Self defense shooting in NM during protests being spun.

[Saltwater60]

Only question I have is what did this guy do before he appears on video? Did he do something to provoke them?

From what I see no. I also see no need to arrest the militia men and women.

Sad as hell that they arrested the Militia and the self defense shooter and allowed the looters to return to looting. I pretty much agree with everyone’s sentiments here. I don’t expect this and I’m shocked and saddened by it honestly.

 

[Marine Cpl]

This article says that they were disarmed and detained for questioning.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/16/albuquerque-militia-shooting-protest/

 

[BuffNiag]

Only question I have is what did this guy do before he appears on video? Did he do something to provoke them?

From what I see no. I also see no need to arrest the militia men and women.

Sad as hell that they arrested the Militia and the self defense shooter and allowed the looters to return to looting. I pretty much agree with everyone’s sentiments here. I don’t expect this and I’m shocked and saddened by it honestly.

 

[Jem45472]

We're at a point in time where the cops are not allowed the use of lethal force to protect themselves while working, sad as it is, it's not a good time for a militia to be protecting the city's. The politicians are not on our side. Let them burn, protect what is yours.

 

[Blimey]

That won’t present well in court.

 

[Marine Cpl]

She was pushing him. He was wrong to push her to the ground. When the mob got angry, he ran away. At that point, it should have been over. He broke contact. But the pursued yelling that they were going to kill him. After he got hit with the skateboard, he fired.

 

[Steal2B]

The Antifa guy using skateboatd as a weapon (39 year old Scott Williams) also presented what looks like a knife just before he was shot (by 31 year old Stephen Bacca) according to this video. The attached videobPoster claims he is trying to confirm authenticity

Video Shows Shooting That Happened In New Mexico During Statue Incident, And It's A Mess – Concealed Nation

UPDATE: Below is a much clearer video of the incident. Yesterday, we reported on an incident that occurred when protesters were attempting to remove a statue. Now, cell phone footage has been released that shows what appears to be the shooting, and the man in the blue shirt can be seen drawing...

concealednation.org

 

[spat]

Only question I have is what did this guy do before he appears on video? Did he do something to provoke them?

From what I see no. I also see no need to arrest the militia men and women.

Sad as hell that they arrested the Militia and the self defense shooter and allowed the looters to return to looting. I pretty much agree with everyone’s sentiments here. I don’t expect this and I’m shocked and saddened by it honestly.

What could he have done that would have changed the justification for this ?

He was running away and was chased down and was being beaten by a mob. Whatever happened before the video is irrelevant.

 

[Shadow2]

OK the chick was blocking him from moving forward with her body, so he gets pissed and decided to throw her to the ground. Id call that assault. The people would have a legitimate reason to detain him. I'm not so sure if the use of a skate board is consider reasonable force. Getting the guys plate would have been the better course of action before beating him down in the street.

On the flip side does a citizens have a right to use force to stop vandalism? Its not a peaceful protest when the intent is to destroy public property.

With luck all the retards will kill each other off.

 

[Justincase]

John Correia always says not to do stupid things in stupid places with stupid people at stupid times. He broke 3 out of 4 of those rules. He made his bed.

 

[Shadow2]

Decent article on the subject Police tactics to be reviewed following Albuquerque protest. info on the shooter but hey lets lobby gun control to stop the militia who didn't actually fire a shot.

 

[GOPerfect]

She was pushing him. He was wrong to push her to the ground. When the mob got angry, he ran away. At that point, it should have been over. He broke contact. But the pursued yelling that they were going to kill him. After he got hit with the skateboard, he fired.

Antifa guy using skateboatd as a weapon presented what may be a knife just before he was shot according in this video. Poster claims he is trying to confirm authenticity


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Video Shows Shooting That Happened In New Mexico During Statue Incident, And It's A Mess – Concealed Nation

UPDATE: Below is a much clearer video of the incident. Yesterday, we reported on an incident that occurred when protesters were attempting to remove a statue. Now, cell phone footage has been released that shows what appears to be the shooting, and the man in the blue shirt can be seen drawing...

concealednation.org

OK the chick was blocking him from moving forward with her body, so he gets pissed and decided to throw her to the ground. Id call that assault. The people would have a legitimate reason to detain him. I'm not so sure if the use of a skate board is consider reasonable force. Getting the guys plate would have been the better course of action before beating him down in the street.

On the flip side does a citizens have a right to use force to stop vandalism? Its not a peaceful protest when the intent is to destroy public property.

With luck all the retards will kill each other off.

I quoted all of these posts to try to sum up all of my thoughts on this.

In the first set of videos, the girl may have thought she was doing nothing wrong putting her arms up. She would be wrong thinking that. As he moved to separate himself from her, she continued to move with him. She is in fact the aggressor. She moved into his space a number of times. A few times, she touched him first. Did he have the right to take her down? I say yes.

Will, your statement, IMPO, is spot on. He did all he could do to "run" away and retreat. He placed himself far out of the situation. I would like to see all of the videos surrounding the entire time he was there.

The video of the actual attack with skateboard guy, after he was shot and fell to the ground, something flies out of his hand. A knife? Not positive. Sure does look like it though.

So often, too many people form an opinion after watching only one or two videos or by reading only one or two verbal accounts by witnesses. All should wait until more or all of the facts are given.

I cannot read the article that Will posted in regards to the disarming of the Patriots. I wish I knew all of the facts in regards to this.

 

[seezur]

When you leave the house armed and with the intent to defend a public statue, what is your end game? Not saying the shooter was wrong but he’d be in better shape if he stayed home yesterday.

I get this line of thinking, and I personally follow it, but I do think that’s the problem with (very broadly speaking) the 2A side. It’s always stay at home. It’s always run away. We all pick our battles but I really fear for America because it seems like the anti American aggressors never run and can do what they want with impunity.

People talk about the founding fathers and stopping tyranny etc. but I think most are living too comfortably to ever stand up for anything. Staying home for decades has gotten us to where we are now.

 

[FrankenCub]

The video of the actual attack with skateboard guy, after he was shot and fell to the ground, something flies out of his hand. A knife? Not positive. Sure does look like it though.

The videos Steal2B posted show what clearly looks to be a knife in the leaking dude's hand just before shots were fired.

 

[GOPerfect]

The videos Steal2B posted show what clearly looks to be a knife in the leaking dude's hand just before shots were fired.

I am leaning towards yes, it was a knife. I will not say yes until 100% for sure. Really depends on what the shooter saw. Even without the knife, he should be go to go.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I quoted all of these posts to try to sum up all of my thoughts on this.

In the first set of videos, the girl may have thought she was doing nothing wrong putting her arms up. She would be wrong thinking that. As he moved to separate himself from her, she continued to move with him. She is in fact the aggressor. She moved into his space a number of times. A few times, she touched him first. Did he have the right to take her down? I say yes.

Will, your statement, IMPO, is spot on. He did all he could do to "run" away and retreat. He placed himself far out of the situation. I would like to see all of the videos surrounding the entire time he was there.

The video of the actual attack with skateboard guy, after he was shot and fell to the ground, something flies out of his hand. A knife? Not positive. Sure does look like it though.

So often, too many people form an opinion after watching only one or two videos or by reading only one or two verbal accounts by witnesses. All should wait until more or all of the facts are given.

I cannot read the article that Will posted in regards to the disarming of the Patriots. I wish I knew all of the facts in regards to this.

Looks like they were just disarmed, taken to the station, and questioned.

 

[Acer-m14]

OK the chick was blocking him from moving forward with her body, so he gets pissed and decided to throw her to the ground. Id call that assault.

could be .. but not enough for a citizens arrest to detain .. at least in NY ..

 

[GOPerfect]

Looks like they were just disarmed, taken to the station, and questioned.

If this is the case, then I see no harm and no foul. I looked deeper to find any articles that said they were arrested or detained for nefarious reasons.

If they were disarmed for transport and for questioning, I do not see a violation of their Rights. I will continue to see the facts from them. This entire incident is a mess.

I would also like to know if the Police were told to just stand by and observe all that was happening with the statue.

This seems to be the general consensus, city leaders telling the Police to stand by and then when something bad occurs, the Police are blamed for not getting involved sooner.

Getting old really fast.

 

[Acer-m14]

shoot or don't shoot .. activist gets a lesson ..

 

[spat]

I get this line of thinking, and I personally follow it, but I do think that’s the problem with (very broadly speaking) the 2A side. It’s always stay at home. It’s always run away. We all pick our battles but I really fear for America because it seems like the anti American aggressors never run and can do what they want with impunity.

People talk about the founding fathers and stopping tyranny etc. but I think most are living too comfortably to ever stand up for anything. Staying home for decades has gotten us to where we are now.

The founding fathers didn't wait until the government troops got to Concord to take the guns, they ambushed them on the way, and then kept it up until they were pushed all the way back to Boston.

That's the kind of response we need.

 

[spat]

I am leaning towards yes, it was a knife. I will not say yes until 100% for sure. Really depends on what the shooter saw. Even without the knife, he should be go to go.

Either the skateboard as a weapon, or the superior numbers of the mob would have provided sufficient justification. A knife just adds one more.

 

[GOPerfect]

Either the skateboard as a weapon, or the superior numbers of the mob would have provided sufficient justification. A knife just adds one more.

As well as the statement that were made to the effect, "I'm going to kill you". All that together is all he needs for a defense. This is a story that I will follow.

 

[Acer-m14]

i see this as self defense .. one hit from the skateboard ( weapon ) .. same as a baseball bat .. could have knocked him out or more .. then they would have took his firearm and then what ?? .. i bet sure as shit , not hand it over to LEO ..

 

[Chevusa]

Off duty, I’d never make the decision to defend public property, armed or unarmed. Anyone who is not being paid to do so, yet does so, is stupid.

This was more along the lines of you’re walking back to your personal car at the end of your shift and a mob says look at that cop let’s get him. They attack you, put you on the ground then try to break a skateboard across your head. He was leaving. Not making a stand. Also he tried to use pepper spray before hand to keep people away from him. He did what was right and what he had to do. I love how the tough guys all scatter like rats when the gunshots ring out.

 

[Airborneguy]

This was more along the lines of you’re walking back to your personal car at the end of your shift and a mob says look at that cop let’s get him. They attack you, put you on the ground then try to break a skateboard across your head. He was leaving. Not making a stand. Also he tried to use pepper spray before hand to keep people away from him. He did what was right and what he had to do. I love how the tough guys all scatter like rats when the gunshots ring out.

No it's not like that at all. At risk of being pounced on by others... these guys made the choice to dress up and act as if they were going to defend public spaces (whether they intended to carry that act out or not). A cop leaving the precinct walking to his car is a victim like any other and would be fully entitled to self-defense. Actors who insert themselves into a situation aren't always legally entitled to self-defense depending on the facts of the case.

These guys are George Zimmerman. Not me after my shift.

 

[spat]

No it's not like that at all. At risk of being pounced on by others... these guys made the choice to dress up and act as if they were going to defend public spaces (whether they intended to carry that act out or not). A cop leaving the precinct walking to his car is a victim like any other and would be fully entitled to self-defense. Actors who insert themselves into a situation aren't always legally entitled to self-defense depending on the facts of the case.

These guys are George Zimmerman. Not me after my shift.

And just like Zimmerman, they are fully justified and being crucified by a biased media because their skin is the wrong color.

 

[Blimey]

This video is much better.
Don’t bring a skateboard to a gun fight.

His aggressive action before this yanking that woman onto the ground won't play well in court, but here he is being chased down the street, put on the ground, and outnumbered and somebody hits him with a skateboard. I still think it's a good shoot. As mentioned don't bring a skateboard to a gun fight. They wanted at the very least to get him unconscious, and that's a dangerous game.

 

[garyv350]

I am leaning towards yes, it was a knife. I will not say yes until 100% for sure. Really depends on what the shooter saw. Even without the knife, he should be go to go.

Look closer at the pictures. I was thinking knife too. But looks to me like he has something in both hands and a wire is connecting them.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Policing by consent is not a new concept.

In the old days didn't they call that lynching?

 

[Justincase]

Look closer at the pictures. I was thinking knife too. But looks to me like he has something in both hands and a wire is connecting them.

A garrotte then? Bad shoot,