Semi Auto Rifle License (questions about stand alone process)

[IrishMick]

Has anyone done this as a stand alone process yet? If you have what all does it entail to get one? Is it as arduous as obtaining a CCP?
Has there been any legal challenge to this yet?

 

[Depick]

In Erie county it costs an additional $3 to add the endorsement to your pistol permit.

 

[Saltwater60]

From what I understand it is the same process as obtaining a pistol permit if you do not have one. Of course every county is different because the state police didn’t actually make a ruling on what it is. From the second circuit court hearings it is supposed to be a separate process but no one did anything with it so the counties just did what they did.

 

[MuttCat]

Five dollar endorsement to your license in Scary County...fill out a form, goes to the judge, get a new id, pay your money.

 

[Saltwater60]

I don’t think he has a pistol permit hence why he’s saying a stand alone process.

 

[ManualF150]

I don’t think he has a pistol permit hence why he’s saying a stand alone process.

That was the way I was interpreting it too.

 

[IrishMick]

@Saltwater60 That is correct.

 

[Jchrisls]

In monroe, without a PP, it's the same process as a PP. Better bet to apply for both at the same time.

 

[thughes]

In monroe, without a PP, it's the same process as a PP. Better bet to apply for both at the same time.

What if I'm only 20 years old? I can legally own a rifle but not old enough to apply for a PP. Or did NY make it so you have to be 21 to even own a fucking rifle? Sounds like infringement to me.....

 

[Jchrisls]

What if I'm only 20 years old? I can legally own a rifle but not old enough to apply for a PP. Or did NY make it so you have to be 21 to even own a fucking rifle? Sounds like infringement to me.....

Honestly don't know the answer to that, but I might think that if under 21 and wanting a semi auto rifle it would require the semi auto rifle permit.

Edit- this by no means express my belief that it's right to require the permit, as I do not believe a permit should be required at all

 

[Zerex]

Next will be a icense to purchase any gun--lever, bolt, or single shot, blow gun, bow and arrow, knife, club, hammer, knife of any length, registered steak knife set, registered Mapp gas torches, pepper spray, bear spray, rocks, baseballs, bats, razors, lighters........

There is in stopping the CCP directed sodomites.
It is for the chinese troops, not the women and children.

 

[Gunright]

ALTERNATE PROCESS:
1) Drive to PA or VT
2) Buy semi-auto rifle
3) Drive home

 

[nortatoga]

ALTERNATE PROCESS:
1) Drive to PA or VT
2) Buy semi-auto rifle
3) Drive home

I believe that will only work for a private sale though, not from a FFL. And then the serial number would need to be prior to the law, Like we use to look for pre-1994 10/22's for example to make one AR style.

 

[camper4lyfe]

ALTERNATE PROCESS:
1) Drive to PA or VT
2) Buy semi-auto rifle
3) Drive home

Good luck. Out of state FFLs won’t do it because you don’t have a permit.

 

[FP1201]

I'm positive I read where SCOTUS and other Courts have ruled it is an infringement of an Adults Second Amendment Rights by demanding they be at least 21 to buy a Handgun and by default "other" which you would think would apply to NY, but the State picks and chooses which Rights they'll recognize.
As far as the OP's question about the process, the CCIA demanded you complete essentially the same application as a Handgun, and from what I understand there are different Forms, and I do not believe the SP (who's in charge) has yet to produce said application packet.
IF you're at least 18 and less than 21, you could sue for infringement of your Rights, but I suspect the state would drag the process out until you turn 21 at which point the case becomes moot.
Those who already have Licenses and went and got amendments to buy semiautomatic rifles mostly don't give a fuck about anyone else because they got theirs (same thing happens with pistol permits: raise hell like they're going to force changes in the process, then they're placated with a licenses and forget about everyone else)
Having read the Laws several times then reading the postings of people from different counties leads me to believe they all do whatever the fuck they want, because the Law says it's a new application for the Licenses, not the endorsements they're doing on existing and new Licenses.
*I use the word Licenses because that's what it is and says so. "Permit" is used to lessen the validity and is incorrect, and not the same thing... you get a learners permit to start driving, then pass the test to obtain a license... it does matter, at least to me.

 

[John Stark]

Has anyone done this as a stand alone process yet? If you have what all does it entail to get one?

The process is easy.

You have to service Whorechul, boot lick and bribe the proper authorities, and give up any sense of pride or patriotism.

Long term, it gets harder, more time consunming, and more expensive to say "pretty please."

And a lot harder to kid yourself that you did the right thing.

 

[Acer-m14]

how about showing up at the PP office with photos of semi rifle you already fucking own

do i get my fucking semi permit you fucking jack boots ..

 

[Acer-m14]

the CCIA demanded you complete essentially the same application as a Handgun, and from what I understand there are different Forms, and I do not believe the SP (who's in charge) has yet to produce said application packet.
IF you're at least 18 and less than 21, you could sue for infringement of your Rights, but I suspect the state would drag the process out until you turn 21 at which point the case becomes moot.

if only criminals would follow the law ..

like thou shall not shoot some one

 

[Willyone]

like thou shall not shoot some one

Ok, but can we covet thy neighbors wife?

 

[Saltwater60]

What if I'm only 20 years old? I can legally own a rifle but not old enough to apply for a PP. Or did NY make it so you have to be 21 to even own a fucking rifle? Sounds like infringement to me.....

For semi auto rifles yes you know need to be 21 years old. My son was 18 going on 19 when this new stupid rule hit so I have gifted him all my semi auto rifles so he doesn’t have to go through this shit if he doesn’t buy anything new. I have enough for us to all share.

 

[Saltwater60]

ALTERNATE PROCESS:
1) Drive to PA or VT
2) Buy semi-auto rifle
3) Drive home

Still illegal to return to NYS with it. You need a license to transfer ownership after 9/4/2022. You can say no one will ever know but there’s documentation of when you bought it so that’s not entirely true.

 

[John Stark]

As long as a "long gun" is not intended to be carried concealed (most can't be, except maybe with a long duster or other such clothing), a permit or licensing scheme has already been shown to be unconstitutional. The Heller decision, incorporated to the States by McDonald, explicitly upheld concealed carry permits and licensing scheme, while at the same time stated unequivocally that "open carry is the right protected."

Even the Yale Law Journal of all places clearly pointed this out 9 years ago:

"Such a historical examination—guided by the sources, methodology, and logic of Heller—yields two important conclusions: (1) the Second Amendment guarantees a right to carry outside the home, and (2) it guarantees only a right to carry openly. While much of the history examined by the Supreme Court gives little indication of early understandings of the right to carry, the one set of sources consulted by the Court that speaks unequivocally on the right to carry—antebellum state supreme court cases—suggests that only the open carry of weapons is protected. This conclusion, not yet advanced in the scholarship, differs from arguments by many advocates of gun control, which suggest that there should be no right to carry outside the home, and those suggested by many advocates of gun rights, which would allow states to choose between open and concealed carry, as long as one is guaranteed. Either of those results, while perhaps more practical for twenty-first century Americans, would be inconsistent with Heller’s approach and with the sources on which it relies. Instead, a faithful reading of Heller requires constitutionally protected open carry, and, strangely enough, a nineteenth-century conception of the right to carry weapons."

"The history relied upon by the Supreme Court, particularly in Heller, and the way the Court reads the historical sources, compel two important conclusions about the right to carry weapons. First, the logic, interpretive choices, and dicta of Heller suggest that the right to keep and bear arms must extend beyond the home. Second, the right to carry weapons that is guaranteed by the Second Amendment is the right to carry weapons openly. Much of the history of the right to carry is difficult to decipher. Only one set of sources consulted by the Supreme Court speaks comprehensively and unequivocally on this question: antebellum state supreme court decisions. They find almost uniformly, in upholding state concealed weapons bans, that the right to keep and bear arms protects the right to carry weapons openly—and only openly—in self-defense. The particular rationale in those decisions—that the only way to carry weapons defensively is to carry them openly—may not jibe with modern sensibilities. But these opinions are still windows, according to the Heller Court, into the historical understanding of the Second Amendment. Our modern right should reflect this understanding, meaning that the logical outgrowth of Heller would be a regime in which the concealed carry of firearms could be banned, but the open carry of the same weapons could not."

"Such a holding would not sit well with either the opponents or proponents of the individual right to keep and bear arms. Opponents see open carry as the worst of the pro-gun movement—a practice aimed more at provocation and showmanship than at any legitimate safety goal.13 Meanwhile, many proponents of gun rights recognize how unusual and fear-inducing open carry is in many situations, and how much many Americans prefer to carry weapons concealed. They worry that a constitutional right limited to open carry would prevent many law-abiding citizens from carrying weapons due to the stigma of carrying openly.14 Still, even if this result is impractical and unpopular, it is the most loyal reading of Heller. And because the Court has committed to an originalist methodology for the Second Amendment, complaints about open carry’s lack of agreement with modern practice ought to have very little sway."

NYS is in flagrant violation of Heller and McDonald. Don't comply.

Addendum: This would apply to handguns as well, along with a host of other Arms, if openly carried. I should have clarified that.

 

[holdover]

Ok, but can we covet thy neighbors wife?

you need a permit for that too

 

[holdover]

per·mit1




verb

/pərˈmit/

1. give authorization or consent to (someone) to do something.
   "the law permits councils to monitor any factory emitting smoke"
   noun
   /ˈpərmit/
   1. an official document giving someone authorization to do something.
      "he is only in Britain on a work permit
   
   

1. Similar:
   allow
   
   
   let
   
   
   authorize
   
   
   sanction
   
   
   grant
   
   
   grant someone the right
   
   license
   
   
   empower
   
   
   enable
   
   
   entitle
   
   
   qualify
   
   
   consent to
   
   assent to
   
   give one's consent/assent to
   
   give one's blessing to
   
   give someone/something the nod
   
   acquiesce in
   
   agree to
   
   accede to
   
   approve of
   
   tolerate
   
   
   countenance
   
   
   suffer
   
   
   brook
   
   
   admit of
   
   legalize
   
   
   legitimatize
   
   
   legitimate
   
   
   give the go-ahead to
   
   give the thumbs up to
   
   OK
   
   
   give the OK to
   
   give the green light to
   
   say the word
   
   
   
   Opposite:
   ban
   
   
   forbid
   
   
   prohibit

 

[Acer-m14]

LUKE 22:36

"He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

no permit needed ..

 

[thughes]

NYS is in flagrant violation of Heller and McDonald.

Here's my shocked face ->

You guys really need to GTFO of NY and join us in Free America.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

In Erie county it costs an additional $3 to add the endorsement to your pistol permit.

I thought about it for .03 seconds at the Hamburg gun show then said....nope.

 

[Saltwater60]

I thought about it for .03 seconds at the Hamburg gun show then said....nope.

Yeah I’m not comfortable adding it either. I get a funny feeling in the lot of my stomach when I think about it and my instincts are normally correct. I won’t be doing it anytime soon. Sun of course hoping it gets ruled unconstitutional but I’m not counting on it.

 

[IrishMick]

That's one reason I have been holding off on a CCP. According to the SAFE Act if your permit gets revoked for any reason they can take all of your guns. I am going to apply for a CCP now and will add the Semi Auto Rifle to it. It just bums me out that I can't buy a Garand or something at a gun show if I find one that I want. Wanted another 10/22 but now can't get one. Do I need these things? No, but would like more of them. Utter un-Constitutional Bullshit!

 

[Saltwater60]

That's one reason I have been holding off on a CCP. According to the SAFE Act if your permit gets revoked for any reason they can take all of your guns. I am going to apply for a CCP now and will add the Semi Auto Rifle to it. It just bums me out that I can't buy a Garand or something at a gun show if I find one that I want. Wanted another 10/22 but now can't get one. Do I need these things? No, but would like more of them. Utter un-Constitutional Bullshit!

I’ll just buy more pistols and a double barreled shotgun I’ve always wanted. I’m at my end playing these games they want us to play. I guess I was ok with a pistol permit becuase they have always required me to have one. Again I’m hoping this gets tossed but I’m not counting on it.