Should private businesses be allowed to ban guns?

[GOPerfect]

No.

Okay, you win.

 

[holdover]

And they have no right to self defense on a private property that does not wish them to have that right.

The Constitution limits what the government can do. Nothing more.

From What authority?

 

[spat]

As long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of people. denying the right to self defense in a place open to the public is infringement.

Topless Tuesdays ? Im in there, like swimwear.

If the business owner says you have to hop on one foot the whole time you're there, they have the right to kick you out when you slip.

If a bar owner wants to have a "no talking politics" rule, that is their right. If you want to exercise your 1A right, you can do it else where.

Just like a bakery owner should absolutely have the right to tell someone he won't make a cake for them. He shouldn't even have to give them a reason.

 

[GOPerfect]

It spells out Americans' rights in relation to their government. It guarantees civil rights and liberties to the individual—like freedom of speech, press, and religion

 

[Darth]

From What authority?

Please state the question in it's entirety.

 

[holdover]

Please state the question in it's entirety.

From where the power of denial derived? what law is that?

 

[Darth]

From where the power of denial derived? what law is that?

Laws tell us what we cannot do, not what we can do.

I do not accept the premise.

 

[spat]

If you infringe on a persons rights Your breaking the law. the constitution supersedes your right to exclude.

That cannot work.

A business owner can't restrict your right to speak in their business ?

Some guy sets up pro Biden signs in your lawn, you can't remove them without violating his rights?

No, the property owner can remove anyone for any reason. That's the only thing that works.

 

[holdover]

It spells out Americans' rights in relation to their government. It guarantees civil rights and liberties to the individual—like freedom of speech, press, and religion

Correct, Can you as an individual deny a person of his rights ?

 

[GOPerfect]

Does the Bill of Rights protect us from private businesses?

Here are some very basic principles to remember: The guarantees of the Bill of Rights apply only to state and federal government action. They do not limit what a company or person in the private sector may do.

The First Amendment, Censorship, and Private Companies: What Does “Free Speech” Really Mean? - Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh

Learn about the specifics of the First Amendment, how censorship has been defined and challenged over time, and what all of this means to private companies and on social media.

www.carnegielibrary.org

 

[GOPerfect]

Correct, Can you as an individual deny a person of his rights ?

Yep.

 

[holdover]

Laws tell us what we cannot do, not what we can do.

I do not accept the premise.

its not a premise its a question. Where is this power to deny derived from?

 

[Darth]

Correct, Can you as an individual deny a person of his rights ?

Yes.

You can be banned from this forum, for example. Your right to communicate here can be revoked.

 

[spat]

Correct, Can you as an individual deny a person of his rights ?

No. But you can demand they leave your property. At any time, for any reason.

 

[holdover]

Yep.

Infringement of a persons rights is against the law, Kidnapping?

 

[GOPerfect]

Infringement of a persons rights is against the law, Kidnapping?

Kidnapping is not in the Bill of Rights.

 

[holdover]

No. But you can demand they leave your property. At any time, for any reason.

Kidnapping is not in the Bill of Rights.

Sure it is , Liberty.

 

[GOPerfect]

If I invite you to my home, I will dictate the rules that you must follow. I can say no guns allowed and forbade certain conversations. If you violate my rules, I can make you leave my home.

 

[holdover]

You boys got me out gunned tonight. I know when im beat.

 

[Darth]

its not a premise its a question. Where is this power to deny derived from?

The premise of course being "the ability to deny comes from law."

There are as many laws for that as there are for you to consume oxygen.

Because the premise is false. Laws, and government, are not set up to allow things.

 

[cgrutt]

Interesting so no right to self defense once you step upon property not owned by the government. Lol.

 

[holdover]

If I invite you to my home, I will dictate the rules that you must follow. I can say no guns allowed and forbade certain conversations. If you violate my rules, I can make you leave my home.

Ill buy that, but your home isnt open to the public .

 

[GOPerfect]

Ill buy that, but your home isnt open to the public .

That is correct. But even a open to the public business can ask anyone to leave that they please, within reason.

 

[holdover]

The premise of course being "the ability to deny comes from law."

There are as many laws for that as there are for you to consume oxygen.

Because the premise is false. Laws, and government, are not set up to allow things.

No, the ability to deny is coming from the owner of the property that holds no legal standing to deny rights.

 

[Darth]

Infringement of a persons rights is against the law, Kidnapping?

Infringement of a person's rights might be against the law. Some willingly give up that and allow themselves to be tied up by others (believe it or not ) .

The key is consent. You consent to the terms of the property you enter.

 

[8w7]

So, a private property owner can't control who uses his property?

Restaurant can't set a dress code ?

No, what we need is to stop making exceptions to the owners right to exclude anyone he wants.

If he wants to be a racist asshole and exclude people from an undesirable race, well, good luck staying in business, but it should be his right to flush the place down the toilet if he wants.

That’s exactly what I’m saying. Not sure how you misinterpreted me. I was pretty clear.

 

[holdover]

Infringement of a person's rights might be against the law. Some willingly give up that and allow themselves to be tied up by others (believe it or not ) .

The key is consent. You consent to the terms of the property you enter.

Well,You have a point, but thats voluntary consent . not an infringement.

 

[Darth]

No, the ability to deny is coming from the owner of the property that holds no legal standing to deny rights.

Not only do they in fact have that right, the person occuping the space has no right to occupy it if not consented on.

 

[Darth]

Well,You have a point, but thats voluntary consent . not an infringement.

You consent to the terms of any property you enter, or you may be asked to leave.

 

[holdover]

Not only do they in fact have that right, the person occuping the space has no right to occupy it if not consented on.

So they can deny someone because they are Jewish black or Mexican?