The end of ownership in NY (S7065 and S1412 Bills)

[Celt]

To @GOPerfect s point, the more radical and crazy the laws are that they pass, the better chance of Scotus over turning them. We just need rbg to eat dirt, it would help if breyer did too.

Ill still buy guns if i want, but i will not submit to this nonsense. Its good to have friends and family out of state.

Im getting real close to moving out of state. With the taxes i pay i must be keeping 2 or 3 ghetto families fed, housed, and covering their cell phone bills each year. If ny keeps pushing out the tax payers they will be fucked when only the leeches are left.

 

[ExMember_4526]

So, I don’t mean to be that “guy”, but...

What practical measures are we going to take in order to counter this?

I get the: “now is the time for the glorious revolution... I mean it this time...seriously...”

In my opinion the NFA and all regulations of “bearable” arms are every bit as offensive as this. The fact that one needs a “pistol license” is as much of an infringement as these proposals.

Everyone keeps putting these lines in the sand and saying; “this”! The Statists/“Grabbers” just laugh, look us in the eyes & kick the sand with the line right in our faces! We end up just standing there, with blank faces, looking like a bunch of little...

Why don’t we learn from the Statists/“Grabbers” & go on the offensive?

We’re not even good at being defensive!

It’s not my intention to “pick” on the members of this forum. This applies to people who own small arms for defense of life, property & way of life, all throughout the country.

What are we doing about this & all the infringements that have taken place up until this point? (Aside for waging revolutions against tyranny on the internet)

 

[maverick52]

If only I can get a job in Texas and move the family out of this communist shit hole.

 

[maverick52]

To @GOPerfect s point, the more radical and crazy the laws are that they pass, the better chance of Scotus over turning them. We just need rbg to eat dirt, it would help if breyer did too.

Ill still buy guns if i want, but i will not submit to this nonsense. Its good to have friends and family out of state.

Im getting real close to moving out of state. With the taxes i pay i must be keeping 2 or 3 ghetto families fed, housed, and covering their cell phone bills each year. If ny keeps pushing out the tax payers they will be fucked when only the leeches are left.

They’re already fucked with a 6 billion dollar deficit. They’ll just keep fucking the state up more and more. Look at California and Illinois.

 

[libertysnake]

To @GOPerfect s point, the more radical and crazy the laws are that they pass, the better chance of Scotus over turning them. We just need rbg to eat dirt, it would help if breyer did too.

Ill still buy guns if i want, but i will not submit to this nonsense. Its good to have friends and family out of state.

Im getting real close to moving out of state. With the taxes i pay i must be keeping 2 or 3 ghetto families fed, housed, and covering their cell phone bills each year. If ny keeps pushing out the tax payers they will be fucked when only the leeches are left.

Leeches will become looters once the dole stops paying.

 

[Rap]

Exactly.

So, I don’t mean to be that “guy”, but...
What practical measures are we going to take in order to counter this?
I get the: “now is the time for the glorious revolution... I mean it this time...seriously...”
In my opinion the NFA and all regulations of “bearable” arms are every bit as offensive as this. The fact that one needs a “pistol license” is as much of an infringement as these proposals.
Everyone keeps putting these lines in the sand and saying; “this”! The Statists/“Grabbers” just laugh, look us in the eyes & kick the sand with the line right in our faces! We end up just standing there, with blank faces, looking like a bunch of little...
Why don’t we learn from the Statists/“Grabbers” & go on the offensive?
We’re not even good at being defensive!
It’s not my intention to “pick” on the members of this forum. This applies to people who own small arms for defense of life, property & way of life, all throughout the country.
What are we doing about this & all the infringements that have taken place up until this point? (Aside for waging revolutions against tyranny on the internet)

 

[ExMember_4526]

If only I can get a job in Texas and move the family out of this communist shit hole.

I have connections to Texas and am actively considering moving there in the very near future.

It should be noted that it’s certainly NOT the “Free State” one might assume.

This whole notion of a “Red State” is a myth! Voting patterns are complex and certainly not “set in stone”.

You can run but you can’t hide!

If we don’t become more proactive and go on the offensive, there isn’t much stopping these infringements from getting a lot worse (throughout the entire country).

Many Republicans have & are pushing for more infringements. Just do a brief study on the history of small arms regulations in this country over the last 100 years!

Unfortunately, regulations of small arms are becoming more of a non partisan issue (politically expedient for both parties).

Again, what are we doing about it? Why not learn from the Statists/“Grabbers” & go on the offensive?

 

[maverick52]

NY’s Mental Health Eval. Bill For Would-Be Gun Owners Raises Its Own “Red Flags"

To fully appreciate the full extent of New York’s latest horror that anti-Second Amendment zealots, proponents, and fanatics would love to see enacted, we delineate some of the specific problems with it.

www.ammoland.com

 

[Deplorable Me]

In NY in order to practice mental health you are required to be licensed by the State Education Department. One of the requirements of the licensed individual is to display at their location of practice a current copy of this license. Multiple copies are available if an individual practices at multiple locations. Licenses do expire. Licensed mental health professionals are specific, your general practice doctor is probably not licensed to practice mental health. You are only allowed to practice in your specific area of training, education, licensing.

Online Registration Renewal | Office of the Professions

www.op.nysed.gov

 

[ManrisFrack]

I’m tired of BS comments like this. You really have no idea what you’re talking about. While I concede there are way too many in law enforcement who would do whatever these scumbag politicians dictate, there is a very large percentage who are more ardent supporters of the 2nd Amendment then most here on this site. Stop with the divisive nonsense and realize It is time for those of us who are patriots to join together, not tear ourselves apart, and do something to stop the destruction of our country

I know exactly how it is to be part of a government organization that enjoys privileged status. I know it's easy to think that civilians ARE somehow a rung lower and that they don't need access to weapon, or ability, or item such-and-such. I know that it's much easier to follow orders without questioning the morality of the situation, especially at a macro level; much easier to be a cog in the machine.

If the state continues to overreach and violate the liberties of your fellow citizens, this should continue to become more and more difficult to square with the consciences of good officers.

If you're one of the ones that has posed this question to themselves and struggled with the answer, first, God bless you. Second, my comment wasn't directed at you.

In fact cops and state employees in general, that would make the choice resist or break ties with the state are the most courageous and important of us.

 

[repete]

23 months, just 23 months left, and the Emperor can have his kingdom. he can have his Kingdom without me and my family in it.

it maybe time to clean and oil the tools of freedom

keep rubbing it you lucky bastard! remember we have guns too!

 

[repete]

So, I don’t mean to be that “guy”, but...

What practical measures are we going to take in order to counter this?

I get the: “now is the time for the glorious revolution... I mean it this time...seriously...”

In my opinion the NFA and all regulations of “bearable” arms are every bit as offensive as this. The fact that one needs a “pistol license” is as much of an infringement as these proposals.

Everyone keeps putting these lines in the sand and saying; “this”! The Statists/“Grabbers” just laugh, look us in the eyes & kick the sand with the line right in our faces! We end up just standing there, with blank faces, looking like a bunch of little...

Why don’t we learn from the Statists/“Grabbers” & go on the offensive?

We’re not even good at being defensive!

It’s not my intention to “pick” on the members of this forum. This applies to people who own small arms for defense of life, property & way of life, all throughout the country.

What are we doing about this & all the infringements that have taken place up until this point? (Aside for waging revolutions against tyranny on the internet)

So what do you suggest? We've tried writing letters and sending Emails and phone calls and protests in Albany. Short of shooting some of the bastards what do we do? Honestly I'm out of idea's and bet that most others are too. I want to see them out of office as bad as anyone else but that's hard to do when your out voted by NYC and the rest of the libtards. So again what do we do?

 

[@thewheels]

Looks like a bulk pack purchase of lowers is in my near future.

Fuck that. Find a van retailer.

 

[ExMember_4526]

So what do you suggest? We've tried writing letters and sending Emails and phone calls and protests in Albany. Short of shooting some of the bastards what do we do? Honestly I'm out of idea's and bet that most others are too. I want to see them out of office as bad as anyone else but that's hard to do when your out voted by NYC and the rest of the libtards. So again what do we do?

Excellent question!

Let’s first ask ourselves what makes the Statist/“Grabbers” so effective and some other questions:

- How do they do PR?
- How do they mobilize people?
- How do they reach out to the indifferent masses?
- How do they approach politicians?
- How do they approach various market players?
- How do they display force?
- How proactive are they?
- What makes them so good at what they do?
- What can we learn from them?
- How can we use their own approach against them?
- What are we doing wrong?
- What can we do better?
- How do we get the people on the “fence” on our side?
- How do we get the “antis” on our side?
- How do we make “gun rights” a non partisan, politically expedient, non issue?

When we attempt to answer these questions, we can then start to make some moves!

 

[redtail]

You dont get it. THEY dont give a flying fuck what you do.

WE have no power here , zilch zip
Nada...

There is no hope here. Best remedy is to get the hell out , forced out of your homeland by tyrannical despots.
FUAC

ETA, the answer to your larger question is the indoctrination centers we call schools. The progs have done a great job of subverting all American values in the last 50 yrs.

 

[Phauxtoe]

So, you have to become proficient enough with the gun *before* you can buy it (or even touch it in the case of pistols ?)

Can you even legally do the proficiency test without the permit for a handgun ?

CATCH 22

 

[maverick52]

You dont get it. THEY dont give a flying fuck what you do.

WE have no power here , zilch zip
Nada...

There is no hope here. Best remedy is to get the hell out , forced out of your homeland by tyrannical despots.
FUAC

ETA, the answer to your larger question is the indoctrination centers we call schools. The progs have done a great job of subverting all American values in the last 50 yrs.

Agreed. There is no remedy in NY. It will get worse and there is not much we can do. Guys like myself have another 10 years till retirement. Until then I’m stuck.

 

[Jmac00]

keep rubbing it you lucky bastard! remember we have guns too!

LOL, for now......

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Excellent question!

Let’s first ask ourselves what makes the Statist/“Grabbers” so effective and some other questions:

- How do they do PR?
- How do they mobilize people?
- How do they reach out to the indifferent masses?
- How do they approach politicians?
- How do they approach various market players?
- How do they display force?
- How proactive are they?
- What makes them so good at what they do?
- What can we learn from them?
- How can we use their own approach against them?
- What are we doing wrong?
- What can we do better?
- How do we get the people on the “fence” on our side?
- How do we get the “antis” on our side?
- How do we make “gun rights” a non partisan, politically expedient, non issue?

When we attempt to answer these questions, we can then start to make some moves!

Sorry to have to write this, but you are high on drugs if you believe that the 2A situation in NY state can be changed by responses to your proposed questions. There are only two possibilities I can see that could reverse the 2A shithole that NY is: the first is if SCOTUS overturns a mountain of the bullshit laws and regulations in place and that are infringing the 2A daily, and the second would have to be the appearance of the lord almighty himself, - armed to the teeth, and directing all of his followers on earth to begin packing, and to crucify those who have screwed with our rights endlessly.

Short of that, here are some of the reasons why NY is otherwise beyond fixing:

1. A corrupt and mentally ill governor who cannot be removed from office due to the overwhelmingly liberal vote base in NYC.
2. A fully corrupt legislature in Albany, and other bureaucrats already spread across the state.
3.An utterly ignorant population that is largely fearful of firearms from decades of indoctrination.
4. A corrupt press.
5. A corrupt 2nd Circuit.
6. Bought and paid for, and otherwise self serving politicians of both political parties.
7. Bloomturd and his Billions, and all of his bought and paid for ignorant and uninformed followers.
8. A political system that is rigged against us on this issue in particular.
9 A system of producers vs takers, and the producers are losing.
10. Schools that have become full blown indoctrination centers of the left.

And if Chief Justice Roberts is finally forced to publicly show his true inclinations, I am certain that we will all find out exactly how truly fucked we are on this issue.

In other states (NC included), you can openly carry handguns. In some you can even carry on government property as you calmly and legally protest. Go ahead, try that in NY, - you will go the jail for menacing even if you are just open carrying a holstered firearm. In NY it is against the law just to touch a firearm without having a permit. Unlike other states, there is NO right to own a handgun in NY. The only EXCEPTION to that is is if you beg for and are granted a permit from NY state. The Sullivan Act directly contradicts the Second Amendment. And yet, it is still the law of the land in NY state 109 years later! It is the basis of NY's entire unconstitutional "may issue" handgun carry laws.

I watched as NY circled the bowl for over the last 60 plus years that I lived there. The bowl has gurgled at the end of the spin. NY is done.

 

[ExMember_4526]

Sorry to have to write this, but you are high on drugs if you believe that the 2A situation in NY state can be changed by responses to your proposed questions. There are only two possibilities I can see that could reverse the 2A shithole that NY is: the first is if SCOTUS overturns a mountain of the bullshit laws and regulations in place and that are infringing the 2A daily, and the second would have to be the appearance of the lord almighty himself, - armed to the teeth, and directing all of his followers on earth to begin packing, and to crucify those who have screwed with our rights endlessly.

Short of that, here are some of the reasons why NY is otherwise beyond fixing:

1. A corrupt and mentally ill governor who cannot be removed from office due to the overwhelmingly liberal vote base in NYC.
2. A fully corrupt legislature in Albany, and other bureaucrats already spread across the state.
3.An utterly ignorant population that is largely fearful of firearms from decades of indoctrination.
4. A corrupt press.
5. A corrupt 2nd Circuit.
6. Bought and paid for, and otherwise self serving politicians of both political parties.
7. Bloomturd and his Billions, and all of his bought and paid for ignorant and uninformed followers.
8. A political system that is rigged against us on this issue in particular.
9 A system of producers vs takers, and the producers are losing.
10. Schools that have become full blown indoctrination centers of the left.

And if Chief Justice Roberts is finally forced to publicly show his true inclinations, I am certain that we will all find out exactly how truly fucked we are on this issue.

In other states (NC included), you can openly carry handguns. In some you can even carry on government property as you calmly and legally protest. Go ahead, try that in NY, - you will go the jail for menacing even if you are just open carrying a holstered firearm. In NY it is against the law just to touch a firearm without having a permit. Unlike other states, there is NO right to own a handgun in NY. The only EXCEPTION to that is is if you beg for and are granted a permit from NY state. The Sullivan Act directly contradicts the Second Amendment. And yet, it is still the law of the land in NY state 109 years later! It is the basis of NY's entire unconstitutional "may issue" handgun carry laws.

I watched as NY circled the bowl for over the last 60 plus years that I lived there. The bowl has gurgled at the end of the spin. NY is done.

Obviously all of the points you raised are valid.

For the record I used to live in a “free state” (although I object to that term because all regulations are unconstitutional).

I am also in the process of actively looking to move. However, you can’t run from this issue. Every state (including Arizona) is dealing with Statist/“Grabbers” trying to impose unconstitutional regulations.

Any state has the potential to turn into VA! Also, who knows what can happen on the federal level in the near future!

My main point is that states like NY are the “front lines“ where these blatantly unconstitutional regulations need to be challenged!

Yes, it generally is a good idea to leave NY ASAP! However, that doesn’t negate the fact that if people don’t actively try and challenge these unconstitutional regulations, it’s certainly only going to get a lot worse.

NC certainly isn’t safe from what happened in VA. Statists/“Grabbers” are also actively trying to push for regulations there.

“You can run but you can’t hide”

 

[carpediem]

“You can run but you can’t hide”

^^^This is the ultimate truth. All this "Get out of NY!" Ok. Then the next state turns blue and it will be "Get out of X" and on and on and on. At what point do people say enough running and do things to change the situation?
We bitch because the Mexicans do the same thing and pour into our country instead of trying to clean up the hell hole that is Mexico.
This whole run away mentality works temporarily, until it doesn't. Then what do you all do? Bow to your masters and submit to the ever encroaching tide that you ran away from while it grew steadily stronger. At least VA stopped some of the laws, but they will be back and they will win. Then what? Flee VA? To where?
I don't know exactly how to oppose the leftist idiots. Teach your kids about firearms and hunting like I did. Talk to people, network.
Like I said, I don't know exactly how to fight it, but running away is not an option. Eventually there is nowhere to run to and the opposition is far too strong to even consider resisting.
Just my take on it.

 

[Jmac00]

we will see in Nov 3rd? If ALL conservative, 2A loving voters get to the polls, and the illegal aliens stay home, then a state can be returned to a red state. But it will take a giant mobilization by Conservatives to beat the left.

when I retire, I plan on going mobile for 4 or 5 years in a RV, while traveling we will be looking for a place for long term residence

 

[maverick52]

The battle is lost in NY. There are still some states left in the union where one can live free. Texas and Florida are decent places if you want to live in the south. Idaho, North Dakota and Wyoming are nice states in the North west.

 

[96coal449]

Missouri has claimed itself a sanctuary state. Then we also have the 9 state compact in the south started by Mississippi, all looking to do the same.
This is the answer throughout the nation. It can even happen here, although will be difficult.

First all patriots must just simply not comply. Pistol permits will be an exception as will NFA acts. Simply put they've been established and excepted here for far to long to reverse at this time. It may be wise to watch and see if SCOTUS gets appointed conservative 2ndA supporting judges during Trump's 2nd term.

We need to reestablish our sanctuary counties and fire the sheriffs who will not support this come their reelections. The red counties in this state should be able to be persuaded easily. We as citizens should look to keep our state taxes home in our individual counties. This is how the state is controlling us. I do not like the job OUR state is doing. Why do we continue to pay for the destruction of our way of life? This is a hard task. The self employed and the employers who are conservative need to do this. We need to pull the teeth from the tyrant who is feeding off us the people.

 

[maverick52]

I don’t see how Democrats can ever be unseated in NY. Even if Cuomo murdered someone the majority of New Yorkers would vote for him. I live downstate and Republicans are a rare breed. Westchester county legislature just went completely dem with a Republican legislator who was elected in Nov switching parties 6 mos later.