Temporary Restaining Order Issued For Concealed Carry Improvement Act (merged thread)

[Saltwater60]

The worst part is, no one is going to stop the tyranny. NO ONE! We had an EO from the current POTUS that isn't worth the paper it was printed on, courts don't give a shit and side with these illegal laws, just further etching that the corruption isn't just in NY, it goes higher up.
There will be no uprising or revolution. If that were going to happen, it would have already. If they are to come knocking, it's not going to be your local LOE's or even the state guys, it's going to be a military squad going house to house telling us to give them up or else. Imagine opening the door to 12 or so solders with full armament on the other side ordering you to comply. Or, not answering the door and them doing a breech. For those with the money, you can leave, but the reality is most of us may not have that luxury.

People also need to think about this, every store you buy from has a database on every item you have bought there. Even with cash, a gun store has a file on you. You have to show your driver's license to buy a firearm, and from there the file is created. Ever since things went electronic, you have been recorded. There's a chain of shops in the capital district owned by the same guy. If you buy something at store A, store D also knows what you bought. Cash or not. So the database was already there for any purchase you need to show ID for. BUT the ammo checks are a full blown registry, which is illegal, and no ones even batted an eye or lifted a finger to stop it. Oh, it was deemed that the social media account stuff was an invasion of privacy and removed, and a judge did rule that where one can't carry was unconstitutional, but no one has even touched on removing the laws creating a registry.

I know this isn't well liked, but I have no remorse anymore about not buying ammo from my local shops. They are reaping the rewards of our misery with hugely jacked up prices for classes and transfers. $100 for 5 minutes of work to make a transfer? $500 for a pistol class? $100-200 for an AR15 safety class that's not even mandated, but I know of at least 6 gun ranges that will not allow you to use an AR15 anymore unless you take their safety class. So one can spin it anyway they like, but gun stores and some shooting ranges are cleaning up on these laws. Hard to think someone is on my side if they are OK with bad laws and use those bad laws to take advantage of customers.

Agree with you here and many will defend a LGS. The transfer prices are nuts. Some shops by me want $75 for transfer. Well you can’t have it both ways. Either price your guns reasonably or have reasonable transfers.
As for buying ammo at a LGS i won’t do it regardless of price because the required background check. I’m against it and I simply won’t do it. I have enough stock on hand and I travel enough I’ll buy it out of state.

 

[REF]

And why do you think they want you to have that added to your permit? They are building a database of those that have or might have semi auto rifles to come knocking when they ban them. Get ready.

This is not news to anyone that has a pulse. I have not (since this background shit), and will not purchase ammo in this state ever again as long as this shit is going and the fact I’m only a stones throw away from Vermont/NH is a no brainer for me. But everyone that’s complaining about a registry and not buying any guns that has a pistol PERMIT doesn’t make any sense to me. You literally volunteered to be in a registry/database, myself included.

 

[FP1201]

At that point it won’t only be semi auto rifles. Anyone with a pistol permit, semi auto endorsement or purchased ammo in NYS in the last year will have a target on their back.

Is that the point we "say when" and it begins?
Are any coming to your aid?
Will you be shunned for not "waiting and seeing what the Courts decide?
The winners are Patriots and if you lose you're a Traitor...think long and hard; it never turns out the way you imagined it.

 

[Saltwater60]

This is not news to anyone that has a pulse. I have not (since this background shit), and will not purchase ammo in this state ever again as long as this shit is going and the fact I’m only a stones throw away from Vermont/NH is a no brainer for me. But everyone that’s complaining about a registry and not buying any guns that has a pistol PERMIT doesn’t make any sense to me. You literally volunteered to be in a registry/database, myself included.

Many people tell me I’m nuts. Many people I gun boards specific to NYS tell me I’m nuts about this. Glad to see most on here agree and know what’s coming. I refuse to get the semi auto endorsement.

 

[Acer-m14]

haven't bought ammo since the law nor a gun , in fact I haven't even took one out to shoot ..
no semi endorsement since i have all i need now ..

3 days before the law ..

 

[RooftopKorean]

Keep movin' peon, nothing to see here.... Thread should be locked and the key thrown away cause a majority of us believe undoubtedly we will wake up one day, with the gestapo purple tie squad telling us to "hand'em over" in our own homes.

My best advice, go lobby down in DC or go write Trump everyday about the shitty gun laws in NY. There's a fellow (and a few of his friends) on here that is also suing NYPD. We'll see where that goes... but probably money pissed on down the toilet.

And @misunderestimated take no offense to what I said above... it's not directly pointed at you, but rather the situation we are all in.

I didn't pay anything, the lawyer actually approached me asking if I'd like to be included in the case.

She just asked if she could use my CCW issuance delays as part of her exhibits.

 

[Acer-m14]

does she know you also have to pay for your right .. its not just about delays and hoops ..

 

[Old Jalopy]

Many people tell me I’m nuts. Many people I gun boards specific to NYS tell me I’m nuts about this. Glad to see most on here agree and know what’s coming. I refuse to get the semi auto endorsement.

Just about everyone I know who has had to renew their pistol permit just added the semi auto rifle endorsement. I guess the thought process is, "If I (not me, them) decide down the road...". I don't think I know anyone who has bought a semi auto rifle since all this, but it's possible. I know a few who bought lowers, though.



At this point, I'm not even sure a Republican governor would repeal any of it. It seems each day we see even the Republicans becoming anti-gun when it comes to politics. It sucks, but when one looks at the whole picture, we have Republicans backing a lot of these laws.

 

[Acer-m14]

the latest in the news is now you need a background check to get your fast reset trigger back from the ATF ... thanks DOJ .

 

[Saltwater60]

Just about everyone I know who has had to renew their pistol permit just added the semi auto rifle endorsement. I guess the thought process is, "If I (not me, them) decide down the road...". I don't think I know anyone who has bought a semi auto rifle since all this, but it's possible. I know a few who bought lowers, though.



At this point, I'm not even sure a Republican governor would repeal any of it. It seems each day we see even the Republicans becoming anti-gun when it comes to politics. It sucks, but when one looks at the whole picture, we have Republicans backing a lot of these laws.

Problem is the governor can only do so much. All a republican governor would do is slow things down for us. The other two legislative branches in NYS are so heavily democrat sided I believe they could overturn a veto from a governor anyway. I haven’t looked in the past year or two but that’s the way it was and I don’t think much of anything has changed on that front.

 

[pjzwtl]

Sad to say but to stop the states dive into despotism you would need the governor and a majority of non rinos controlling the senate, a big wish. To turn back the tide you would also need the assembly and that would take a political tectonic shift of unimaginable magnitude.

 

[Old Jalopy]

Problem is the governor can only do so much. All a republican governor would do is slow things down for us. The other two legislative branches in NYS are so heavily democrat sided I believe they could overturn a veto from a governor anyway. I haven’t looked in the past year or two but that’s the way it was and I don’t think much of anything has changed on that front.

We're seeing an uptick in RINOs and the so called pro 2A people who are only proGun if the gun doesn't look all scary and tactical. Been seeing it for a while now.

 

[Saltwater60]

We're seeing an uptick in RINOs and the so called pro 2A people who are only proGun if the gun doesn't look all scary and tactical. Been seeing it for a while now.

Because the left is arming up. I see lots of stuff out there about liberals and LGBTQ community gunning up because they are afraid of Trump.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Sad to say but to stop the states dive into despotism you would need the governor and a majority of non rinos controlling the senate, a big wish. To turn back the tide you would also need the assembly and that would take a political tectonic shift of unimaginable magnitude.

And that in a nutshell is why New Yorkistan is a lost cause. Circling like a floater in a giant toilet bowl with an endless water supply, its’ trajectory will NEVER be reversed. New Yorkistan is beyond the point of no return.

 

[Beerman]

I’m going to have a sit down, eyeball-to-eyeball meeting very soon with the Assemblyman for my district. He’s a R. What specifically would you like to ask the Assembly? I want to discuss myriad things, like why we need duplicitous laws regarding signage at FFLs, laws regarding homemade firearms needing serial #s, when homemade guns are currently already outlawed, etc. I want to ask him what he plans to do, or will do, to slow, stop, reverse 2A infringements from the CCIA, SAFE Act, etc, and new bills about proposed ammo/gun purchase timeframe limits, microstamping, mental health exams with each purchase, etc.

Give me a list, make it fair, honest, reasoned, level, sane. I will not be confronting this rep, merely engaging in meaningful discourse.

 

[S&W Fan]

I’m going to have a sit down, eyeball-to-eyeball meeting very soon with the Assemblyman for my district. He’s a R. What specifically would you like to ask the Assembly? I want to discuss myriad things, like why we need duplicitous laws regarding signage at FFLs, laws regarding homemade firearms needing serial #s, when homemade guns are currently already outlawed, etc. I want to ask him what he plans to do, or will do, to slow, stop, reverse 2A infringements from the CCIA, SAFE Act, etc, and new bills about proposed ammo/gun purchase timeframe limits, microstamping, mental health exams with each purchase, etc.

Give me a list, make it fair, honest, reasoned, level, sane. I will not be confronting this rep, merely engaging in meaningful discourse.

Even if he seriously wanted to do something his hands are basically tied , up against the socialist demonrat super majority in this state.

 

[Beerman]

Even if he seriously want to do something his hands are basically tied up against the socialist demonrat super majority in this state.

Yes, but if they can waste each others’ time in committees with inane bills which address non-existent issues, why not convince him to act (in)appropriately? Seriously, though, this is NOT the time to give up. It will never be time to give up. Speak up, speak out, make your voice heard.

 

[S&W Fan]

Yes, but if they can waste each others’ time in committees with inane bills which address non-existent issues, why not convince him to act (in)appropriately? Seriously, though, this is NOT the time to give up. It will never be time to give up. Speak up, speak out, make your voice heard.

Oh, I never said anything about giving up. I’ve been at this for a Very long time in this state and I have No intentions of throwing in the towel now.
Good luck with your face to face. The last face to face that I had was with pro 2A Brandon Williams. Unfortunately the liberals won out again last year here in onondaga cnty. and voted in that POS john mannion .

 

[dsdmmat]

Just about everyone I know who has had to renew their pistol permit just added the semi auto rifle endorsement. I guess the thought process is, "If I (not me, them) decide down the road...". I don't think I know anyone who has bought a semi auto rifle since all this, but it's possible. I know a few who bought lowers, though.



At this point, I'm not even sure a Republican governor would repeal any of it. It seems each day we see even the Republicans becoming anti-gun when it comes to politics. It sucks, but when one looks at the whole picture, we have Republicans backing a lot of these laws.

No such thing as a Republican politician in NY, they are correctly identified as democrat lite.

 

[FP1201]

I’m going to have a sit down, eyeball-to-eyeball meeting very soon with the Assemblyman for my district. He’s a R. What specifically would you like to ask the Assembly? I want to discuss myriad things, like why we need duplicitous laws regarding signage at FFLs, laws regarding homemade firearms needing serial #s, when homemade guns are currently already outlawed, etc. I want to ask him what he plans to do, or will do, to slow, stop, reverse 2A infringements from the CCIA, SAFE Act, etc, and new bills about proposed ammo/gun purchase timeframe limits, microstamping, mental health exams with each purchase, etc.

Give me a list, make it fair, honest, reasoned, level, sane. I will not be confronting this rep, merely engaging in meaningful discourse.

I wish you success in your interview, but don't be surprised to learn that Republicans are excluded, ignored, and dismissed by the Democrats in charge at every turn...the Village Dog Catcher get more respect and clout than Republicans, especially those from Rural Counties (anything above "Up State") It's going to shock then piss you right the fuck off, but seems little to nothing can be done until and unless a majority in at least one house can be achieved.

 

[Grimscale]

I’m going to have a sit down, eyeball-to-eyeball meeting very soon with the Assemblyman for my district. He’s a R. What specifically would you like to ask the Assembly? I want to discuss myriad things, like why we need duplicitous laws regarding signage at FFLs, laws regarding homemade firearms needing serial #s, when homemade guns are currently already outlawed, etc. I want to ask him what he plans to do, or will do, to slow, stop, reverse 2A infringements from the CCIA, SAFE Act, etc, and new bills about proposed ammo/gun purchase timeframe limits, microstamping, mental health exams with each purchase, etc.

Give me a list, make it fair, honest, reasoned, level, sane. I will not be confronting this rep, merely engaging in meaningful discourse.

The biggest question I have is:
Since the governor and the majority of the NY Legislature support illegal aliens, which is a crime in and of itself, are there any plans to arrest them or even just refer them to DoJ for investigation and prosecution?

 

[Old Jalopy]

Because the left is arming up. I see lots of stuff out there about liberals and LGBTQ community gunning up because they are afraid of Trump.

I wanted to laugh, but you may be right, actually. Personally, my theory is the US just gets softer year after year. Being a Republican isn't what it was even 15 years ago. Too many who were Right leaning fell for the feel good moments over reality that Obama started. Banning guns makes those people feel good, right along with the lefty morons. But by the same token, there are actually Dems who are very progun, but they don't really speak up because progun isn't the popular thing on social media. Also, criminals are all for disarming the rest of use to make us easy prey. Since most politicians are career criminals......... We get what we have.

 

[livingston]

Going Head-to-Head w/ Hochul in the 2nd Circuit This Friday! 3/14/23​

 

[Old Jalopy]

Going Head-to-Head w/ Hochul in the 2nd Circuit This Friday! 3/14/23​

I thought that group were found to be frauds. It was posted by another member that Liberty Bell outed them.

 

[Saltwater60]

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I wanted to laugh, but you may be right, actually. Personally, my theory is the US just gets softer year after year. Being a Republican isn't what it was even 15 years ago. Too many who were Right leaning fell for the feel good moments over reality that Obama started. Banning guns makes those people feel good, right along with the lefty morons. But by the same token, there are actually Dems who are very progun, but they don't really speak up because progun isn't the popular thing on social media. Also, criminals are all for disarming the rest of use to make us easy prey. Since most politicians are career criminals......... We get what we have.

Ive seen a lot about lefties getting guns. I have no first hand knowledge of it but that’s what I’m hearing and reading. In a way I hope it’s correct because hopefully it keeps their hands off all of our guns.

 

[tgenec86]

Talk about the Left eating itself. What are these radical Left Wingers going to do once they find out how prohibitively difficult it is to get a handgun to protect themselves? They're going to go batshit rabid on the politicians that are leaving them wide open to those horrible and dangerous Trumpers. (even though they've never actually documented Right Wing Trumpers burning cities, vandalizing their own neighborhoods, and destroying police cars)

 

[Tisto]

I thought that group were found to be frauds. It was posted by another member that Liberty Bell outed them.

I still doubt the claim of this group being the genesis of said lawsuit. I still have not found a docket number or history for this case. It is well established that the Dorr brothers operate sham gun rights groups all over the country. Look at the NYSFA website. You will find it to be identicle to the websites of the Dorr brothers' other group's websites, with only local news being different. Same pictures, same descriptions. I still would not send them a penny. Watch the video from Liberty Doll again, and make a list of the different groups, then go to each website and compare them. Same everything throughout.

In the video posted by Livingston, Aaron Dorr never mentioned the docket number....but he sure did ask for donations.

 

[FP1201]

I thought that group were found to be frauds. It was posted by another member that Liberty Bell outed them.

I've been telling folks this for over five years, and STILL dumb-fucks keep sending money to these fraudsters!
Bombastic rhetoric, hollow promises, false claims of credit for the actions of others, seems to suck those too ignorant to do a few simple searches to verify.
"I fucking told you so!"

 

[FP1201]

I still doubt the claim of this group being the genesis of said lawsuit. I still have not found a docket number or history for this case. It is well established that the Dorr brothers operate sham gun rights groups all over the country. Look at the NYSFA website. You will find it to be identicle to the websites of the Dorr brothers' other group's websites, with only local news being different. Same pictures, same descriptions. I still would not send them a penny. Watch the video from Liberty Doll again, and make a list of the different groups, then go to each website and compare them. Same everything throughout.

In the video posted by Livingston, Aaron Dorr never mentioned the docket number....but he sure did ask for donations.

They have NOT done a fucking thing besides separate stupid gun owners from their money....NOTHING!

 

[Tisto]

They have NOT done a fucking thing besides separate stupid gun owners from their money....NOTHING!

Not in this State or any other as far as I can tell.