yes, magazine style has no bearing on the type or brand barrel you want
Should I trade one of my 700 Police rifles?
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Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
Karen Hart from Hart Rifle Barrels wrote me this morning! Sounds like this is something they can tackle (changing my 700P from 308 to 6.5CR). I guess the question just remains - is it better to convert the 700P or better to buy something NIB? I kind of like the idea of doing the 700P since I get to keep my glass (Leupold LR/T), that stock (Hogue or H-S Precision?), my bipod, sling, etc.
The 700PSS is a fine platform (yes it has a HS Precision stock). Only you can decide whether getting something NIB or converting is better. I don't get rid of rifles they either get rebarreled, passed along to one of the kids or I just buy another one in the caliber I want. when I wear out my 700PSS in 308 I will have to decide on a caliber. It really depends upon how many rifles I have in any particular caliber with the 30-06 family bolt face.
The Remington 700 PSS
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Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
I have so many in the Remington format that I am actually kind of excited about converting one of my PSS's. I am going to sacrifice the 24" 308 non fluted, and keep the 20" bull fluted PSS. My other 700's include an XHR/XTR (that triangle barrel) in 30-06, a Classic in 338 WM, and an LTR (I think?) in 300WM. The part I can't get my head around is if I change my caliber, how does my magazine work? I think the magazine (detach underneath) is just for 308. I imagine the bolt changes too; since how would extraction operate in a different caliber?
ETA: Ugh - so Gunworks over by the casino wrote back - $1050. Karen Hart said $710 plus a fee for the flute, so $850. At that price, I guess I should just go Tikka or RPR.
The magazine is the same and so is the bolt face, the only part you have to change is the barrel.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
Weird how it knows where to position the extractor to properly reach the rim of the round if the diameter of the rim is different. But now with Karen Hart saying $850 and Gunworks over at Turning Stone saying $1050; I am going to just keep the 24" or trade it; and do a Tikka or RPR for the 6.5 Creedmoor.
The rim is not different they (.308 win and 6.5 CM) share the same case head.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
OK - that's what I guess I didn't understand. Thanks! Question - if I am staying out at 600 max and I am not cutting my range any further; will making the 6.5CR make any differences to my accuracy? I am presently about 0.5 MOA on the fluted bull 20" and while the 24" is still in break-in mode it seems like it is shaping up to also be 0.5 MOA. I would like to see 0.25 MOA in a rifle out to 600; but so far I have only been seeing that accuracy with my Bushmaster Varminter.
The 6.5 will outshoot .308, the further out you go with the 6.5 the better it gets compared to the 308 it bucks the wind better, stays super sonic longer, uses less powder, lighter recoil, and shoots tighter. Where the .308 wins hands down is barrel life, the 308 barrel will maintain its sub MOA accuracy for double almost triple (2000-3000 vs 5000-10000) the rounds the 6.5 will.
My '06 is .4-.5 MOA out to 400 yards (far as my range goes) my 6.5 CM has shot under that. The '06 is going to last me another 6 years at current rate of fire, the 6.5 CM may last me 3 more years at best.
If you are going for the perfect one hole group at 600 yards the 6.5 will help you get there a lot easier than the 308. If you shoot a lot (2K rounds a year) from the same gun,or are concerned about shooting money out the end of the barrel, you will be better off sticking with the 308.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
I would say I shoot 20 - 30 rounds each time I shoot (roughly) and shoot maybe 3 times a week. My weapon rotation is about 10 rifles. The rest are not safe queens but they don't get shot often. So 60 rounds a week times like 40 weeks is 2,400 rounds and that gets split among 10 long rifles. So maybe 200 rounds per year for any of the Remington 700s, give or take. I figured I would re-barrel a rifle about every 20 years at that consumption. You must shoot a lot more rounds than I do.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
In my honest opinion and for those interested in serious precision shooting, whether is to compete in practical or tactical matches, or F-class,
or score shooting, or whatever there are several well known yet simple formulas available.
I would say start with the bullet and what is the objective and targets you need to tackle.
6mm is very good for a lot of the score shooting but also some long range in a lower budget than lets say 6.5, 7mm or 30 caliber.
There are some pretty good deals out of the box of long established platforms.
I think bergara gives you a lot more than the standard R700 (including the police rifles) w/o additional work and out of the box.
Same can be achieved with blueprinted R700 or aftermarket but will be spending 1K more on average for the same thing and
one can start with a pretty decent shooter even below 1K. Of course here options like magazine system, stock or chasis upgrade
can drastically increase if one wants to upgrade but initially one has formulas that work pretty decently out of the box.
None of the bottom deals will work with the tuperware stocks and the minimum decent deal will be a Savage either LRP
or predator (not the XP) with an accustock that works extremely well for the money.
Bergara gives you the R700 the way it should have been done these days, far superior in terms of features and materials.
Both the The savage with accustock or Bergara will give a lot more than the SPS or police series.
The barrel and chambering job are key and why savage continue to be one of the best value.
I like the idea of the sako or even a badger action replica of the AI system but I don't think will shoot better than some
other options discussed given one sets expectations.
For a superior platform there is nothing like thinking this one carefully and have a specific purpose built with the reamer
and chamber of your choice by a master gunsmith. Dark Eagle in the finger lakes do a great job.
I don't shoot a lot so cost for me is not a huge thing but in reality something like a 6mmBR tactical rifle will shoot the lights out
because it is so easy to shoot and consistent match winner.
For long range including hunting the 7mm/08 is hard to beat.
Just take your time to research this one and test some rifles and combinations.
or score shooting, or whatever there are several well known yet simple formulas available.
I would say start with the bullet and what is the objective and targets you need to tackle.
6mm is very good for a lot of the score shooting but also some long range in a lower budget than lets say 6.5, 7mm or 30 caliber.
There are some pretty good deals out of the box of long established platforms.
I think bergara gives you a lot more than the standard R700 (including the police rifles) w/o additional work and out of the box.
Same can be achieved with blueprinted R700 or aftermarket but will be spending 1K more on average for the same thing and
one can start with a pretty decent shooter even below 1K. Of course here options like magazine system, stock or chasis upgrade
can drastically increase if one wants to upgrade but initially one has formulas that work pretty decently out of the box.
None of the bottom deals will work with the tuperware stocks and the minimum decent deal will be a Savage either LRP
or predator (not the XP) with an accustock that works extremely well for the money.
Bergara gives you the R700 the way it should have been done these days, far superior in terms of features and materials.
Both the The savage with accustock or Bergara will give a lot more than the SPS or police series.
The barrel and chambering job are key and why savage continue to be one of the best value.
I like the idea of the sako or even a badger action replica of the AI system but I don't think will shoot better than some
other options discussed given one sets expectations.
For a superior platform there is nothing like thinking this one carefully and have a specific purpose built with the reamer
and chamber of your choice by a master gunsmith. Dark Eagle in the finger lakes do a great job.
I don't shoot a lot so cost for me is not a huge thing but in reality something like a 6mmBR tactical rifle will shoot the lights out
because it is so easy to shoot and consistent match winner.
For long range including hunting the 7mm/08 is hard to beat.
Just take your time to research this one and test some rifles and combinations.
GuyMontag
.44 mag
Couldn't agree more meketrefe, but we're talking a considerably higher price than what Snappo's been currently considering if he chooses that route, which seems at odds with his budget. $1400 and under gives you several excellent out of the box choices these days for sure, Remington's days of getting away with shitty q/c have finally caught up to them.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Right on. The 700 action as you know is like a tank but it needs considerable work to build something really good. Some other makers are actually listening to the consumers and addressing the needs of mid budget rifles that can actually shoot out of the box.
We know this is not to win any championships but also nobody should be putting up with some of the inconsistencies and crap in some mid range rifles.
Even remington SPS are not the worse in that department but there are much better alternatives in comparable prices or just a bit more.
I know savage sounds like a broken record and not too exciting but they give some very nice rifles in mid budget that can shoot and the average working
man can afford. Also bergara is jumping ahead of the pack and it is not a surprise given the action features and quality, also the barrels.
GuyMontag
.44 mag
Snappo, no affiliation with the seller, but here's an upgraded RPR in 6.5 worth a look with a bunch of LRI aftermarket parts.
$875 without the PRS stock, $1000 with it.
WTS/WTT Ruger Precision Rifle 6.5 Creedmoor - Sniper's Hide Forums
$875 without the PRS stock, $1000 with it.
WTS/WTT Ruger Precision Rifle 6.5 Creedmoor - Sniper's Hide Forums
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Folks are buying the new Ruger? Have they worked out all the initial production issues?
I try to shoot 100-200 rounds a weekend. Mainly out of 6 different rifles. I picked but both of my 6.5s this year and they already have over 300 rounds a piece on them. I shoot 35-45 rounds every other week in the clubs scoped rifle shoots as well, mainly out of my '06 until I get my Savage Model 12 6.5 a little more tuned. I would like to get it under .25 MOA but, I may start shooting it this week just for grins. It is only bragging rights we are talking about so I have nothing to loose.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
That would be a solid deal if it was Gen II. I think Gen II supposedly fixed some fairly concerning problems with Gen I.