SCOTUS Case Right to Carry Firearm for Self Defense

[Chevusa]

I've been paying attention to the general lack of spine and intestinal fortitude in all but two of our SCOTUS justices.

Three of the justices are outright Liberal Progressive hacks. One of the justices is an outright pretend constitutionalist. The three most recently appointed justices are afraid for their own lives and are apparently easily swayed by mob threats. So...there are only two justices who will stand for the constitution at all times. For the sake of our nation, that just will not be sufficient.

I see you've disregarded the direct statements ive provided. Time will tell, but I'll take them by their statements and prior rulings.

Nobody was going to touch the election thing. There was just no widespread evidence. If it was overturned the country would have burned or worse.

This 2A case (which they just voted to hear - they didn't vote to for no reason), has nothing to do with the election case.

 

[BerettaGuy]

Are you sure other states done have this??

positive!!

 

[Chevusa]

I just found this: They are hearing the case today.

They just voted to take the case yesterday... They won't be hearing it today lol. All articles I read say look for the case in the fall.

 

[BerettaGuy]

OH yeah. PBS ,must be replaying the original motion.

 

[GOPerfect]

I cannot even find the want to care about this case.

I am not going to have feel good moments about this.

I am not a Debbie downer either, I just can't find a reason to care.

 

[FRB]

And, a credit score over 800

822 here, I am good to go with that,

 

[Chevusa]

822 here, I am good to go with that,

NOt to rain on your parade, but there are 3 different reporting agencies and on top of that there are different models within them that weigh certain things differently.

Oh and you don't get to decide what bureau is pulled. Lenders will use who they want and the formula (model) that they have decided works best for them. I've seen spreads of hundreds of points on the same person on different bureaus.

So to say you're an 822 isn't true and doesn't really even make sense to people in the know in the finance industry.
Just saying.

 

[GOPerfect]

NOt to rain on your parade, but there are 3 different reporting agencies and on top of that there are different models within them that weigh certain things differently.

Oh and you don't get to decide what bureau is pulled. Lenders will use who they want and the formula (model) that they have decided works best for them. I've seen spreads of hundreds of points on the same person on different bureaus.

Just saying.

I've seen spreads of hundreds of points on the same person on different bureaus.


I would need to see prove of this. Hundreds of points difference? C'mon now....

 

[FRB]

NOt to rain on your parade, but there are 3 different reporting agencies and on top of that there are different models within them that weigh certain things differently.

Oh and you don't get to decide what bureau is pulled. Lenders will use who they want and the formula (model) that they have decided works best for them. I've seen spreads of hundreds of points on the same person on different bureaus.

Just saying.

hahahaha he's back. How do you know I did not average all three. You just could not help yourself to interject debate when I was just making light of it.

 

[BerettaGuy]

Yup I see that now.

No. 20-843
Title:	New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc., et al., Petitioners v. Keith M. Corlett, in His Official Capacity as Superintendent of New York State Police, et al.
Docketed:	December 23, 2020
Lower Ct:	United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit
Case Numbers:	(19-156)
Decision Date:	August 26, 2020

 

[FRB]

So to say you're an 822 isn't true and doesn't really even make sense to people in the know in the finance industry.
Just saying.

You be the "in the know" or expert in the finance industry eh? Me just a Controller for 5 years and a Treasurer for 30, but what do I know? Just a rummy compared to an expert in the "finance industry."


Back to your regularly scheduled program...

Like someone else said, hope for the best in this case but prepare for the worst. As in all things life.

 

[Chevusa]

I've seen spreads of hundreds of points on the same person on different bureaus.


I would need to see prove of this. Hundreds of points difference? C'mon now....

Can't really do that for obvious reasons. I've seen it though.

I had one that didn't even show a guy's mortgage!! I had to get the analyst to agree to look at a different bureau. I had to run it and fax it over to them. Guy was declined, and I was able to get him approved for a loan after my efforts. He couldn't believe he was declined. We sat down and figured it out though.

 

[Chevusa]

You be the "in the know" or expert in the finance industry eh? Me just a Controller for 5 years and a Treasurer for 30, but what do I know? Just a rummy compared to an expert in the "finance industry."


Back to your regularly scheduled program...

Like someone else said, hope for the best in this case but prepare for the worst. As in all things life.

What does a controller and treasurer have to do with lending institutions and credit reporting agencies? How about bureau models? Please be specific.

 

[Edwardteach72]

hahahaha he's back. How do you know I did not average all three. You just could not help yourself to interject debate when I was just making light of it.

Because you are not a financial expert.

He clearly is

 

[Chevusa]

hahahaha he's back. How do you know I did not average all three. You just could not help yourself to interject debate when I was just making light of it.

Average all 3? Not to get picky but you've just shown your hand. There aren't "3". There are 3 reporting agencies. Within those 3 there are countless models and they will all weigh and score out differently.
I guess the treasurer doesn't know this stuff after all..
Carry on.

 

[Edwardteach72]

 

[dwa12479]

Even if that happened the court cannot rule against itself down the road.

SCOTUS can overturn their own decisions. Its very rare, but does happen.

 

[GOPerfect]

Average all 3? Not to get picky but you've just shown your hand. There aren't "3". There are 3 reporting agencies. Within those 3 there are countless models and they will all weigh and score out differently.
I guess the treasurer doesn't know this stuff after all..
Carry on.

Wow.

 

[FRB]

Oh boy, laughing out loud for real...... ... like I said just a rummy, I bow to your expertise. Now can be get this train back on track please.

 

[Phazer]

This is the kind of rhetoric that we can expect until this case is finally heard.

The Leftist mobs will insist, without any hard data (of course), that allowing law-abiding citizens to legally bear arms will increase crime.

From Bloomberg (distributed by Newsmax):

States Concerned Supreme Court Gun Case Undermines Local Gun Control

The U.S. Supreme Court's decision to examine a New York law barring people from carrying guns outside their homes could weaken state-level efforts to curb violence after a slew of mass shootings. The announcement Monday drew angst from New York City's mayor and gun-control...

www.newsmax.com

 

[dwa12479]

Are you sure other states done have this??

NY is the only state in the US in which you must have a permit to purchase a handgun. Any other states that have permitting systems only deals with carry. Every other state in the country you can buy a handgun no differently than a long gun in that state. Places like Illinois have a FOID card, but thats needed for any gunnor ammo, so it doesn't specifically single out handguns like NY.

 

[Edwardteach72]

NY is the only state in the US in which you must have a permit to purchase a handgun. Any other states that have permitting systems only deals with carry. Every other state in the country you can buy a handgun no differently than a long gun in that state. Places like Illinois have a FOID card, but thats needed for any gunnor ammo, so it doesn't specifically single out handguns like NY.

So If I was a NJ resident I wouldn't need a permit to buy a handgun in NJ

 

[IrishMick]

Other states do not have what NY has. Like I said. Only in NY do you have to have a Permit to Carry Concealed just to own, touch, use, or possess a handgun. And then to top it off, a state registry of make - model and serial number. In other states, you get a permit to CCW but they don't know what you own or carry.
That is why I call it a "scheme" it is a catch 22. Do you want a handgun? You must have a Concealed Carry Permit. Do you want to Carry Concealed? Tell us why and we will decide if your reason is valid

I have been saying this for years. The SCOTUS has ruled, as far as I can tell, that the right to keep a handgun in the home is definitely a protected right. The intertwining of the right to own and the right to carry as well as the "may issue" of the Sullivan Act has violated the ruling by the court to possess a gun in the home. Why has this never been attacked legally? It seems clear to me that the ability to own a handgun for home defense is violated by the continued use of the Sullivan Act. While the ruling did state that reasonable permitting can be required, the unmitigated bullshit a citizen is required to undergo to obtain a permit (if the licensing official deigns it) clearly is contrary to the ruling.

 

[fresch]

Thinking all security details need to be removed at all state/ federal jobs, they can defend themselves like us if they can show need.

 

[dwa12479]

So If I was a NJ resident I wouldn't need a permit to buy a handgun in NJ

Last I knew they had a FOID system similar to Illinois and had an additional form filled out for each handgun, but no actual handgun specific permit like NY.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Last I knew they had a FOID system similar to Illinois and had an additional form filled out for each handgun, but no actual handgun specific permit like NY.

Last I checked their "foid" type thing is for long guns and then a permit for handguns

 

[GOPerfect]

NY is the only state in the US in which you must have a permit to purchase a handgun. Any other states that have permitting systems only deals with carry. Every other state in the country you can buy a handgun no differently than a long gun in that state. Places like Illinois have a FOID card, but thats needed for any gunnor ammo, so it doesn't specifically single out handguns like NY.

Permit to Acquire

If you wish to acquire a handgun or wish to acquire a shotgun or rifle for the first time, you must be at least 21 years old and a United States citizen. You must apply for a permit to acquire a firearm. If you were not born in the United States, you would need to provide proof of U.S. citizenship.

This is for Hawaii

 

[dwa12479]

Permit to Acquire

If you wish to acquire a handgun or wish to acquire a shotgun or rifle for the first time, you must be at least 21 years old and a United States citizen. You must apply for a permit to acquire a firearm. If you were not born in the United States, you would need to provide proof of U.S. citizenship.

This is for Hawaii

Right, but they need special permission for ANY gun, not just a handgun. Yes?

NY has no special requirements for long guns, any non-prohinited person can buy one. Only for handguns does a NY resident need special permission.

 

[dwa12479]

Last I checked their "foid" type thing is for long guns and then a permit for handguns

A Permit to Purchase a Handgun must be completed for each handgun transferred in this state. It is the responsibility of the seller of the handgun to ascertain that the buyer has a valid Permit to Purchase a Handgun and one additional form of identification. The information on the Handgun Purchase Permit must match the identification of the transferor. ( i.e, name address, DOB, sex, etc.) The permit must be completed by the seller and buyer. It is the responsibility of the seller to forward the copies to the appropriate authority. Instructions are printed on the permit. *All firearms transactions must be completed at a State licensed retail firearms dealer with the exemption of transactions between a) members of an immediate family b) law enforcement officers c) collectors in possession of a valid Collector of Curios and Relics License issued by the Bureau

Ok, they're calling it a "permit".
I read this as being similar to amendments here, as it needs to be done for every handgun transferred. But I fail to see a scenario in which you'd be authorized to buy a long gun but denied a handgun as long as you have a NJ FOID. Thats what NY does that's unique, and no one else does.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Ok, they're calling it a "permit".
I read this as being similar to amendments here, as it needs to be done for every handgun transferred. But I fail to see a scenario in which you'd be authorized to buy a long gun but denied a handgun as long as you have a NJ FOID. Thats what NY does that's unique, and no one else does.

No I know but just trying to figure out all the situations and what not