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spat said:
The default is "we don't know".

Unless one or the other of the claims is widely improbable, then the default is "we don't know", and any claim otherwise, in *either* direction needs evidence.

In other cases where *both* options are widely improbable, then the default is also "we just don't know".
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The default is?
 
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Take it with a grain of salt:

Eugene Prigozhin published the first detailed statement after the suppression of the insurgency.
- The formal reason was the "intrigues", which would have led to the "disbandment of the PMCs" on July 1. According to him, PMCs began their march to protest. Columns of PMCs stopped a little over 200 kilometers away from Moscow - the total length of the march was 780 kilometers. At the moment when, according to him, the blood was ready to be spilled, the PMCs stopped.

- Prigozhin does not deny the fact of retaliatory strikes on the aircraft of the Russian Defense Ministry, explaining it by self-defense. As a result of strikes on PMCs, 30 Wagners were killed.

- Prigozhin confirmed that Lukashenko suggested the decision to keep the PMC "in their jurisdiction.
- According to him, the "march of justice" demonstrated the problems of the Russian Armed Forces and law enforcement agencies, while if the PMC had performed the tasks at the beginning of the UDF, the result would have been different ("we showed a result that the Russian army should have demonstrated.)

- The head of the Wagner PMC promotes a different point of view, different from Friday-Saturday: the march was an act of protest, not defiance. PMC showed a "master class" and was supported by all, but the Russian Armed Forces and security forces are weaker than the PMC. Not a single statement about Shoigu and Gerasimov was made.

Military camp for the "Wagner" PMC began to be built in Belarus - the media, citing the forestry of Mahiliou region
Information has already caused hysteria in the Kiev media. According to the media sources, there will be several camps. The first camp is allegedly planned in Osipovichi, Mogilev region (200 km from the border with Ukraine), its area is allegedly 24,000 square meters, it will be designed for 8,000 people. "We are working, we are already working today. Tomorrow before lunch is the task (to build)," said the interlocutor of the publication "Wurstka".

Opinion from the front about the introduction of multikam in the Russian army in the new VCPO: "We are now beginning to be transferred to the new uniform - multikam. Mixed feelings. First of all, shit, the armed forces of the Russian Federation are being switched to the uniform of the colors used by NATO. Is that normal? Come to think of it, during World War II they would have decided to switch from green to gray uniforms.
And then our assault troops were strictly forbidden to wear cartoons, so we wouldn't kill each other in the trenches. We're all dressed entirely in moss and pixel, you know, olive - "Gorka" I mean. Bandages are bandages, but you see cartoons and work on instinct.


Or, for example, there is no communication between units. Previously, if the multicam goes, then everything is immediately clear, you prepare for battle. And now you have to think about it, question them somehow. The Ukras, not the Ukras. I mean, perhaps such a decision was made for a reason, people thought, probably. But this approach can really make life harder for everyone. It is really dangerous for life.

Tarnavsky in the general staff of the AFU proposed to organize three crossings, one from Nikopol to Kamianka-Dneprovsk, the second Dudchan to Bolshaya Lepitikha, and the third from Bereslav to Kakhovka. Additionally, organize two landing operations downstream of Kakhovka from Kherson and Stanislav.

The United States is preparing a new package of military assistance to Ukraine, including: 30 M2 "Bradley" BMPs, 25 M1126 "Stryker" APCs, ammunition for M142 "HIMARS" MLRSs, MIM-104 "Patriot" SAMs, FGM-148 "Javelin" FIM-92 "Stinger"
 
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holdover said:
Take it with a grain of salt:

Eugene Prigozhin published the first detailed statement after the suppression of the insurgency.
- The formal reason was the "intrigues", which would have led to the "disbandment of the PMCs" on July 1. According to him, PMCs began their march to protest. Columns of PMCs stopped a little over 200 kilometers away from Moscow - the total length of the march was 780 kilometers. At the moment when, according to him, the blood was ready to be spilled, the PMCs stopped.

- Prigozhin does not deny the fact of retaliatory strikes on the aircraft of the Russian Defense Ministry, explaining it by self-defense. As a result of strikes on PMCs, 30 Wagners were killed.

- Prigozhin confirmed that Lukashenko suggested the decision to keep the PMC "in their jurisdiction.
- According to him, the "march of justice" demonstrated the problems of the Russian Armed Forces and law enforcement agencies, while if the PMC had performed the tasks at the beginning of the UDF, the result would have been different ("we showed a result that the Russian army should have demonstrated.)

- The head of the Wagner PMC promotes a different point of view, different from Friday-Saturday: the march was an act of protest, not defiance. PMC showed a "master class" and was supported by all, but the Russian Armed Forces and security forces are weaker than the PMC. Not a single statement about Shoigu and Gerasimov was made.

Military camp for the "Wagner" PMC began to be built in Belarus - the media, citing the forestry of Mahiliou region
Information has already caused hysteria in the Kiev media. According to the media sources, there will be several camps. The first camp is allegedly planned in Osipovichi, Mogilev region (200 km from the border with Ukraine), its area is allegedly 24,000 square meters, it will be designed for 8,000 people. "We are working, we are already working today. Tomorrow before lunch is the task (to build)," said the interlocutor of the publication "Wurstka".

Opinion from the front about the introduction of multikam in the Russian army in the new VCPO: "We are now beginning to be transferred to the new uniform - multikam. Mixed feelings. First of all, shit, the armed forces of the Russian Federation are being switched to the uniform of the colors used by NATO. Is that normal? Come to think of it, during World War II they would have decided to switch from green to gray uniforms.
And then our assault troops were strictly forbidden to wear cartoons, so we wouldn't kill each other in the trenches. We're all dressed entirely in moss and pixel, you know, olive - "Gorka" I mean. Bandages are bandages, but you see cartoons and work on instinct.


Or, for example, there is no communication between units. Previously, if the multicam goes, then everything is immediately clear, you prepare for battle. And now you have to think about it, question them somehow. The Ukras, not the Ukras. I mean, perhaps such a decision was made for a reason, people thought, probably. But this approach can really make life harder for everyone. It is really dangerous for life.

Tarnavsky in the general staff of the AFU proposed to organize three crossings, one from Nikopol to Kamianka-Dneprovsk, the second Dudchan to Bolshaya Lepitikha, and the third from Bereslav to Kakhovka. Additionally, organize two landing operations downstream of Kakhovka from Kherson and Stanislav.

The United States is preparing a new package of military assistance to Ukraine, including: 30 M2 "Bradley" BMPs, 25 M1126 "Stryker" APCs, ammunition for M142 "HIMARS" MLRSs, MIM-104 "Patriot" SAMs, FGM-148 "Javelin" FIM-92 "Stinger"
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In short, Wagner moved thousand of troops to within 65 kilometers of Kiev without one single move by Ukraine or NATO. Why? I'll tell you. Prigozhin was paid off and turned into a double agent. lol

IMHO, it was all a rouse and a brilliant one. The West believes it own BS that Putin's regime is weak and ripe to be replaced. It isn't weak at all. Prigozhin would be dead if the this was real. All actions, and I mean all, were done to sell it to the western intelligence agencies as they would sit back and wait for their plan to be executed by Prigozhin. All the while Wagner would move over 1000 Km to Belerus and just north of Zelensky. Two fronts. Putin now knows who he can trust in his administration and who he can't. All made possible by the same feckless intelligence agencies that struggled with people in pajamas and slippers. The same agencies that orchestrated the 2014 Ukraine government overthrow and started the ethic cleansing aka civil war in Ukraine that went on for 8 years before Putin stepped in. We have loose cannons driving us to WW3.
 
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