Should We Blindly Support the Police?

[gingerbread_mag]

Oh, and PS, if you're part of a crowd that starts trying to burn down buildings, maybe a few pepperballs should be expected.

If you're part of an armed militant group or a terrorist storming and occupying a nation's capitol building, you should expect to be shot in the neck.

I'm not aware of Mr. Finicum's politics or his reasons for his last stand. The fact that he was armed and apparently ready to martyr himself speak for the reasons behind why he was shot. Not sure what soapbox he was standing on when he died. All due respect to whatever legacy I'm naively tarnishing.

I am aware of what generated a couple years' worth of general protesting, with the typical scum taking the opportunity to loot and riot and dismantle the agenda of the actual protesters. And I am aware of the insurrectionists' intentions as they stormed the capitol building, beat a man to death, and made pointed attempts to locate particular government officials.

I'm comparing civil unrest to an attempt at a coup. There's a stark difference. One results in property loss. The other results in a subversion of our entire government. You are bringing armed revolutionaries into the conversation; who decided take up arms against the Fed for reasons only fathomable to themselves. Sure, they are "right wing" but they're also armed, entrenched, and out for blood. Kind of detached from "we're going to chant about police brutality while these idiots start burning shit because they're idiots."

 

[spat]

If you're part of an armed militant group or a terrorist storming and occupying a nation's capitol building, you should expect to be shot in the neck.

I'm not aware of Mr. Finicum's politics or his reasons for his last stand. The fact that he was armed and apparently ready to martyr himself speak for the reasons behind why he was shot. Not sure what soapbox he was standing on when he died. All due respect to whatever legacy I'm naively tarnishing.

I am aware of what generated a couple years' worth of general protesting, with the typical scum taking the opportunity to loot and riot and dismantle the agenda of the actual protesters. And I am aware of the insurrectionists' intentions as they stormed the capitol building, beat a man to death, and made pointed attempts to locate particular government officials.

I'm comparing civil unrest to an attempt at a coup. There's a stark difference. One results in property loss. The other results in a subversion of our entire government. You are bringing armed revolutionaries into the conversation; who decided take up arms against the Fed for reasons only fathomable to themselves. Sure, they are "right wing" but they're also armed, entrenched, and out for blood. Kind of detached from "we're going to chant about police brutality while these idiots start burning shit because they're idiots."

There was no coup.

No attempt to install a new government.

The sole demands of the protestors on Jan 6th were that an election they believed was conducted illegitimately would not be upheld.

If they had gotten their way, and the 2020 election was not certified, then control of the US government would have passed to Nancy Pelosi at the conclusion of Trump and Pence's term. There was no path for either of them to remain in office.

Their claims have been shown to be not without merit. The courts in PA have recently ruled that the changes to the election process there were done unconstitutionally. That was one of the chief claims the Jan 6th protestors rested their objections on.

This was not a coup, or an insurrection, no matter how many times you claim otherwise.

 

[livingston]

 

[Acer-m14]

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and i seen some police association that are blocking this too in other states ..

WTF .. the bad guy do not follow laws and you fucking LEO's ( not all ) back this shit ..

" Eddie Garcia of Dallas, voiced their opposition to House Bill 1911 that would make it easier for adults to carry handguns in public and end the requirements to be licensed, trained, and pass a written and shooting proficiency tests.

EDDIE .. the FUCKIN BAD GUY didnt take that test ..

so who do you cover there six these days ?

 

[Acer-m14]

EDDIE .. remember this .. did he take the test ..

Dallas Police 'Ambush': 12 Officers Shot, 5 Killed During Protest

Much of downtown Dallas was in lockdown after snipers shot 12 officers, five fatally, during a protest over deadly police shootings.

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[Darth]

"There are good and bad in every profession."

True, but not many that get carte blanche to ruin lives with no worry of repercussions so readily.

 

[meketrefe]

I do not support anything blindly.
The police is not one single person or entity with one single mind.
All these tribalism and radicalism is killing free thought.
That youtuber is a little winey bitch. People need to be more mature. Bit hey they all sell likes.

 

[Defilade]

Unfortunately the police have lost my support and have raised my eyebrows more than once. All one has to do is look how they enforce illegal mandates in NYC. When push comes to shove when their job and livelihood is on the line we see where their loyally resides. What's really disgusting is they watch fellow officers get fired and don't stand with them. It is without a doubt a tough decision but it weeds out the real Men and women from the boys and girls.

 

[BerettaGuy]

In the First so-called Civil War, the opponents wore blue or grey. The upcoming one will have masked v unmasked.
Look at the cops marching alongside the marchers ready for battle wearing their masks because they were told to.
They are on both sides of the street in a double line. That is 4 lines of cops to protect the business from peaceful marchers. Or is it to confine them.
The First Civil War was not a "civil war" at all but a war between the states.
The upcoming one will be worldwide people against elitists.

France Protesting Mandates


PS People have been protesting in France for almost 3 years and the media has simply refused to acknowledge it so did it really happen?

 

[gunpoliticsny]

No.

 

[kev74]

If you're part of an armed militant group or a terrorist storming and occupying a nation's capitol building, you should expect to be shot in the neck....

First Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Perition

VERB

1. make or present a formal request to (an authority) with respect to a particular cause.

"...or the right of the people...to petition the government for a redress of grievances." This is what was happening on January 6th. A lot of people went to Washington to ask, or petition, their government to investigate and address the election fraud that was leading to the installation of an illegitimate president.

The right of the protesters to be there is constitutionally protected.

The cowardly politicians who refused to hear their petition were violating the constitution.

Honk. Honk.

 

[S&W Fan]

You can Always smell a Demented underground infiltrator.

 

[Truebeliever]

Yeah, Like they were in the riots of BLM and ANTIFA! Remember this, they follow the orders of woke leftwing political class liberals or they lose their pensions.

It’s more than that. The DA offices are controlled by the left. Not only do they refuse to prosecute anyone the officer arrests , but are looking to prosecute the officers.
And the officers in Portland are not taking sides. They are to be between the two groups. Both of whom are getting arrested for crimes. Now, if the left DA only prosecutes one side, that’s the DAs office . The cop has no control over than .
As far as support, what support do you really give?
The only support a cop can count on is from their union. And it’s the union that bucks the policies by the politicians for their members. When “ stop and frisk” was a big thing, or “ ticket quotas”, it was the police unions that actually sued to stop it. No one really mentions that.
Note that Chief is telling cops not to support the trucker’s strike. It’s the cops who would be punished by the politicians. And if they buck the system, what support would they get from you. The word is nothing

 

[Truebeliever]

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"...or the right of the people...to petition the government for a redress of grievances." This is what was happening on January 6th. A lot of people went to Washington to ask, or petition, their government to investigate and address the election fraud that was leading to the installation of an illegitimate president.

The right of the protesters to be there is constitutionally protected.

The cowardly politicians who refused to hear their petition were violating the constitution.

Honk. Honk.

That’s Canada. No constitutional rights there.

 

[kev74]

That’s Canada. No constitutional rights there.

That post was in response to someone claiming Ashli Babbitt deserved to be shot in the neck, not the truckers.

Canada has a Charter of Rights and Freedoms which is similarly being disregarded.

 

[BerettaGuy]

I'm comparing civil unrest to an attempt at a coup. There's a stark difference. One results in property loss. The other results in a subversion of our entire government.

I am following closely what is happening in Canada. The media and the left are calling it the I word now.
The Chief of Police in Ottowa sounds like a maniac.
This is not a parade! It is civil disobedience to a government that has subverted the law of the land. When that happens they need to be subverted.
Did you hear Brandon? No Amendment is absolute! WTF! (He was talking about the second one)
Okay, so let's have a parade to protest something.
When Cuomo passed NY SAFE we had a parade in Albany! I was hoping for traffic gridlock and honking but all we got was a parade and then a bill for stepping on the grass.
Civil unrest and a coup both have the same desired outcome. Parades not so much.

 

[spat]

It’s more than that. The DA offices are controlled by the left. Not only do they refuse to prosecute anyone the officer arrests , but are looking to prosecute the officers.
And the officers in Portland are not taking sides. They are to be between the two groups. Both of whom are getting arrested for crimes. Now, if the left DA only prosecutes one side, that’s the DAs office . The cop has no control over than .
As far as support, what support do you really give?
The only support a cop can count on is from their union. And it’s the union that bucks the policies by the politicians for their members. When “ stop and frisk” was a big thing, or “ ticket quotas”, it was the police unions that actually sued to stop it. No one really mentions that.
Note that Chief is telling cops not to support the trucker’s strike. It’s the cops who would be punished by the politicians. And if they buck the system, what support would they get from you. The word is nothing

The cop is an integral part of that.

If you *know* the DA is going to let everyone on the left go with nothing, then you don't arrest the people on the right for defending themselves.


You guys may not be running the "showers" at the camp, but you're driving the train bringing people there.

 

[Toecutter]

That post was in response to someone claiming Ashli Babbitt deserved to be shot in the neck, not the truckers.

Canada has a Charter of Rights and Freedoms which is similarly being disregarded.

Canada's charter of rights is very close to our bill of rights.
I feel a big issue is we keep focusing on the bill of rights and not the articles of our constitution.
I don't know if canada has a similar constitution, technically the usa doesn't need the bill of rights our constitution gives the government no power to take any rights from us or tell us how to live. It also doesn't give government power for armed government officials to rule over us like the police.

 

[SomeSoldier]

The answer is no, just like any other gov entity. Praise them when they do good. Scold them when they do bad. Hang them when they are evil.

 

[tirwin1]

Despicable behavior by Canadian cops. Don't say it couldn't happen here. If anything it would probably be worse

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[BerettaGuy]

Despicable behavior by Canadian cops. Don't say it couldn't happen here. If anything it would probably be worse

Heavily Armed Tactical Police Units Move In and Confiscate Fuel from Ottawa Freedom Protest Truckers - The Last Refuge

Video from Ottawa shows heavily armed tactical police units move in to take fuel supplies from the Canadian Truckers during their Freedom Protest. Let this serve as yet another example of how police units will respond to carry out the orders of government officials regardless of what laws...

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Well, to be fair, they were honking until a judge issued an order for them to stop between 8 pm and 8 am. They are dealing with despicable insurrectionists here.
BY the way! Isn't diesel fuel even more explosive than Gasoline? They are seizing the fuel for safety reasons. THey Care.

 

[BerettaGuy]

Canada's charter of rights is very close to our bill of rights.
I feel a big issue is we keep focusing on the bill of rights and not the articles of our constitution.
I don't know if canada has a similar constitution, technically the usa doesn't need the bill of rights our constitution gives the government no power to take any rights from us or tell us how to live. It also doesn't give government power for armed government officials to rule over us like the police.

But they are a Confederacy!

 

[Truebeliever]

The cop is an integral part of that.

If you *know* the DA is going to let everyone on the left go with nothing, then you don't arrest the people on the right for defending themselves.


You guys may not be running the "showers" at the camp, but you're driving the train bringing people there.

No. The law and order part on the series had it reversed. The police provide order. They arrest people in part because they have too to preserve order under the law. The DA does his part.
It would be different if the police went looking to arrest a certain group who were not a direct threat at the moment. But at a protests with counter protesters who both refuse to stay in their lanes. Both get arrested.

 

[spat]

No. The law and order part on the series had it reversed. The police provide order. They arrest people in part because they have too to preserve order under the law. The DA does his part.
It would be different if the police went looking to arrest a certain group who were not a direct threat at the moment. But at a protests with counter protesters who both refuse to stay in their lanes. Both get arrested.

When you know the law will not provide justice, providing it order is not "good". You can tell yourself whatever you need to in order to sleep at night I suppose.

The people who ran the underground railroad were criminals, and the people who hunted escaped slaves were providing "law and order". I'm sure they justified it to themselves the same way.

I imagine the cops who arrested Anne Franks family told themselves the same thing. They were just enforcing the law, and weren't responsible for any sentence the criminals might receive either.

Not sure what sort of afterlife you believe in, but I doubt many dieties would see it that way.

 

[Truebeliever]

When you know the law will not provide justice, providing it order is not "good". You can tell yourself whatever you need to in order to sleep at night I suppose.

The people who ran the underground railroad were criminals, and the people who hunted escaped slaves were providing "law and order". I'm sure they justified it to themselves the same way.

I imagine the cops who arrested Anne Franks family told themselves the same thing. They were just enforcing the law, and weren't responsible for any sentence the criminals might receive either.

Not sure what sort of afterlife you believe in, but I doubt many dieties would see it that way.

The difference is a big one. Did the police officers “ put their hands “ on the aggregator? Did they have to take him into custody to stop him? If the answer is yes, then they get arrested . Why? Both civil and criminal liability if they don’t .

 

[spat]

Both civil and criminal liability if they don’t .

Bullshit.

There are a dozen burning cities from the summer of love that prove you wrong.

Where the police stood by and watched arson and other major felonies and played the "see no evil" game.

If you can do that when the bad guys are running amok, you can certainly do it when the good guys are trying to stop them.

 

[Truebeliever]

Bullshit.

There are a dozen burning cities from the summer of love that prove you wrong.

Where the police stood by and watched arson and other major felonies and played the "see no evil" game.

If you can do that when the bad guys are running amok, you can certainly do it when the good guys are trying to stop them.

And that officer can be liable . You clearly never had to deal with such lawsuits or civilian complaints. We aren’t talking about shoving the people apart but rather having to hold the person. There is a difference and a point where that liability comes into play. Go look up where Portland cops are being sued and prosecuted

The plaintiff claims she was only trying to help a friend up. The police officer claims she was interfering with an arrest but:
“Jacobs was never arrested or charged with a crime during the incident”. By not arresting her, his story lost “ credibility “ and now he is being charged. This is now the norm.

Portland officer indicted on assault charge over use of force at August 2020 protest

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Cops who cut people breaks like not arresting the person or giving them a ticket, are now called liars when the person they gave the break to sues or makes a complaint. In other words , to the cop haters who say “why’d you stop me”, because of that atmosphere, cops are forced not to give breaks like they used to.

 

[Truebeliever]

There was no coup.

No attempt to install a new government.

The sole demands of the protestors on Jan 6th were that an election they believed was conducted illegitimately would not be upheld.

If they had gotten their way, and the 2020 election was not certified, then control of the US government would have passed to Nancy Pelosi at the conclusion of Trump and Pence's term. There was no path for either of them to remain in office.

Their claims have been shown to be not without merit. The courts in PA have recently ruled that the changes to the election process there were done unconstitutionally. That was one of the chief claims the Jan 6th protestors rested their objections on.

This was not a coup, or an insurrection, no matter how many times you claim otherwise.

People and especially the press forget that the democrats took over the floor of congress to block certification of Donald Trump’s election

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"There's no comparison ..."

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[Truebeliever]

Unfortunately the police have lost my support and have raised my eyebrows more than once. All one has to do is look how they enforce illegal mandates in NYC. When push comes to shove when their job and livelihood is on the line we see where their loyally resides. What's really disgusting is they watch fellow officers get fired and don't stand with them. It is without a doubt a tough decision but it weeds out the real Men and women from the boys and girls.

The NYPD is not enforcing the covid restrictions. They are enforcing the business owner’s property rights if and only if they are called. If a business does not call or care about the restrictions, the NYPD doesn’t care. The restrictions are enforced against businesses by the health department.

 

[spat]

And that officer can be liable . You clearly never had to deal with such lawsuits or civilian complaints. We aren’t talking about shoving the people apart but rather having to hold the person. There is a difference and a point where that liability comes into play. Go look up where Portland cops are being sued and prosecuted

The plaintiff claims she was only trying to help a friend up. The police officer claims she was interfering with an arrest but:
“Jacobs was never arrested or charged with a crime during the incident”. By not arresting her, his story lost “ credibility “ and now he is being charged. This is now the norm.

Portland officer indicted on assault charge over use of force at August 2020 protest

katu.com

Cops who cut people breaks like not arresting the person or giving them a ticket, are now called liars when the person they gave the break to sues or makes a complaint. In other words , to the cop haters who say “why’d you stop me”, because of that atmosphere, cops are forced not to give breaks like they used to.

Yea, sometimes doing the right thing isn't easy.

But always doing the safe thing isn't a good moral position either.

And someone who wants a job with very low risk should not choose to be a police officer.

I honestly can't understand the mentality "I'll take a job where I might get shot, but no way do I want to risk a lawsuit where my union might have to pay to defend me".