Secret Service report on school shootings

[freddy]

[Columbine report, 2002]

Secret Service report on school shootings
A United States Secret Service study concluded that schools were placing false hope in physical security, when they should be paying more attention to the pre-attack behaviors of students. Zero-tolerance policies and metal detectors "are unlikely to be helpful," the Secret Service researchers found. The researchers focused on questions concerning the reliance on SWAT teams when most attacks are over before police arrive, profiling of students who show warning signs in the absence of a definitive profile, expulsion of students for minor infractions when expulsion is the spark that push some to return to school with a gun, buying software not based on school shooting studies to evaluate threats although killers rarely make direct threats, and reliance on metal detectors and police officers in schools when shooters often make no effort to conceal their weapons.[125]

In May 2002, the Secret Service published a report that examined 37 U.S. school shootings. They had the following findings:

• Incidents of targeted violence at school were rarely sudden, impulsive acts.
• Prior to most incidents, other people knew about the attacker's idea and/or plan to attack.
• Most attackers did not threaten their targets directly prior to advancing the attack.
• There is no accurate or useful profile of students who engaged in targeted school violence.
• Most attackers engaged in some behavior prior to the incident that caused others concern or indicated a need for help.
• Most attackers had difficulty coping with significant losses or personal failures. Moreover, many had considered or attempted suicide.
• Many attackers felt bullied, persecuted, or injured by others prior to the attack.
• Most attackers had access to and had used weapons prior to the attack.
• In many cases, other students were involved in some capacity.
• Despite prompt law enforcement responses, most shooting incidents were stopped by means other than law enforcement intervention.[126]

Columbine High School massacre - Wikipedia

 

[CaseHardened]

Obviously the latest murder spree conducted by a REGISTERED DEMOCRAT did not meet every criteria, but they never will.

Excellent Effort, CAVEMAN.

 

[holdover]

""false hope in physical security, ""Ok tell me again why the secret service uses weapons to protect the president .
or why police carry weapons to protect themselves.

 

[99cummins]

""false hope in physical security, ""Ok tell me again why the secret service uses weapons to protect the president .
or why police carry weapons to protect themselves.

I agree with you but devils advocate for a minute.....maybe they found that every school shooter threw up a bunch of red flags prior to the shooting that were ignored and that preventing shootings is more effective than defending against them.

 

[kev74]

""false hope in physical security, ""Ok tell me again why the secret service uses weapons to protect the president .
or why police carry weapons to protect themselves.

I took "physical security" to mean locked doors, intercoms and cameras - not guns. And I agree they are ineffective.

 

[freddy]

I took "physical security" to mean locked doors, intercoms and cameras - not guns. And I agree they are ineffective.

Yes, I believe this is correct.

 

[holdover]

Maybe your right, It seemed so obvious to me that it wouldn't even require mentioning .I took it to mean physical security to be physically armed.

 

[holdover]

But let me add that trying to catch a criminal before he commits a crime is setting yourself up for failure.

 

[Podmonkey]

But let me add that trying to catch a criminal before he commits a crime is setting yourself up for failure.

What they are getting at here is that the kind of person that would do a thing like this is different than the person that knocks over a convenience store. This report indicates what has already been said by the students. There are red flags, warning signs. People knew this might happen and did nothing. The reason why they did nothing is because they didn't know what to do about it. There is no protocol. "Zero Tolerance" policies are a joke, I can absolutely see how harsh punishment for bs infractions may trigger a similarly disproportionate response. We already know how to identify troubled people, we know what conditions can cause these destructive tendencies. What we don't know are what corrective actions to take. I have heard some good suggestions though. I think that upon identification the subject should be removed and isolated for evaluation, I do not belive this should be done in a punitive manner but in a caring way. The stigma on metal health needs to be removed to make it easier for people to seek and accept care when they need it. This kid that did this horrible thing should have been removed and placed into a mental healtg care facility so they could figure out what his deal was and how to address his issues. Some peolle however are fundamentally broken. So how do we seperate such individuals out from society without stigamtizing those that can be treated and returned into the population? How do we tell the difference. Those are the questions. The modern way of living is isolating people in plain view, we talk to eveyone, everywhere, all the time but we know no one, are freinds with no one. Neighbors live next to each other for years without ever even speaking to each other nowdays. We are going to have reconcile the the unintended consequences of the age of information overload or this type of thing will continue to become more frequent.
It is also important to understand that events like this have always happened, in every age and in every society, regardless of the means. Its the human condition.

 

[CaseHardened]

What they are getting at here is that the kind of person that would do a thing like this is different than the person that knocks over a convenience store. This report indicates what has already been said by the students. There are red flags, warning signs. People knew this might happen and did nothing. The reason why they did nothing is because they didn't know what to do about it. There is no protocol. "Zero Tolerance" policies are a joke, I can absolutely see how harsh punishment for bs infractions may trigger a similarly disproportionate response. We already know how to identify troubled people, we know what conditions can cause these destructive tendencies. What we don't know are what corrective actions to take. I have heard some good suggestions though. I think that upon identification the subject should be removed and isolated for evaluation, I do not belive this should be done in a punitive manner but in a caring way. The stigma on metal health needs to be removed to make it easier for people to seek and accept care when they need it. This kid that did this horrible thing should have been removed and placed into a mental healtg care facility so they could figure out what his deal was and how to address his issues. Some peolle however are fundamentally broken. So how do we seperate such individuals out from society without stigamtizing those that can be treated and returned into the population? How do we tell the difference. Those are the questions. The modern way of living is isolating people in plain view, we talk to eveyone, everywhere, all the time but we know no one, are freinds with no one. Neighbors live next to each other for years without ever even speaking to each other nowdays. We are going to have reconcile the the unintended consequences of the age of information overload or this type of thing will continue to become more frequent.
It is also important to understand that events like this have always happened, in every age and in every society, regardless of the means. Its the human condition.

YES

Don't forget one of Cruz's "Warning Signs" was he liked to talk about guns.

 

[Podmonkey]

YES

Don't forget one of Cruz's "Warning Signs" was he liked to talk about guns.

That, by itself, is not a warning sign. The possibility that he may have held a gun to somone's head is.
Other threads are making it clear that police, and political corruption motivated by the securing of federal funding are major contributing causes to this incident. This kid sounds like he was a real peice of shit, doesn't change that fact he was hurting from the loss of his mother. He should have been scooped up for intervention long ago but was not so as to satisfy the twisted ends of corrupt individuals. This whole sad affair is a microcosm of this Nation's corrupted soul.

 

[CaseHardened]

That, by itself, is not a warning sign. The possibility that he may have held a gun to somone's head is.
Other threads are making it clear that police, and political corruption motivated by the securing of federal funding are major contributing causes to this incident. This kid sounds like he was a real peice of shit, doesn't change that fact he was hurting from the loss of his mother. He should have been scooped up for intervention long ago but was not so as to satisfy the twisted ends of corrupt individuals. This whole sad affair is a microcosm of this Nation's corrupted soul.

YES

But to the MoonBats "Talking about Guns" is a Total Trigger.

I've not heard of this, but I'd not be a bit surprised to hear of a Student - even a College Student - getting into a jam simply for bringing an issue of the NRA's AMERICAN RIFLEMAN into school.

Remember the child who was suspended for chewing a POP TART GUN ?

Pop-Tart gun suspension upheld by Maryland judge

 

[Cooolone]

If history has taught us anything, it's that "anyone" can be killed!

Michael Corleone


All your planning, all you hypothesizing, all your mental superiority cannot account for the methodical sinister determination of a person looking to commit atrocious acts upon helpless victims! Best you could do would be to dispense with formality, and the misplaced idea that we are "civil" and provide vicious prejudicial retaliation (immediate) to any perpetrators, yes, execution on the spot, with their body hung on a nearby street sign until it falls apart as a warning to others! Instead, the media makes these miscreants celebrities... This kid in Florida... How the hell was he taken alive? And he wants a deal? How quaint! Let him chose firing squad or drinking bleach! That's a deal!

But the notion that this is preventable... Just lmfao! Yeah, ok!

 

[Podmonkey]

If history has taught us anything, it's that "anyone" can be killed!

Michael Corleone


All your planning, all you hypothesizing, all your mental superiority cannot account for the methodical sinister determination of a person looking to commit atrocious acts upon helpless victims! Best you could do would be to dispense with formality, and the misplaced idea that we are "civil" and provide vicious prejudicial retaliation (immediate) to any perpetrators, yes, execution on the spot, with their body hung on a nearby street sign until it falls apart as a warning to others! Instead, the media makes these miscreants celebrities... This kid in Florida... How the hell was he taken alive? And he wants a deal? How quaint! Let him chose firing squad or drinking bleach! That's a deal!

But the notion that this is preventable... Just lmfao! Yeah, ok!

Well this particular incident sure seems like it was preventable and thats the stink of it.

 

[CaseHardened]

Well this particular incident sure seems like it was preventable and thats the stink of it.

Easily preventable.

Identifying Mentally Ill Persons is a difficult to impossible task. IMHO the vast majority of Liberals qualify - and I am not joking.

But ARMING TEACHERS, that wish to carry, is simple, sensible, and potentially would have either deterred Nikolas Cruz, or stopped him cold.

 

[Podmonkey]

Its not even about actively arming teachers as every one likes to claim. Its simply about allowing teachers to be armed if they so choose.

 

[CaseHardened]

Did anyone hear that the Deputy Scot Peterson, was ORDERED to wait for reinforcements by Sheriff Scott Israel ?

President Trump may owe Deputy Peterson an apology.

 

[ProgSpear]

Did anyone hear that the Deputy Scot Peterson, was ORDERED to wait for reinforcements by Sheriff Scott Israel ?

President Trump may owe Deputy Peterson an apology.

Source? If this is true, then Israel's culpability in this fiasco went up by an order of magnitude.