JosERW
.40 S&W
Honestly its only a matter of time. We desperately need to have unsafe overturned at SCOTUS in addition to CA's handgun roster, microstamping and ammunition regulations. Its not if, its when as far as those things happening here.
Safe Act part II introduced
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JosERW
.40 S&W
Unfortunately you're right. After unsafe I thought people would resist. I was wrong. They are more than happy to comply.
There were some efforts i.e., protests, county oppositions etc...but this state is screwed .....plain and simple. Their agenda for this state is set and well on the way towards it. They will not be able to fix the welfare handouts, high taxes, illegal sanctuary shit, death of the upstate economy. They accomplished their goal of majority votes here. People are leaving....our types....who cast opposing votes. No meaningful change down the road coming our way. Even if we get a win at SCOTUS....lets even say dreaming now,....Constitutional Carry....that wont fix all the other problems that are choking this place.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You have no idea the number of people that resist verses comply, but the number of guns registered verses the estimated number in this state may be a good indication. Besides, why should anyone stick their neck out? As we have seen already the gun community will not support you and in fact will ridicule and mock you as stupid if caught.
Don't worry, be happy, pass the bread we're on the way to the circus!!!!
Robin
Jsmegs77
.308 Win
Perhaps this will create a business opportunity for firing pins that stamp messages into the spent primers. I'm going with "Fuck Off Andy" for mine...
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I thought we had someone here who was supposed to post an actual, doable, likely-to-succeed Plan for Victory a few days ago?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I'm in. Awaiting my reporting instructions.
Because most guns that are used in crimes are actually used by their original owner.NO. They are stolen! Do you think that micro stamping would be any real help? Because the guys that are using guns for crimes will make sure the gun they are about to shoot someone with is prior to 2018. Or they could just use a revolver and not leave any brass lol. These people are a bunch of asshats!
vanderblack
.357 mag
Microstamping is going to be a hard sell and easily overturned unless it is on a national level. If it were to go into law in NY and nowhere else, manufacturers are unlikely to alter manufacturing to include the feature. As a result, no guns would be legal to sell in NY. The courts (even as liberal as a lot are) would have no choice but to declare it prevented NYer's from buying guns defacto.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I wouldn't bet on that. You're using logic. Logic has never been used when legislating against firearms in New York.
vanderblack
.357 mag
Maybe but it would be prime for the supreme court and maybe, while they were at it they would take a look at all of the fake laws in NY..
Microstamping has slowly widdled down Cali's "approved" firearms list and will continue to until it hits zero or a miracle happens. Don't think it can't happen here!
Justincase
.308 Win
Have any of the dimwits considered how easy it would be to grind off any microstamp even if a manufacturer was able to make one that would last more than a couple hundred rounds?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That would be illegal!
JosERW
.40 S&W
I thought Heller protected firearms in common use too. Nothing will change until the Supreme Court makes courts apply strict scrutiny to the Second Amendment.
JosERW
.40 S&W
I completely understand people wanting to stay out of jail but modifying IS complying. Maybe it is different upstate but on LI everyone is loving their fixed mag AR's. It is as if the unsafe act didn't even happen.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It's the same here. At least in the Hudson Valley. I'm not going to say people love it, but they'll fix it to legally shoot it at the range and drive around with it. To do otherwise and "NOT COMPLY" is a asinine. That does nothing for the cause except put one more gun owner behind bars and strip his right to vote.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Please remember, the original California legislation from 2007 (which was put on hold, but had the hold removed in 2013, and allowed to take effect in 2017) did not only refer to firing pins. Their law required etching of information in "2 or more places" inside the pistol that are "transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired." How this works? I'm not sure. But, it sounds like more mechanical parts that will be subject to failure and which will certainly raise firearm prices.
Bill Text - AB-1471 Firearms: microstamping.
Bill Text - AB-1471 Firearms: microstamping.
AB 1471, Feuer. Firearms: microstamping.
Existing law defines unsafe handguns as failing to pass certain tests, or lacking certain features, as specified.
This bill, the Crime Gun Identification Act of 2007, would, commencing January 1, 2010, expand the definition of “unsafe handgun” to include semiautomatic pistols that are not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched in 2 or more places on the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and that are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired. Those provisions would be subject to specified certification procedures by the Department of Justice regarding the use of that technology.
Existing law defines unsafe handguns as failing to pass certain tests, or lacking certain features, as specified.
This bill, the Crime Gun Identification Act of 2007, would, commencing January 1, 2010, expand the definition of “unsafe handgun” to include semiautomatic pistols that are not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched in 2 or more places on the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and that are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired. Those provisions would be subject to specified certification procedures by the Department of Justice regarding the use of that technology.
RDN
.357 mag
When guns are outlawed, then only outlaws will have guns.
You can introduce and pass all the gun bans you want. Blame the weapon/tool.
You want gun control? What about people control? How do you control intent? If someone intends on hurting/killing another, there's nothing you can do about it.
You gave us unSAFE act. The NY gun community found ways around it.
You banned semi-auto rifles w/pistol grips. We just change the style, ergonomics of the lower receiver.
You banned online purchases of ammo. We just get it out of state. (and cheaper)
You limit us to 10rd magazines. We just carry extra mags.
You can introduce and pass all the gun bans you want. Blame the weapon/tool.
You want gun control? What about people control? How do you control intent? If someone intends on hurting/killing another, there's nothing you can do about it.
You gave us unSAFE act. The NY gun community found ways around it.
You banned semi-auto rifles w/pistol grips. We just change the style, ergonomics of the lower receiver.
You banned online purchases of ammo. We just get it out of state. (and cheaper)
You limit us to 10rd magazines. We just carry extra mags.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Yes, but having a drawer full of new firing pins isn't. Or are they going to start requiring an FFL and full inventory tracking for all parts too ?That would be illegal!
Not that the criminals are going to care. Itso a lot easier to take a nail file to a firing pin than remove a serial from a receiver.
Or just use a revolver TBH. Will they require microstamping too lol ?
Brass catchers, the new hottest accessory in the hood. People will start putting them on everything. You'll see guys walking around with a 40oz with a brass catcher attached.
Won't stop the shooting, but it will cut down on littering lol.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
They are only a couple years from 0.
At that point the last of the legal battles before the cartridge box will happen IMHO.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Didn't we just have a thread about carrying a revolver?
Every time I hear some lib say "Oh, come on, NOBODY is coming to take your guns!"
No shit. That has never been the issue. Eliminating them is.
I like to tell them that the problem is you think we are stupid enough to mean "doorkicking, house by house" when we say they're taking our guns. The left has a very skewed view of the intelligence of anyone who disagrees with them.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I have no skewed view of their intelligence, however. The Left is comprised of drone-like masses, with no knowledge of history, that parrot the demagogic screed of their all-for-us leadership while incoherently pining for privacy while voting for an all-pervasive massive central government to serve as their surrogate parent.
A bunch of goddamn educated political morons who cheer on fascist instigators that quash our freedom of speech while professing to oppose that which they actually embody.
S
stuck in ny
Guest
If all guns were magically gone and then the government crumbled we would have slamfire singleshots (yank the barrel back onto a fixed pin) withing 30 minutes and sten type smgs within 72 hours.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
And no doubt a felony with 10 years mandatory jail time for each firearm tampered with. ... For the children you know .That would be illegal!
Elwood
.223 Rem
I wouldn't exactly say that, alot of people are keeping a low profile these days, but far from capitulation