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Xae289 said:
That is something I'm considering as well. It would be a brilliant trap to get Ukraine to play their best cards hastily, then come back with a powerful counter-attack.

My other suspicion is that the PMC is a mercenary company. "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet". At the end of the day, mercenaries have mercenary loyalties. Did Prigozhin sell out to the high bidder?

What I presented in my last post was the face-value situation. I definitely don't take this situation at face-value, but I don't know enough to have a real opinion on what the truth of the matter is.
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Nobody really does, Ive heard :
claims that 2000 men were killed by Russian missile strikes
Wagner has taken Rostov.
wagner shot down a russian helicopter
internet is down in Moscow/ Russia

Ive have not seen or heard any confirmation of casualties
I ve hve not seen Russian military engaugeing or setting up roadblocks or defense
Ive not seen Wagner hit by missiles or artillery
I have not seen Russian politicians condemn or confirm this.

Then I have to consider that 2000 men were killed but the main target, Prigozhin , is OK.

I have to consider that Prigozhin could have been lured into a meeting and simply arrested rather than a missle strike on Wagner.

I have to consider that Prigozhin was lureing Ukraine into Bakhmut by claiming his men were out of ammo , (which I thought was pretty strange at the time)

I have to consider that Prigozhin , being a good military man , would understand that he is out numbered 50 to 1 or better. and has no supplies to carry out any kind of long term operation.

then I have to consider is it a ploy to feign weakness, to entice Ukraine into a hasty attack ? I dont know. Its classic Genghis Khan if it is .

I dont know for sure, this could be legit or an attempt by outside forces . I m just suspicious of what Im seeing and not seeing
 
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holdover said:
Nobody really does, Ive heard :
claims that 2000 men were killed by Russian missile strikes
Wagner has taken Rostov.
wagner shot down a russian helicopter
internet is down in Moscow/ Russia

Ive have not seen or heard any confirmation of casualties
I ve hve not seen Russian military engaugeing or setting up roadblocks or defense
Ive not seen Wagner hit by missiles or artillery
I have not seen Russian politicians condemn or confirm this.

Then I have to consider that 2000 men were killed but the main target, Prigozhin , is OK.

I have to consider that Prigozhin could have been lured into a meeting and simply arrested rather than a missle strike on Wagner.

I have to consider that Prigozhin was lureing Ukraine into Bakhmut by claiming his men were out of ammo , (which I thought was pretty strange at the time)

I have to consider that Prigozhin , being a good military man , would understand that he is out numbered 50 to 1 or better. and has no supplies to carry out any kind of long term operation.

then I have to consider is it a ploy to feign weakness, to entice Ukraine into a hasty attack ? I dont know. Its classic Genghis Khan if it is .

I dont know for sure, this could be legit or an attempt by outside forces . I m just suspicious of what Im seeing and not seeing
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Does sound a bit strange to mount a coup with little ammo and supplies.
 
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ArmedCorgi said:
Any chance we are behind this?
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I wouldn't put it past us to have fired the missiles and programmed them to fly around and attack the Wagners from behind.

I don't think that's what happened, but I wouldn't put it past us.

I can also see the Russian military convincing themselves the Wagners were going to stage an coup and tried to stage a pre-emptive attack too.

It's very hard to tell what's going on, and we probably won't know until it's old enough they're teaching it as history.
 
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Xae289 said:
That is something I'm considering as well. It would be a brilliant trap to get Ukraine to play their best cards hastily, then come back with a powerful counter-attack.

My other suspicion is that the PMC is a mercenary company. "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet". At the end of the day, mercenaries have mercenary loyalties. Did Prigozhin sell out to the high bidder?

What I presented in my last post was the face-value situation. I definitely don't take this situation at face-value, but I don't know enough to have a real opinion on what the truth of the matter is.
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I imagine it wouldn't take more than a few billion to pay them off.

minus 10% for the big guy of course.

Would be real interesting if Zelensky had done it out of funds he siphoned off, and he screwed the Biden plan to keep the fighting (and looting) going on indefinitely.
 
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lrick said:
If this is legit it's turning into one expensive head fake false flag.
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We have to take it slow, those could be Uki choppers shot down a week a go . No confirmation yet.

things are weird, they are telling us Russian internet is down then showing us pictures and videos posted . Something about this whole thing stinks,

Putin came on and addressed the whole thing, but none of it was translated yet. smells bad.
 
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holdover said:
We have to take it slow, those could be Uki choppers shot down a week a go . No confirmation yet.

things are weird, they are telling us Russian internet is down then showing us pictures and videos posted . Something about this whole thing stinks,

Putin came on and addressed the whole thing, but none of it was translated yet. smells bad.
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I was wondering about that also, but didn't want to discount the possibility that some of these tweets could be second hand sources, not necessarily behind Russian lines. If Chinese can smuggle info out of China, I imagine Russians can do the same.

Certainly anything is possible.
 
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Well, that YouTube channel appears to have a long history of being a Ukraine fan channel so I'll ignore it for now as 99% of Ukraine fan channels have been 100% wrong in their assessment of the conflict to date.

I think we have seen type of deception before with the Russia/Ukraine conflict. Ukraine has been probing Russian defensive lines now for a few weeks without success or real commitment. Not sure Ukraine will be led into it a 2nd time. Anything is possible. Popcorn is ready.:ROFL:
 
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UPDATE 1:55 PM EDT-- PRIGOZHIN: "Never-Mind. Rebellion Canceled" Russia Descending into Civil War; Putin addresses nation - "Treason" "Mutiny" -- US/NATO Nuclear First-Strike if Wagner gets Russian nukes. RuAF BOMBS Wagner PMC Convoys

Overnight, extraordinary developments took place inside Russia, leading many to conclude an actual Civil War is erupting there. A Military Base and...
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Just to reiterate, there are rumors that it's likely Wagner has taken over a Russian air force strategic base. The base houses bombers and nukes. Russia is potentially not in control of nukes within their border. This is a really really big deal.

Lol it's essentially the plot of the original call of duty modern warfare. Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction.
 
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