State zoning would destroy New York suburbs

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They are trying to do this on a federal level so they can import inner city trash into our neighborhoods and make high rises in suburbs to make it cheaper.
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Remember when Astorino opposed this in Westchester under Obama? The Liberal Progressives shouted, "Astorino is against affordable housing!"
 
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This is a weird one. Think about it for a second: the state is trying to reduce the amount of regulation and everyone here is in opposition.

What is being said in this thread is "NO! I want my local government to be able to limit what I can build on my property!"

Though that's not quite the case. I don't think anyone here wants to be limited on what they can build on their property. We just want our neighbors to be limited on what they can build on theirs.

...which sounds awfully liberal... :oops:
 
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OwnTheRide said:
This is a weird one. Think about it for a second: the state is trying to reduce the amount of regulation and everyone here is in opposition.

What is being said in this thread is "NO! I want my local government to be able to limit what I can build on my property!"

Though that's not quite the case. I don't think anyone here wants to be limited on what they can build on their property. We just want our neighbors to be limited on what they can build on theirs.

...which sounds awfully liberal... :oops:
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Swing and a miss. Nice try, though. Decision-making at the lowest level of government (aka local-control) is a decidedly Conservative principle, and was one of the foundations of the original movement. Citizens have no greater chance at truly representative government than at the local level. Statists always seek to remove that local control as they attempt to consolidate ever more power.
 
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Swing and a miss. Nice try, though. Decision-making at the lowest level of government (aka local-control) is a decidedly Conservative principle, and was one of the foundations of the original movement. Citizens have no greater chance at truly representative government than at the local level. Statists always seek to remove that local control as they attempt to consolidate ever more power.
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Nothing is that absolute. We long ago learned that there needs to be some level of non-local control - that's why the Articles of Confederation didn't work out.

For a very relevant example, we enjoy state-level preemption when it comes to gun laws. That's what prevents localities from creating laws and regulations that would, say, prohibit you from carrying in a neighboring county. This is the same exact concept, applied to zoning.

Are you similarly opposed to state preemption for our gun laws as well?
 
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State zoning would destroy New York suburbs :​


More likely it would destroy conservative voteing base'es most likely being filled with aliens and financed by US banks

Now small town NY can enjoy the culture of thousands of Conogeese or Salvadorians into an area with no industry and few jobs Perhaps a few thousand Muslims from Afganistan would enrich the lives of People in Orchard park NY
 
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OwnTheRide said:
This is a weird one. Think about it for a second: the state is trying to reduce the amount of regulation and everyone here is in opposition.

What is being said in this thread is "NO! I want my local government to be able to limit what I can build on my property!"

Though that's not quite the case. I don't think anyone here wants to be limited on what they can build on their property. We just want our neighbors to be limited on what they can build on theirs.

...which sounds awfully liberal... :oops:
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Think about it. You buy a house in a single family house area. Now the state changes it. The developers are going to make flop houses around you. Overnight the neighborhood changes.
Remember how investment banking firms like Blackrock were buying up single family homes increasing the prices of starter homes? Could that be a reason for this big push by the state?
 
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Fuck the UN. Why do humans think they have to have all of the answers? Humans think they're all that. Sorry, I am not trying to save the world. I also realize that no matter how you slice it some people will have it harder than others. Again, I am not trying to save the world. I also don't go out of my way to screw it up either. I take care of myself, my wife and my kids until they can take care of themselves. Call me selfish if you must. I don't care. Dress it up how ever you must. It still winds up as socialism. Now I can't live the way I want and have worked for because someone else doesn't have the same ability? To hell with that. Not that I want to die but I am also up for not being here forever the way the world is going. "They" cause problems and then have insane solutions for the problems "they" cause. My sympathy/empathy tank is running on fumes.
 
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OwnTheRide said:
Nothing is that absolute. We long ago learned that there needs to be some level of non-local control - that's why the Articles of Confederation didn't work out.

For a very relevant example, we enjoy state-level preemption when it comes to gun laws. That's what prevents localities from creating laws and regulations that would, say, prohibit you from carrying in a neighboring county. This is the same exact concept, applied to zoning.

Are you similarly opposed to state preemption for our gun laws as well?
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So kind of like your upstate license not honored in NYC
 
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Building One America strategic partner John Powell had this to say about racism and the suburbs:

“In creating the suburbs it was explicit that the suburbs were for whites only. You had demands for civil rights, and you had the federal government essentially paying white people to leave the central city and to live in this new space – a white space – called the suburbs. The structure of that is still what we’re living with today. So much of the work of Jim Crow laws was maintaining social distance between blacks and whites. Now whites lived in the suburbs, and blacks and racialized others lived in the city. Social differences became redefined through these fragmented, racialized, metropolitan areas. Money was divested from the city, which were old neighborhoods where black were more likely to live, and suburbs were created”.
 
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Obama Using Agenda 21 “Regionalism” to Covertly Destroy America’s Suburbs | SFPPR

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I can keep posting, real and important information on this if some are interested. If not, I will stop.
 
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GOPerfect said:
Building One America strategic partner John Powell had this to say about racism and the suburbs:

“In creating the suburbs it was explicit that the suburbs were for whites only. You had demands for civil rights, and you had the federal government essentially paying white people to leave the central city and to live in this new space – a white space – called the suburbs. The structure of that is still what we’re living with today. So much of the work of Jim Crow laws was maintaining social distance between blacks and whites. Now whites lived in the suburbs, and blacks and racialized others lived in the city. Social differences became redefined through these fragmented, racialized, metropolitan areas. Money was divested from the city, which were old neighborhoods where black were more likely to live, and suburbs were created”.
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I live in the suburbs. There are black families in the suburbs where I live. There are black families that have nicer houses than I do. There are black families that drive nicer cars than I do. Stop with the fucking excuses already. Stop being parasites no matter what skin color you have. Take personal responsibility for your actions. If you have kids do the right thing and raise them properly. Spend time with them. Teach them right from wrong. Work hard. Be kind to all people. Stop being a victim. I mean seriously, is it really that fucking difficult to understand?
 
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OwnTheRide said:
This is a weird one. Think about it for a second: the state is trying to reduce the amount of regulation and everyone here is in opposition.

What is being said in this thread is "NO! I want my local government to be able to limit what I can build on my property!"

Though that's not quite the case. I don't think anyone here wants to be limited on what they can build on their property. We just want our neighbors to be limited on what they can build on theirs.

...which sounds awfully liberal... :oops:
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Interesting take but reading the article it appears to be more of a mandate on what to build rather than a step towards more freedom.
 
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OwnTheRide said:
Nothing is that absolute. We long ago learned that there needs to be some level of non-local control - that's why the Articles of Confederation didn't work out.

For a very relevant example, we enjoy state-level preemption when it comes to gun laws. That's what prevents localities from creating laws and regulations that would, say, prohibit you from carrying in a neighboring county. This is the same exact concept, applied to zoning.

Are you similarly opposed to state preemption for our gun laws as well?
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Faulty logic. Not a valid comparison.
 
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