State Police arrest an Ontario County resident for Criminal Possession of a Weapon 2nd degree (Class C Felony),

[GOYABEAN]

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[Calculon]

Clutch your pearls, more regulation in 3, 2, 1....

 

[MothMan]

Loose lips sink ships!

 

[Bob]

Wonder if he had a permit.

 

[Chevusa]

What a dummy. Shipping all of that shit through the mail....

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Let's see who stops posting here for a long time. Good luck Mark!

 

[spat]

I'd call him a political prisoner, but look at all the victims. /sarc

 

[1Self]

It sounds like much of what was seized was legal parts. I'm curious. What happens to those legal parts?

 

[MillidotShooter]

It sounds like much of what was seized was legal parts. I'm curious. What happens to those legal parts?

Some... Yes... But NOT all... That's where they get you. High Cap Mags, Silencers and "Ghost" Pistol lowers are all illegal. And as of recently, sow are "Ghost" Rifle lowers. They can't charge him for the legal shit like ammo, uppers, barrels and parts... But all that other shit... ESPECIALLY the SILENCERS, which is most likely the source of his trouble in the first place, since you need a Tax Stamp for them and probably why Homeland was involved. Saw a vid the other day about some dude who had ATF show up at his door because he had purchased "Fuel Filters". Turns out the dude is actually a Diesel Mechanic and what he ordered actually WERE fuel filters, but ATF has been tracking purchases for them.

 

[spat]

Some... Yes... But NOT all... That's where they get you. High Cap Mags, Silencers and "Ghost" Pistol lowers are all illegal. And as of recently, sow are "Ghost" Rifle lowers. They can't charge him for the legal shit like ammo, uppers, barrels and parts... But all that other shit... ESPECIALLY the SILENCERS, which is most likely the source of his trouble in the first place, since you need a Tax Stamp for them and probably why Homeland was involved. Saw a vid the other day about some dude who had ATF show up at his door because he had purchased "Fuel Filters". Turns out the dude is actually a Diesel Mechanic and what he ordered actually WERE fuel filters, but ATF has been tracking purchases for them.

Pistol lowers aren't pistols until assembled into a firearm.

You could just build your glock with a 26" barrel and it'd be a legal "other", permit or not.

I don't believe the 80% laws have passed, and once they do it'll be another 6 months or a year before they are in effect.

I think the only thing they have him on is actual assembled pistols and suppressors.

 

[Deplorable Me]

If there was no criminal intent he was essentially arrested for being a prepper. Probably hoarded toilet paper too.

 

[1Self]

They can't charge him for the legal shit like ammo, uppers, barrels and parts...

But they seized all that stuff anyway. What are the chances that he gets the legal parts back?

 

[1Self]

Pistol lowers aren't pistols until assembled into a firearm.

You could just build your glock with a 26" barrel and it'd be a legal "other", permit or not.

I don't believe the 80% laws have passed, and once they do it'll be another 6 months or a year before they are in effect.

I think the only thing they have him on is actual assembled pistols and suppressors.

Does this mean that as long as it's not assembled you're fine? Is that just for pistols or for rifles too? If that's true, someone could have a not-so-NYSAFE rifle and just separate the upper from the lower until they're ready to fire.

 

[RooftopKorean]

I love how these dumb fucks always mention all the legal items like ammo, parts and probably the vast majority of the guns.

 

[Chevusa]

Pistol lowers aren't pistols until assembled into a firearm.

You could just build your glock with a 26" barrel and it'd be a legal "other", permit or not.

I don't believe the 80% laws have passed, and once they do it'll be another 6 months or a year before they are in effect.

I think the only thing they have him on is actual assembled pistols and suppressors.

I believe they are produced as a pistol. When I was looking at a shop at AR lowers those made as pistol lowers all had fixed mags and those made as rifles did not. You cannot get a Glock lower and possess it if not on your permit. I believe the pistol lowers are regulated as such. You could certainly convert it to something else but it is born as a pistol.

 

[spat]

I believe they are produced as a pistol. When I was looking at a shop at AR lowers those made as pistol lowers all had fixed mags and those made as rifles did not. You cannot get a Glock lower and possess it if not on your permit. I believe the pistol lowers are regulated as such. You could certainly convert it to something else but it is born as a pistol.

I believe you are correct for factory glock lowers (although the once a rifle always a rifle thing doesn't work the other way, so it's inconsistent).

But these were reportedly 80% lowers. Which means they haven't ever been a pistol until they are assembled as a pistol.

As with many things unfortunately, whether you are guilty or not depends on how much "justice" you can afford. With an expensive enough lawyer I am sure you could avoid a conviction for parts as long as there was no evidence they had ever been assembled.

 

[MillidotShooter]

I don't believe the 80% laws have passed, and once they do it'll be another 6 months or a year before they are in effect.

Passed on July 24th. Under the new law, only Licensed Gunsmiths can purchase them. Plus they will have to serialize ALL finished lowers and register them. Private Citizens will not be able to purchase them at all. That would be my defense for the unfinished ones. Purchased before the law changed. The assembled one and the silencers (Which are absolutely 100% illegal in this shithole), well... He's going to have a major issue with them...

 

[repete]

Passed on July 24th. Under the new law, only Licensed Gunsmiths can purchase them. Plus they will have to serialize ALL finished lowers and register them. Private Citizens will not be able to purchase them at all. That would be my defense for the unfinished ones. Purchased before the law changed. The assembled one and the silencers (Which are absolutely 100% illegal in this shithole), well... He's going to have a major issue with them...

Well, there goes that idea! ya snooze ya lose.

 

[spat]

Passed on July 24th. Under the new law, only Licensed Gunsmiths can purchase them. Plus they will have to serialize ALL finished lowers and register them. Private Citizens will not be able to purchase them at all. That would be my defense for the unfinished ones. Purchased before the law changed. The assembled one and the silencers (Which are absolutely 100% illegal in this shithole), well... He's going to have a major issue with them...

If you are referring to S7763A, it passed the NYS Senate on the 24th.

It has not passed the assembly or been signed into law by FUAC.

Both of those are just a formality at this point, but it is not a law until that happens.

Also, assuming it isn't altered before the assembly version passes or FUAC signs it, you have 6 months before they become illegal.

So, this guy is not in danger from the "ghost gun" section.

As I said, all they have him on is lack of a permit and the silencers.

But the silencers are 10 years prison each. He would have been better off killing someone. IN NYS you can be out for lunch on that one.

 

[soylentBlue]

The bill doesn't limit the ban to 80% lowers - it says "unfinished frame or receiver" - where do they draw the line?
Considering a 0% would be just a block of metal or plastic, does NYS consider a block with a hole in a 1% lower and thus illegal? Where is the cutoff? 50%? 25%?
Let's say they did specify 80% lowers - would it be possible for a company to design something called (for example) a 75% lower and by-pass the law?

 

[spat]

The bill doesn't limit the ban to 80% lowers - it says "unfinished frame or receiver" - where do they draw the line?
Considering a 0% would be just a block of metal or plastic, does NYS consider a block with a hole in a 1% lower and thus illegal? Where is the cutoff? 50%? 25%?
Let's say they did specify 80% lowers - would it be possible for a company to design something called (for example) a 75% lower and by-pass the law?

That's the whole ridiculous part.

Either they ban the whole home depot plumbing aisle or they just pick some arbitrary point and people will sell kits tailored exactly to their law.

 

[MillidotShooter]

That's the whole ridiculous part.

Either they ban the whole home depot plumbing aisle or they just pick some arbitrary point and people will sell kits tailored exactly to their law.

I think the cut off is no serial Number... If it doesn't have that it is "Ghost"...

 

[GOYABEAN]

The bill doesn't limit the ban to 80% lowers - it says "unfinished frame or receiver" - where do they draw the line?
Considering a 0% would be just a block of metal or plastic, does NYS consider a block with a hole in a 1% lower and thus illegal? Where is the cutoff? 50%? 25%?
Let's say they did specify 80% lowers - would it be possible for a company to design something called (for example) a 75% lower and by-pass the law?

apparently if cardboard cutouts are confiscated in land a 0% block of aluminum doesn't stand a chance

 

[spat]

I think the cut off is no serial Number... If it doesn't have that it is "Ghost"...

It's not the serial number per se. It's the associated registration.

I can slap a serial number on anything. The law makes that illegal, unless I have an FFL and record and retain all the registration details.

It is a defacto distributed gun registry.

 

[MillidotShooter]

It's not the serial number per se. It's the associated registration.

I can slap a serial number on anything. The law makes that illegal, unless I have an FFL and record and retain all the registration details.

It is a defacto distributed gun registry.

Yeah, sorry... I didn't specify the Serial Number registration because I figured that would be a given. Point being anything untraceable through a paper trail would fall under the "Ghost Gun" spectrum...

 

[xcvPro]

Does anyone know if they were actually suppressors? Could they of been unfinished solvent traps maybe?

 

[Robin]

FUNY!
Robin

 

[Grimscale]

Yeah, sorry... I didn't specify the Serial Number registration because I figured that would be a given. Point being anything untraceable through a paper trail would fall under the "Ghost Gun" spectrum...

But wouldn't that be any rifle/shotgun? None of those are registered.

And i thought it was the Right of Americans to build firearms for themselves without requiring serial numbers or registration?
(I'm sure they are changing this - after all, they've already demonstrated they do not believe in "Rights".)

 

[spat]

But wouldn't that be any rifle/shotgun? None of those are registered.

And i thought it was the Right of Americans to build firearms for themselves without requiring serial numbers or registration?
(I'm sure they are changing this - after all, they've already demonstrated they do not believe in "Rights".)

All long guns made in the last 50+ years have been registered.

It's not a centralized database, but they can trace any one of them to the first retail sale at least.

 

[fresch]

Could anyone anywhere show where registration stopped a crime?
How about solved a crime, must be at least 2 times for this one.