No, you should be able to decide who you associate with. For any reason.
Syracuse U. Students Demand Right to Select Roommate by Race
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spat
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It's only a free society if everyone can do it.You should be able to do this in free society...
If only people of one race can do it, that's systemic racism.
meketrefe
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Ok. So we agree there cannot be a building that says black or white people only so I am free to go there and visit or share a dorm with my buddy dave chappele.
I hear your point and agree 100% and while your approach comes from the purest form of liberty I dont think this segregation idea comes from there but the opposite and following the trend associated with the democratic endoctrination agenda.
I don't really care their reason for wanting it. The point stands that you should be able to associate with whoever you wish for any reason
meketrefe
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Again, I am ok with a kid choosing who they want for any reason as soon as one does not start with the "our spaces" BS because you cannot prevent others from entering a public building based on color, religion, political associstion, etc...
In your house you can invite whoever you want but not in a public building, school, college, public offices, etc...
spat
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Depends on what you define as public.
Government enforced segregation is wrong, but if a private business wants to exclude half their potential customers, the free market should decide if they can get away with it or not.
Something like a dorm like this ? Well, it's a public university, but the dorms are private and only open to residents and their guests. If they can get enough people of one group that want to exclude everyone else to fill a floor or a whole dorm, so be it.
But as a public college they need to open that option to *any* group, regardless of their membership criteria.
Marine Cpl
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I gave it some thought. At first I agreed with Darth. He made a good point about choice. But after thinking on it further, where does the choice end? How far can you take it? Can you say that you only want to be roomed with a white? What if he isn’t white enough? What if he’s a dark Sicilian? What if he’s looks white but is Puerto Rican? What if all you want is an Asian but there are none? What if a Chinese gets put in with a Japanese?
It should be totally random. When in the Marines, I saw black kids roomed with white cowboys. They became the best of friends. Black kids buying Garth Brooks CDs. That’s what I saw. I also saw a white kid who never saw a Mexican before go to the Mexican’s family’s house for thanksgiving on a 72hr leave. All those kids probably had their prejudices until experiencing those experiences.
In life we can’t choose our coworkers due to comfort . A soldier in a fire team can’t choose who he’s going to fight beside. A cop can’t choose who he will ride with as a partner. A stock boy can’t choose what race his boss is going to be. So why as a child in a school?
It should be totally random. When in the Marines, I saw black kids roomed with white cowboys. They became the best of friends. Black kids buying Garth Brooks CDs. That’s what I saw. I also saw a white kid who never saw a Mexican before go to the Mexican’s family’s house for thanksgiving on a 72hr leave. All those kids probably had their prejudices until experiencing those experiences.
In life we can’t choose our coworkers due to comfort . A soldier in a fire team can’t choose who he’s going to fight beside. A cop can’t choose who he will ride with as a partner. A stock boy can’t choose what race his boss is going to be. So why as a child in a school?
meketrefe
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The military is not a private business and you do not have a saying on accommodations of any kind. In fact, the military is segregated only
by gender (for living quarters) and rank. Unless things have changed is also not part of any terms in any contractual agreement with them.
I don't think a privately owned bar can ask people to leave based on their color w/o violating fundamental civil rights.
Other conditions, perhaps, but not one associated with race, religion, etc...
By the same token a customer cannot demand to be serviced in a way that is offensive or morally questionable and the owner
reserves the right to deny such service.
Look for signs on doors that might indicate what is not allowed or allowed like for example a no solicitation sign.
by gender (for living quarters) and rank. Unless things have changed is also not part of any terms in any contractual agreement with them.
I don't think a privately owned bar can ask people to leave based on their color w/o violating fundamental civil rights.
Other conditions, perhaps, but not one associated with race, religion, etc...
By the same token a customer cannot demand to be serviced in a way that is offensive or morally questionable and the owner
reserves the right to deny such service.
Look for signs on doors that might indicate what is not allowed or allowed like for example a no solicitation sign.
spat
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You are correct about how things are.
The question is how they should be.
If the owners of a property want to restrict access (or service) to any combination of people for any reason they should have the right.
Public properties are owned by all of us, so the people we employ to manage them for us don't get to pick and choose the same way.
What difference does it make if the military does anything? They get lots of stuff grossly wrong.
The bases are gun free zones. Only guns for the privlaged.
libertysnake
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I see how how it is. Knew you always had it in for Sicilians.
meketrefe
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Wasnt that what happened to a Bakery who denied a type of cake to a Gay couple?
The owner has a right to deny a cake that is offensive to him/her.
I guess many folks these days confuse PC with civil rights.
Bustedknees
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Seems Cuomo threw Syracuse City, the police dept, and the University under the bus hard in the matter. Cuomo usually carries the votes in the district,,, but his stupid comments will cost him this time..
dwa12479
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100% agree. I think the point of contention here is the double standard we're seeing.
If a group of white students staged a sit-in at the Chancellor's office and demanded to room only with other whites... they would be burned to the ground as vile racists.
Marine Cpl
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None. It was bought up because I was in it and saw the positives of what a total random rooming situation brought about.
is it possible to have a BMI of 2% and have 34D breasts? (asking for a friend!)
Catskillkid
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During a sit-in protest against Syverud, students rattled off a list of demands. “The general consensus is that black students, and we’re talking specifically on behalf of Black students, may feel safer and better rooming with other Black students...
Considering the leading cause of death of black people is overwhelmingly other black people I think they may want to reconsider that demand.
Considering the leading cause of death of black people is overwhelmingly other black people I think they may want to reconsider that demand.
Jmac00
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as long as said breast are firm, with points of their own, sitting way up high
spat
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Technically they were fine baking cakes for gay people, they refused to bake gay wedding cakes. They wouldn't have sold that cake to a straight friend of the gays either.
I liken it to a Muslim deli that refuses to make ham sandwiches.
However, I believe they should be able to be however bigoted they want, if they want to run the KKK bakery and only serve white Christian men that should be their choice, let the market decide if it works or not.
OK, and it can also bring about negatives. And you know who should decide? The individual.
What's wrong is wrong. I don't care if the other side is doing it or not.
Marine Cpl
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To what point can the individual decide? If he wants all white pastafarians with spaghetti bowls and there are none, what then? He gets a room all by himself then? And if they force a some white Protestant in the room with him, what then? Tantrum? Legal action?
E the massive
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Does it matter? It's a University dorm situation. Let them sit in, sit down, demand Pandas as roomates. I say go for it, but you are stuck with the roommate you choose.
If he is on with paying the full price for a room by himself, sure!
Marine Cpl
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And if none are available?
Then he has the choice: Room with those that are available, or room elsewhere?
dwa12479
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99cummins
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Only white people can be racist...
Yes.
Of course, I am certain you mean what you say.
If a white person decided they wished to room with only white people, that would also be ok.
Right ?