There are 3 vendors I go to the Syracuse gun shows to see, bs with and buy parts from, other than that it is a people watching event.
So, you didn't sell much at the gun show?
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
my local AR builder is selling AR at 650 and up NY fixed mag and all the Evil , he got a complaint his prices were to low from other vendors .. to bad so sad ..
i miss the shows where i could buy cannon fuse by the foot .. BP by the lb .. now its you can't have this or that at the ROC Dome show ... oh to dangerous ...
found some #11 cap for 3.50 a tin of 100 ... another for 10.00 for #10's .. its up to you sellers .. do you want to sell or hoard .. simple as that ..
FUAC ..
i miss the shows where i could buy cannon fuse by the foot .. BP by the lb .. now its you can't have this or that at the ROC Dome show ... oh to dangerous ...
found some #11 cap for 3.50 a tin of 100 ... another for 10.00 for #10's .. its up to you sellers .. do you want to sell or hoard .. simple as that ..
FUAC ..
Glenn B
.308 Win
Yep, guns shows are not what they were once upon a long time ago. There used to be good bargains, on guns, to find at them with almost regular frequency but it seems like it is almost impossible to find a good deal on a firearm at a gun show nowadays. It is not just in NY either. When down in AR a few weeks ago, I attended the Hot Springs gun show with my son. I took a look at a Remington Model 141 in 35 REM. It had pretty badly pitted metal on the barrel and receiver. It had been reblued right over the pitting. The wood was sort of decent but had a fair amount of little dings. It was nothing special but they wanted $750 if I remember right. The dealer did not want to come down in price. Thing was, that at the very beginning of that same 3 week road trip (that was week 2 or 3), I had stopped at an auction in Geneva, NY where I picked up a Remington 141 in 35 REM. The wood was nice except there was what looked like a factory repair of the stock where a maybe 1" square sized piece had been removed and replaced. If the grain on the new piece matched the old, it probably would have gone unnoticed, that is how perfectly it was fit into the stock. The metal is probably 85 to 90% without any pitting and it has a nice bore. It functions 100% and is a decent shooter. I got that one for $455 (auction bid plus buyer's premium plus tax). Still, that is $295 less than what the guy wanted in AR for one in much worse condition.
Other guns at the show in AR were priced as badly or worse. Ammo was just as bad or worse relatively speaking. I was pretty surprised that the prices down that way were as ridiculously high as gun show prices up here. There was also an overabundance of non-firearms related items.
Why the high prices. Well, my guess is that some bought the guns when prices went higher under Bush then got even higher underObummer Obama. Mostly though, I think it a combination of greed and the fact that folks are willing to pay those high prices or at least had been (that may wane soon). I see much the same thing at the Hessney Auctions I attend up in Geneva. People are willing to pay truly ridiculously high prices for guns for some reason that I cannot fathom. At the auction, you can get a decent to good deal now and again if you do your homework on the values of the guns n which you bid and do the math remembering to add in the buyer's premium (either 10% or 13% depending on how you pay) and sales tax. At the Hessney auctions it is not greed that gets them sold at too high a price but stupidity and ignorance. I have seen people pay from $200 to $300 over retail for new guns, even a good deal too much for used guns when they could find new ones readily available at dealers at much lower prices than their bids on the used ones.
Funny though, I got really good price on a pistol I sold to a dealer at the Albany show a few months ago and a decent price on a second pistol I sold to the same dealer. Go figure, all I could think is he wanted them for himself or would sell them at way above what they were worth. I was quite happy with what I got though.
Go shows today are screwy to say the least.
Other guns at the show in AR were priced as badly or worse. Ammo was just as bad or worse relatively speaking. I was pretty surprised that the prices down that way were as ridiculously high as gun show prices up here. There was also an overabundance of non-firearms related items.
Why the high prices. Well, my guess is that some bought the guns when prices went higher under Bush then got even higher under
Funny though, I got really good price on a pistol I sold to a dealer at the Albany show a few months ago and a decent price on a second pistol I sold to the same dealer. Go figure, all I could think is he wanted them for himself or would sell them at way above what they were worth. I was quite happy with what I got though.
Go shows today are screwy to say the least.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Hhhhhmmmmm. That is EXACTLY what happened to me at the saratoga show last week.
I'm not sure what you guys expect to pay for things. I see Ammo at the gun shows that I participate in the guy sells his ammo for basically what I can buy it for wholesale. I just bought 1000 rounds of PP you for $285 per thousand. Now he gave me my friendly discount of five dollars. Granted.
My friend Nick from Northeast reloading sells on the Internet. His prices on the Internet are the same at the gun show. He sells hornady he 55 grain full metal jacket boat tails for 7 1/2 or eight cents apiece. He sells 1000 Primers for $28-$30. All the rest of his stuff is basically Internet pricing.
How much cheaper do you think people should sell shit for?
Now, I have been looking for a Browning A5 so I could cut it down and make a short barrel rifle. I have not seem to be able to find one that I was willing to pay for. So I have to agree with you on the Browning A5.
Glenn B
.308 Win
You may know a couple of guys who sell ammo or components at a fairly good price at a gun show you attend BUT there are probably another 2 to 4 ammo dealers, at each show, who sell ammo at super inflated prices. At the Saratoga Springs gun show, where we met, I saw three tables on which Aguila 22 LR ammo was being sold. The lowest price for a brick (500 rounds) was $40 but the two other tables had it at higher prices than imaginable, one at $50 and one at $60 for the same exact ammunition. It was at the end of the show and I asked the guy who had the lowest price if he would take $30 for a brick and he obliged. It would have cost me more to order it and pay shipping. An okay deal it was but that was the exception from what I saw there. Another vendor had Remington Core-Lokt 200 grain 35REM available for $50 per box! Hell, I recently picked up a box for $31.99 at Bass pro Shop and as I remember it was about $35 or $37 per box at gander Mountain (the all time big box ripoff in my opinion).
At another recent show I attended, a vendor offered 22WMR at $175 per brick of 500 rounds (and then add sales tax). I almost started laughing in his face and had to bite my tongue not to do so or call him an arsehat because it was Armscor ammo!!! I got a brick, with free shipping, back in March for just under $105.00 and it is even less expensive now. Online prices for that same ammo now are as low as $99.99 per brick. Even with shipping added it is not going to cost anywhere near as much. In fact, I can get 500 rounds of the same ammo for $99.99 shipped or 1K rounds for $194.99 shipped; then add $10 because I have it shipped to an FFL. Getting it immediately at a show for 1.75 times the price I can get it for online does not make it a good deal no matter how you look at it. Someone at the Saratoga Springs show was asking for $30 or $35 (as best I recall) for 50 rounds of CCI 22WMR!
In the past, gun shows were a good deal because many of the vendors did not have overhead for a brick and mortar gun store. They bought ammo and stored it in their garages, then hauled it to the show in their vans or pickup trucks. They gave considerable discounts over local gun stores and even big chain stores on ammo. Maybe the Internet changed all that but then they should still be able to meet or beat Internet prices even with the paying for a table and gas and tolls. Charging so much more, as some do, could be due to them buying too high under Obama. Then again, I think it probably is due to one thing - greed. I say that because most of the ammo they are selling now, especially in rimfire, was pretty much unavailable under the last 4 years of Obama at least until maybe the very end. of course, there were greedy bastards way back when too.
As for firearms, you can almost forget about getting a good deal unless it is from a hobbyist type seller who has a table with some decent offerings or from a guy walking the floor who is not a dealer. When a dealer at a show sells a Henry Lever for $150 to $200 over what is retail at my local gun store - something is very wrong. Yet, I have seen it several times now for that very basic model. I guess folks must be buying at those prices but I have no clue as to why they do. It is the same at the auctions I attend, certain models wind up getting bids at substantially more than you would pay at a local gun store and way-way above what you could find online.
I do not expect super excellent lowball prices at a gun show but I do expect reasonable prices and maybe a really good deal on a gun or ammo now and again. The thing is, it is getting harder and harder to find even reasonable prices at many a dealer's table. Therefor, I go to the Hessney Auctions in Geneva as often as I can afford it and have the time to do. I go to try to get a good deal but also because I enjoy the auctions. I have gotten some decent deals and a couple of truly excellent deals on firearms there. Sadly, I have fallen to the bidding frenzy bug once or twice and paid too much for something when I should have known better. The thing is though, if I keep my bidding under control, I can almost always get at least a decent deal there and that is just not happening at guns shows as often as it used to happen.
@Bullet Guy, when I go to I show I expect prices to be a least a little below MSRP, which is often not the case at the ones I've been to. Perhaps vendors still have come to terms with the post panic market.
STS556
.223 Rem
One example I clearly remember and others here may remember too at the recent White Plains show was a Ruger Precision rifle. That vendor was asking $1800 for a completely stock rifle which is $400 above MSRP. That is a ripoff no matter how you look at it. I could understand selling for MSRP but when asking prices are hundreds above MSRP with no mods to the gun, then that's the point when you are paying too much.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
i saw 4 RPR at the saratoga show. two were $1399 and two were $1299.
i know CDNN had em on sale last month for $1199 (thats about $100 more than i would pay for them........if i could get em......why would i put out nearly $100 to make $100? cant do it....wont do it.).......but come on...CDNN is MASSIVE online realtor.....tough to compete with them in any way.
S&W Fan
.475 A&M Magnum
Meh, I mostly go to the Syracuse gun show because I love checking out guns and talking to some of the vendors that have been there for as along as I have been going. Over 30 years now. I plan the day around the show and just take my time. I never get tired of looking at the same stuff. Old or newer. Hell, that's why I got into guns in the first place. If or when I find something I'm interested in and I can negotiate a deal that both the vendor and I are happy with , then that's just icing on the cake. If not well, I still call it a good day when I can stroll through a 1000 tables full of guns and accessories in one place.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
Shame. I was thinking of selling some stuff.
I am as well. Matter of fact, I am getting ready to post up a glock 27 later tonight.
@S&W Fan That's the attitude I have when I go to a Gun Show! The last show at Saratoga it was a vendor that sells magazines that pointed me to the table that had the 10 rd mag for my S&W 6906 for $40.00 That was less then what I paid for the ones I got from S&W after the Un-Safe past.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Glock?
I've been to exactly 1 gun show in NY. That was far more than enough for me.
This was back around when the PPS first hit the market, and I asked to handle it (it was on display), and was treated with such disrespect that I, a vary calm and "brush it off", have nothing to prove, hate Internet badasses, guy, almost knocked this guys teeth out.
Turns out it was a LGS, and they VERY shortly thereafter went out of business, and I can see why.
This was back around when the PPS first hit the market, and I asked to handle it (it was on display), and was treated with such disrespect that I, a vary calm and "brush it off", have nothing to prove, hate Internet badasses, guy, almost knocked this guys teeth out.
Turns out it was a LGS, and they VERY shortly thereafter went out of business, and I can see why.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You should have blown 15 bucks.I've been to exactly 1 gun show in NY. That was far more than enough for me.
This was back around when the PPS first hit the market, and I asked to handle it (it was on display), and was treated with such disrespect that I, a vary calm and "brush it off", have nothing to prove, hate Internet badasses, guy, almost knocked this guys teeth out.
Turns out it was a LGS, and they VERY shortly thereafter went out of business, and I can see why.
This clown was asking for it.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
can you convert it to black powder for me
LOL ..I would pick up a brick of .22 here or there before the .22 shortage when they were @ $20.00. If I was at a LGS, big box store or gun show, it didn't matter, I 'd get one so I always had some on hand. I was at a WNY gun show and there was this ammo vendor who had bricks of .22, I 'm getting ready to leave and figure I'll get a brick. He had the brick marked $18. As we're making the transaction he says " eighteen plus a dollar tax". The guy next to me says he ain't paying tax, it's going straight into his pocket.
I still see that vendor but I won't buy from him. His ammo is a little pricey anyway.
There are other vendors I see that are still trying to get $35, $40 for a box of Federal Champion 325 rd. .22LR.
I still see that vendor but I won't buy from him. His ammo is a little pricey anyway.
There are other vendors I see that are still trying to get $35, $40 for a box of Federal Champion 325 rd. .22LR.
Yep, I have a 27 that I do not care for and have decided to move it along to a better home.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Nobody likes those. Gander at Middletown had a whole display case on used Glocks. They were almost all .40's.
Are you forced to have a Glock as your duty piece?
Yeah, Glock 22 for work. No other options are allowed. Not sure why I decided to even buy the 27, impulse buy i guess.
Is the 27 convertible ? I did the conversion on my M&P 40 to 9mm.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
I like to go browse around for a few hours and see some new stuff. I usually come home with signs or stickers or things of that nature.
I think many of the vendors that cruise the gun show tour are just bored and looking for something to do on the weekend. They're not super interested in selling much, if anything.
I think many of the vendors that cruise the gun show tour are just bored and looking for something to do on the weekend. They're not super interested in selling much, if anything.
Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
I'm thinking of maybe selling my CZ. I have had it for a million years and I just never get around to shooting it anymore. When I grab a WW II pistol my P-38 is my hands down favorite so nothing else gets any love.
Justincase
.308 Win
I like the stickers and random stuff. Love to see the stink faces on the soccer moms in the rear view when they finally figure out my FUAC sticker. Never gets old.
Glenn B
.308 Win
Once upon a time, I had at least two state troopers, in full uniform, follow me to my car in the parking lot at the gun show in Middletown, NY. One was in the row to left of my car's row and the other one row to the right. They actually hunkered down and almost duck walked, every now and then putting up their heads to take a peek as I brought a rifle I had been trying to sell (inside the show) back to my car. It was friggin comical, I guess they thought I was about to try to sell it in the parking lot. Funny, there was a guy in the parking lot earlier, who asked me if I was selling whatever rifle I had with me when I was taking it inside. I told him it was not for sale until I got inside and he could look at it then if he wanted to see it. I never saw him again. He looked like the Fudd type (or like cop pretending to be a Fudd).
They did arrest a guy, older man with gray hair and I seem to remember gray goatee. He was bawling outside the hall as they escorted him away in cuffs. It was truly a sad sight to behold. God forbid you so much as open your trunk and show someone a gun you want to sell inside; you probably would join a long list of railroaded felons.