcing yourself and giving them 5.... 10..... 20 minutes to arm up and get into place to take you out.
Knock knock knock “we’d like to come in to get your 20 kilos and 1 million in counterfeit money”
Yea we’ll be right there.. give us a few minutes.
meanwhile there’s a burn pit going in the back yard burning the money and the drugs are being flushed down the drain.
Can’t make this dumb shit up. Good thing it’ll never go anywhere.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You are okay with a knock on the door at midnight for a drug warrant? I sure as hell am not. If someone knocks on my door after I have been asleep, I’m a dead man and so will most here if they hear the knock by the time they get out of bed and walk down the stairs.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yeah. Because this can never happen to anyone.
Do not get confused..
This guy is pure scum. He is not just a drug dealer. He is a trafficker of narcotics. A big time drug dealer, he is not standing on a street corner selling dime bags of dope. He is a high level member of the Bloods, or the Crips, I can't remember which one.
Taylor was killed, not because of this warrant or this arrest, she was killed because she chose to live with, date, screw or whatever a serious piece of garbage. She was killed because this scumbag put her below his arrest. The Police did not kill her, yeah, it was their bullets, but her death is her fault and the fault of her man. I guess her black live did not matter to the other black in the house.
This guy is pure scum. He is not just a drug dealer. He is a trafficker of narcotics. A big time drug dealer, he is not standing on a street corner selling dime bags of dope. He is a high level member of the Bloods, or the Crips, I can't remember which one.
Taylor was killed, not because of this warrant or this arrest, she was killed because she chose to live with, date, screw or whatever a serious piece of garbage. She was killed because this scumbag put her below his arrest. The Police did not kill her, yeah, it was their bullets, but her death is her fault and the fault of her man. I guess her black live did not matter to the other black in the house.
pjzwtl
.308 Win
This
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Him being a scumbag or her deciding to be with a scumbag is of no relevance. Bottom line, a no-knock or a knock and announcement at midnight when everyone is sleeping followed by a home invasion for getting a scumbag where it isn’t time vital is unnecessary when you put all occupants of the home in danger of being killed.
These dangerous, door breaking apprehensions are supposed to only be used during vital circumstances.
These dangerous, door breaking apprehensions are supposed to only be used during vital circumstances.
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
No knock warrants + Red Flag Bills = Chaos. You could
A). Keep no knock warrants but just like everything else in the world let it be limited to EMERGENCY SITUATION ONLY as in Life or Death.
Or
B). Get rid of it. I wouldn’t like someone coming on my property and bust my doors open. Regardless of badge, rank, motives you’re are getting a “failure to stop” drill with tracer rounds for you and your buddies.
A). Keep no knock warrants but just like everything else in the world let it be limited to EMERGENCY SITUATION ONLY as in Life or Death.
Or
B). Get rid of it. I wouldn’t like someone coming on my property and bust my doors open. Regardless of badge, rank, motives you’re are getting a “failure to stop” drill with tracer rounds for you and your buddies.
Posts like this show me that you have very little understanding about how great the evil in this Country really are. From this guys past, if the Police were to try a daytime arrest, the chances of it going smooth would be very slim. People's pasts matter. He was involved in a high speed chase years ago causing all type of damage. This was the best way to take him.
I am picking up what you are putting down. Makes no difference the time of day; someone walks on my property or knocks on my door, I have a gun with me.
If I see that it is the Police, the gun goes down.
In this case, the scum bag shot for two reasons (IMO), one, he knew for a fact that it was the Police and he thought it was a good opportunity to shoot them, or 2. He knew it was the Police and did not want to go to jail.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
According to his past, he had a clean record since he had a license to carry concealed. But that is neither here nor there or of any relevance if he was presumed dangerous or not to conduct a home invasion after midnight when everyone is sleeping for a drug warrant.
If it were something vital like a murderer, rapist, or escaped convict on the run that has showed violence then that would be different.
I cannot believe that people here who are for gun rights and private property rights would support these intrusions just because of the person it happened to. It obviously wasn’t worth it since it things turned out wrong and an unarmed, innocent person was killed and an officer shot during the forced break in.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Conjecture. No one can say that he knew it was the police. And if it happened to you for let’s say something you posted on the internet or a fake allegation by a neighbor, no one here on this forum would be able to say that you knew it was the State Police and fired anyway for breaking down your door and putting your family’s life in danger.
Whatever, I believe that 4 or 6 neighbors stated that they heard the Police announce themselves. Cop cars in front of the building...
Keep supporting the scum of America. I will not, now or ever.
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
I’m not aware of the full story of this young girl death so I’m not going to play “know it all” card because the media states one thing but we all know we can’t trust the media. I’m assuming no-knock warrants are used primarily in drug/self-incriminating evidence. Is the element of surprise really the best course of action when there’s a possibility of causing unwanted casualties? Don’t forget there might be other bystanders during the time of this maneuver. If no-knock warrants are ruled unconstitutional are officers unable to do their jobs? Probably make it more difficult but would it have a huge impact?
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Dude stop with BS. I’m not supporting him specifically and you know that. You know that it is the general, home invasions for non vital crimes that put all occupants of the dwelling in danger that is what I do not support.
You know what is being said here as evidenced by your response to @DrBleachCocktail ‘s post.
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
Don’t feel threatened or attacked I’m just simply having a debate but it’s commonly known that eye witness testimony are not accurate all the time.
They aren't getting these warrants for grandmas house. These are for the worst of the worst that society has to offer. They need to be hit hard and quick. Any deaths that occur are a direct result of their criminal operation. Don't want to get shot? Don't stand next to a drug dealer who is shooting at cops. Zero sympathy given for these scum bags. There is so much in this world that most people have no clue about. They are shielded from the realities. If they only knew the half of it, they would understand why these operations must be conducted.
They knocked and announced themselves.
You don't have to believe the media anymore on this one. In fact, you specifically shouldn't since nearly everything they spewed about this case from the beginning has been proven a lie by the courts. All of the evidence is now available if you so choose to view it.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Oh zip it already. You have shown time and time again to support excessive force because it is done by those you look up to. It does not matter if the excessive force is committed against a criminal or an innocent person. Excessive force is excessive force no matter who it is done to and it unnecessarily puts innocents in danger for no reason whatsoever setting precedent for it to be used for anything under the sun.
Shit. You and I only with no police training whatsoever can apprehend this dude if we put eyes on the door in an unmarked car when he leaves in the morning or afternoon without putting the other occupants of the home in danger and with minimal danger to ourselves. It happens everyday when papers are being served by regular people or when cops apprehend a domestic abuser who broke a court order everyday peacefully.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
At midnight and forced themselves inside an innocent woman’s home after a few minutes for a drug warrant resulting in her death.
pjzwtl
.308 Win
Just my own personal observation here but I have done standbys while no knock warrants were being carried out and once the door was breached in all cases I’ve seen PD announced themselves loud and clear.
And?
I know your opinion, don't bother reiterating it. The FACTS and LAWS of this particular case (ie, no analogy necessary) all point to a justified accidental death under the laws of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.