Talking about prepping will get you Dead

[Acer-m14]

another thing with the young will be trying to figure out how to cook a MRE or even make a simple sammy after there phone goes dead .. let alone build a fire ... it would be really darwin of them to kill the person with food and witts .. they would just end up starving .. LOL ..

others .. blow them up

 

[GOPerfect]

So, I prepare always for the future. I prepare for all kinds of things. Zombie type take over is on the list, not the top; it is there though.

I prepare for my retirement. I have plans to have more money and resources than I have now.

I prepare for when my son goes onto college. I save money for the unseen life events, ie home needing a roof, car repairs and so on.

I prepare for many things, I talk about stuff like this with family, with friends and co-workers. I have talked about some things here as well.

Through these conversations, I have learned more from others than I have contributed at times. Other people, sometimes they know more than I do.

I remember shows like preppers, those people; wow, they are out there. Out in left field for sure. In everyday life, like @Willjr75 states regularly, I attempt to stay gray. Depending on how one goes about it, the conversation about this subject can be very helpful and beneficial.

 

[spat]

Yes it's definitely better to just do nothing....

Why bother trying??



I bet there are a lot of people right now in Venezuela who wish they did more when times were good...

Planning to just survive a collapse is the wrong approach IMHO.

You should be planning to exploit it.

Any drastic change in society opens opportunities to move upward. In short, don't try to hold on to your former quality of life. Plan on becoming one of the new upper class.

Sure, after a sufficiently brutal collapse the new upper class may not have a quality of life even comparable to the existing middle class, but you are looking to carve out a place for yourself in the new society, not hold on to remnants of the old one.

 

[Vapor]

I find two classes of people who obsess about collapse.

Those who live in perpetual fear of "what if"?

Those who fantasize about becoming "important " when "shtf". These are mostly incels who can't seem to hold a full time job, living in their parents basement, saving for their poverty pony ar15.

I get having some guns, body armor, first aid, medical supplies, and a few months of food, but any material possession can be taken from you at any time. It's your heart, your will, your skill set, and your perseverance that see you eastern front like hard times. It's not how many rounds you have, nor the essential oils, nor the fish antibiotics you store....

Life in the state of nature is nasty, brutish, and short. So do you look for a leviathan, or do your philosophies align with a jeffersonian tone?

 

[MilesTeg]

No. You just don't tell anyone what you are doing.

To a point I agree. You need to have numbers on your side. It helps ensure survival. Unless your going to live like a rabbit and be constantly on the move and afraid for your life every moment.

 

[Celt]

“Like minded people”

No fucking way. It will be everyone for themselves. Everyone will take advantage of any and all situations that will enhance their position.

They will fuck you for a number of reasons. #1 being fear........

Good thing you are a giant among little people over there.

 

[Celt]

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As far as supplies go, you have to be smart. You have to go out there in a SHTF environment and beg just like everyone else unless you are alone in the wilderness. Wear dirty clothes. Grow your beard out. Look disheveled. Carry a concealed weapon. Don't tell anyone you have one. Don't wear multicam. Look grey.

At night around midnight when everyone is sleeping, you then eat your stored food.

Exactly

 

[Celt]

Planning to just survive a collapse is the wrong approach IMHO.

You should be planning to exploit it.

Any drastic change in society opens opportunities to move upward. In short, don't try to hold on to your former quality of life. Plan on becoming one of the new upper class.

Sure, after a sufficiently brutal collapse the new upper class may not have a quality of life even comparable to the existing middle class, but you are looking to carve out a place for yourself in the new society, not hold on to remnants of the old one.

One key fact for anyone looking to survive.

Be prepared to do the inthinkable, the moral crushing, stomach turning type of things. It wont just be evil looking bad guys trying to take your food, weapons, water, shelter, and family members (people will be a resource). There will be women and children, other families that try to do you harm.

Or, it may be you that becomes the "bad guy" that ends up taking supplies from other struggling families so you can feed your starving children. Thats an ugly thought, but its a reality in a true SHTF lobg term scenario.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

One key fact for anyone looking to survive.

Be prepared to do the inthinkable, the moral crushing, stomach turning type of things. It wont just be evil looking bad guys trying to take your food, weapons, water, shelter, and family members (people will be a resource). There will be women and children, other families that try to do you harm.

Or, it may be you that becomes the "bad guy" that ends up taking supplies from other struggling families so you can feed your starving children. Thats an ugly thought, but its a reality in a true SHTF lobg term scenario.

I think if it is a full out SHTF a lot of people are going to die.

As a society so many Americans have never actually been challenged or experienced any real adversity in their lives. Everything is readily available, all wants are taken care of and that's regardless whether they even work for it or not they still feel entitled to it. Imagine their shock when shtf reality sets in on them, I can't imagine they will respond well.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I think if it is a full out SHTF a lot of people are going to die.

As a society so many Americans have never actually been challenged or experienced any real adversity in their lives. Everything is readily available, all wants are taken care of and that's regardless whether they even work for it or not they still feel entitled to it. Imagine their shock when shtf reality sets in on them, I can't imagine they will respond well.

It will be a sharp learning curve for sure.

 

[Robin]

OP is projecting. If I lived that close to the rotten apple I'd probably feel the same way.
Robin

 

[fresch]

People are people are people, look at past and the newest history; your own family needs to be watched.
People do stupid stuff without looking to the future, so family will let you down thinking they are doing right for all in that moment only to expose all.

 

[spat]

One thing most preppers seem to miss is the end game.

They are so concerned with surviving the collapse they fail to consider what comes *after* the collapse.

Even in a TEOTWAKI situation, it's only the end of the work *as we know it*. There will be a new world that will arise from the ashes.

You need to be prepared to make your way this new world. A world that *will* develop a new government, almost certainly with very different rules and expectations from what we have now.

Even the most well prepared, well organized group will eventually have to assimilate.

What do you do if the new government is socialist and decides that all those supplies you carefully squared away need to be redistributed ? That seems to me to be a very probable situation to find yourself in.

What if the new government institutes strict gun control ?

Sure your group of a few dozen former SEALs and billionaires is well prepared to hold off formidable raiders and such, but a real regional government cannot allow you to maintain autonomy within their domain.

How many of their low quality troops would it take to overrun your base ? Cause that's exactly how many they'll use.

 

[BDinPutnam]

"Cook an MRE"?

And ruin the goodness?

 

[S&W Fan]

I’m preparing to be long gone by then. What I am concerned about is if I have sufficiently taught my immediate family members, ( children & grand children) all that they need to know to weather the coming storm.

 

[BDinPutnam]

It's called "bait", OP.

Duh.

 

[Jmac00]

so to resurrect an old thread,

Is anyone else going to be doing a 'little extra' prepping for the next 9 months, just in case the worse happens on Nov 3rd?

ie? Voter fraud IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, the Left is now livid that they did not get there way and Pres. Trump is still in the oval office. So what happens if Pete Buttplug or Bernie Knowsnothing wins the election, even if it's only for a week or so before any illegal activity is corrected. I feel like the stock market is going to take a huge nose dive, the economy may soon follow. and potentially 50 million Americans will be out of work in very short order.

This, I feel, is a real possibility. Or is this Much to do about nothing

 

[Gonzobird]

Well those of us who have jobs working for Healthcare companies will surely be screwed if Sanders wins.

 

[Jmac00]

Well those of us who have jobs working for Healthcare companies will surely be screwed if Sanders wins.

and anyone in the energy sector, oil, gas, pipe lines, refining, utilities ~~~ on and on. This idiot will put 50 million people out of work within 24 hours

 

[Robin]

They have fixed elections in the past and now with the ascendence of the communists openly taking over that party, we have seen they are willing to lie, fabricate, and obfuscate truth in their quest for power, and with the help of big media, not even hide their scheme's. So to me, it's a given, they will perpetrate the biggest voter fraud in the history of civilized man since they threw colored beans into a cow hide bag.
What can be done, what will be done? Who knows. I try to beep enough stuff to last my wife and I a couple months, and I plan on expanding that, for a couple different reasons.
Robin

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I hadn't considered this situation. I'm hoping to be moving out of NY by summer, so in order to make my move as inexpensive and stress free as possible, I will be selling, giving away or otherwise discarding a lot of things that are going to be extra weight that I can hopefully reacquire once settled. Ammo, food, other misc. stuff.
I'm caught at kind of an awkward moment. I have accumulated a bunch of stuff living here, but cannot feasiby move all of it let alone store it in whatever my new living circumstances turn out to be initially (of which we HAVE to be flexible).
Our first priority is to just get out and moved. We figure to land somewhere temporary to get settled Etc. and then move to a better apartment or what have you.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I hadn't considered this situation. I'm hoping to be moving out of NY by summer, so in order to make my move as inexpensive and stress free as possible, I will be selling, giving away or otherwise discarding a lot of things that are going to be extra weight that I can hopefully reacquire once settled. Ammo, food, other misc. stuff.
I'm caught at kind of an awkward moment. I have accumulated a bunch of stuff living here, but cannot feasiby move all of it let alone store it in whatever my new living circumstances turn out to be initially (of which we HAVE to be flexible).
Our first priority is to just get out and moved. We figure to land somewhere temporary to get settled Etc. and then move to a better apartment or what have you.

If space is a concern and you don't want to give up what you've accumulated, rent a storage locker until you are more established

 

[GOPerfect]

so to resurrect an old thread,

Is anyone else going to be doing a 'little extra' prepping for the next 9 months, just in case the worse happens on Nov 3rd?

ie? Voter fraud IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, the Left is now livid that they did not get there way and Pres. Trump is still in the oval office. So what happens if Pete Buttplug or Bernie Knowsnothing wins the election, even if it's only for a week or so before any illegal activity is corrected. I feel like the stock market is going to take a huge nose dive, the economy may soon follow. and potentially 50 million Americans will be out of work in very short order.

This, I feel, is a real possibility. Or is this Much to do about nothing

To answer your question....

Is anyone else going to be doing a 'little extra' prepping for the next 9 months, just in case the worse happens on Nov 3rd?

Yes. While I have never stopped protecting and prepping fro the future, I have stepped up my responsibilities to myself and my family.

 

[96coal449]

I guess
I'm prepping for my death.
So be it.

 

[Blimey]

You'll never find a place in America that's remote enough to hide out.

This is wrong on its very face. There are plenty of parts of America that are remote as hell. Alaska has tons of them but in almost every state there are thousands of back roads off in the middle of nowhere leading to a spot that if you placed a cabin you could go years before anybody thought to visit. A half brain or better would let you also set up early detection system for the perimeter. A cabin in a clearing with steel plate on inside corners by windows and a warning system would make the building realistically unbreachable by looters if it had a few people in it.

so to resurrect an old thread,

Is anyone else going to be doing a 'little extra' prepping for the next 9 months, just in case the worse happens on Nov 3rd?

ie? Voter fraud IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, the Left is now livid that they did not get there way and Pres. Trump is still in the oval office. So what happens if Pete Buttplug or Bernie Knowsnothing wins the election, even if it's only for a week or so before any illegal activity is corrected. I feel like the stock market is going to take a huge nose dive, the economy may soon follow. and potentially 50 million Americans will be out of work in very short order.

This, I feel, is a real possibility. Or is this Much to do about nothing

I won't. Unless there was widespread, indisputable fraud leading to the wrong president elect (i.e. a democrat, because if a republican won in this manner the left would just complain and not be able to physically do anything about it), things will go on as normal.

Outside of carrington events the very best prep any of us can do is an economic one. So if you think the economy will go tits up prepare financially in some way.

Well those of us who have jobs working for Healthcare companies will surely be screwed if Sanders wins.

God bless you. My wife doesn't like Trump at all but she likes her job more. If sanders gets the nomination I will be sure to use this as a reason she needs to vote for maga.

 

[C3D]

The polar opposites:


Loose lips sink ships <=====> Snitches get stitches

 

[maverick52]

Living only 10 miles from NYC, a dooms day scenario for me is a nightmare. Surviving down here will be nigh impossible. My main plan is to escape the city. I have a bugout bag, food supply and will be armed. My plan is get the kids and wife in the car and drive as far north and west as possible. If parkways are jammed I’m fucked. I’ve considered getting boat to cross Hudson River but that will leave me more fucked. I guess most guys on here talking about prepping live up north and have land. Down here would be a disaster. I remember NYC on 9-11. It was scary and never left my mind of what can happen when the shtf.

 

[Blimey]

Living only 10 miles from NYC, a dooms day scenario for me is a nightmare. Surviving down here will be nigh impossible. My main plan is to escape the city. I have a bugout bag, food supply and will be armed. My plan is get the kids and wife in the car and drive as far north and west as possible. If parkways are jammed I’m fucked. I’ve considered getting boat to cross Hudson River but that will leave me more fucked. I guess most guys on here talking about prepping live up north and have land. Down here would be a disaster. I remember NYC on 9-11. It was scary and never left my mind of what can happen when the shtf.

I agree. I think in a movie type scenario your chances would not be great.

I don't personally believe we'll see a movie type scenario. It's something to keep in the back of your mind, but if I die of old age my best guess is we never see a doomsday prepper type event before I'm out. Odds of a multi-day or multi-week power outage, which causes some numbers of people to go crazy because they only keep 15 minutes of food in their pantry are higher. So if you prep you can delay the time spent before you're in a lineup with the rest of the plebs waiting for government rations.

 

[96coal449]

a lineup with the rest of the plebs waiting for government rations

Fuck that noise. I'd rather go hungry some.
I will not lick boots.
Plenty of squirrels, rabbits, wild turkeys, deer ......... fuck I'd even rather eat rat.

 

[Robin]

I agree. I think in a movie type scenario your chances would not be great.

I don't personally believe we'll see a movie type scenario. It's something to keep in the back of your mind, but if I die of old age my best guess is we never see a doomsday prepper type event before I'm out. Odds of a multi-day or multi-week power outage, which causes some numbers of people to go crazy because they only keep 15 minutes of food in their pantry are higher. So if you prep you can delay the time spent before you're in a lineup with the rest of the plebs waiting for government rations.

Well, you are optimistic anyway.
Robin