holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Thats how its done.
Russia started mass deportation of migrants after the terrorist attack at Crocusa
- Thread starter holdover
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MothMan
.338 Win Mag
I look forward to the day the purge of illegal invaders starts here.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
I'm liking Putin more and more!
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Well now.......isn't that a simple solution.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
He does a lot of stuff right.
He just needs to understand that Russia is just another country now and isn't a super power and isn't going to be one again anytime soon, then he'd be fine.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
They are a super power though.
They have the military and the resources. If they stepped up their manufacturing, they would be a powerhouse.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
If they stepped up their game they could be Germany.
Germany isn't a superpower.
They'd have to double their GDP in order to be California.
California isn't a superpower.
China isn't even a superpower, and Russia is a long long way from being China.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
What criteria are you using to determine "super power" status?
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Superpower - Wikipedia
Specifically...
Since the end of the cold war, the US has been the sole superpower in the world. There is currently no contender for a second super power.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
I think Russia and Chy-Na would take issue with that.Superpower - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Specifically...
Since the end of the cold war, the US has been the sole superpower in the world. There is currently no contender for a second super power.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Does anyone give a crap about what Russia's or China's position on the straight of Hormuz stuff is right now ?
But you know they're all looking at us not just for permission to act, but for the solution.
Ukraine is literally ours to give to Russia or save from them. We have the ability to choose which way that war goes. Nobody else on earth can do that.
Same with Taiwain if China decided to get frisky.
They cannot be superpowers if they need our consent for their adventures.
It's debatable if Russia even qualifies as a great power anymore after this Ukraine business, let alone a super power.
Far king
.357 mag
To bad this government won’t preempt a likely terrorist attack by deporting illegal immigrants before countless American lives are lost.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Probably sending them here on flights chartered by the Biden administration.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I think that window closed. Russia will take Ukraine and there isnt a dam thing the US can do about it anymore.
Haveing the largest nuclear arsenal in world says dont fuck with me . Even the US has to respect it
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Bingo!
Russia was always going to win their "war"...no matter how many people they have to sacrifice. They have more bodies to throw at the conflict than does Ukraine.
Both Zelensky and our Pentagon seem willing to fight to the last Ukranian. I don't care... as long as our people are not in the fight. Using Ukranian manpower and our surplus weaponry to degrade Russia is fine with me and good long term strategy for NATO.
Ukraine is already screwed. They will lose territory. They have already lost a good portion of their productive-age men (who would be future factory workers, soldiers, farmers, academicians, etc). They may never recover from that. They will be forevermore subject to immigrant invasion through pure population shifts and demographics.
OwnTheRide
.223 Rem
I think you're dead wrong. We could put an end to the whole thing quite quickly: deploy US troops in Ukraine.
I am not advocating for this action in any way, shape, or form. But if you wanted to see Putin tuck his tail and run, this is how. He cannot win, or even provide a decent challenge, in a conventional war with the US. His only way to put up the slightest fight would be to go nuclear, and he would handily lose there as well.
He's well aware of this, which is why he and his government were so quick to start talking about nukes as soon as the west got involved.
Now, invading and occupying Russia would be a whole different story. We're really no good at occupying even the tiniest of countries. But keeping him clear of Ukraine would be a very decisive thing, if we really wanted to.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Ummm...seriously?
I'm gonna take a pass on the opportunity to put American troops in harm's way, for a country that I don't care about, just to provoke Russia into a nuclear exchange.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
It would be quicker, cheaper and easier just to put the breaks on the gravy train.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Although, to be honest, we're getting a good ROI on the use of our "donated" weapons in degrading Russia's ability to engage in serious land incursions against NATO for the forseeable future.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
except for one thing, the size of the Russian army has tripled , the production rate has gone through the roof . their missile and tank production has tripled , They are now ahead of the west in drone technology and production. The US is producing 20,000 155 shells per month , the rate of fire required by Ukraine is 6000 155 rounds a day. The Russians are producing 200,000 a month and growing, the tank manufactured doubled from 200 T90's a month to 450 a month, Ukraine cant get or make any more tanks except in small batches , the lancet long range loitering drone is wreaking havoc on Ukraine and they are making them by the thousands .
And Im not getting any ROI only higher taxes . The foreseable future is that we will end up in a new cold war with Russia for no good reason . thats the best case scenario. Nobody is going to drive the Russians out of Ukraine. Ukraine has admitted they are critically low on air defense missiles, they were forced to move some batterys near the front from Kiev where they were destroyed . That left kiev open to a missile attack and The Russians saw the opportunity to kick em in the nuts .
The US will not send ground troops period. they may send aircraft , but no ground forces . and I doubt they do that .
Taliban would disagree with that assessment.
OwnTheRide
.223 Rem
You should have read past the first part of my post, then. Here's what you missed:
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Jesus, you too? FFS, guys, my post was not a novel. Here's the part that you didn't bother to read:
OwnTheRide
.223 Rem
Sure it would. But my post was not about strategizing what to do with Russia/Ukraine. It was pointing out that holdover's statement that the US couldn't do a damn thing about it was incorrect. We absolutely could stop Russia from taking over Ukraine. Whether or not we want to, or should, is a completely different topic.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
This seems highly unlikely.
T90s are not simple machines. It does not seem likely that Russian production infrastructure can produce anywhere near that number of modern tanks at that rate. Especially, with international high-tech embargoes.
That said, I'm no expert. So, I'm willing to read your sources. I'll do some research, too.
Edit:
‘A lot higher than we expected’: Russian arms production worries Europe’s war planners
Moscow has massively ramped up its industry, giving it advantages in Ukraine and leading to a redistribution of wealth
www.theguardian.com
Russian factories claimed to have delivered 1,500 main battle tanks this year, of which 1,180 to 1,280 had been reactivated from storage, according to IISS. Those numbers, along with reactivated armoured personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, meant Russia would “be able to sustain its assault on Ukraine at current attrition rates for another two to three years, and maybe even longer”, the group said.
Russian T-90 Factory able to produce 1000 Armored Tanks in a Year - Cosmos Chronicle
The Russian Army received another new batch of T-90M ‘Breakthrough’ tanks from the Uralvagonzavod factory on January 12, 2023 where assembly lines have reportedly been working around the clock to accelerate production amid the ongoing war effort in Ukraine. Uralvagonzavod (part of UVZ Group) has...
cosmoschronicle.com
The last T-90M batch was delivered to the Russian Army five months prior in August, with UVZ during the Soviet era having been capable of producing over 1000 similarly sized vehicles per year.
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Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Yup.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
The US could destroy every Russian armored vehicle and all air defense in range of Ukraine in a week without setting one foot on the ground.
That's how much of a disparity of force there is.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Your still living back in 1990. I guess your not aware they have the ability to jam GPS .Most of our missile technology is pretty old they have the most robust anti air defenses in the world.And the ability to counter strike before the missiles ever landed. It wouldn't go as easy you think .
spat
.700 Nitro Express
I think we're a *lot* better than we were in 1990. I don't think they are much better at all.
In 1991 we ended the 4th largest military in the world in a month, and we bombed the city that had the strongest air defense *in the world* with impunity using only F117s. They're like the model T of stealth aircraft.
Today we have 500 F35s to conduct those missions with.
The Russians haven't improved much at all.
No, a modern NATO air campaign into Ukraine would make Desert Storm look like a WWII raid.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Too bad they are sending them here.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Yep, I was gonna say he's deporting them on planes supplied by the Brandon crime family. They landed at Kennedy this afternoon.