BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Not a "ponzy" (sic) scheme.
Affiliation con/fraud? Sure. 100 times yes.
Ponzi? No.
The NRA is in SERIOUS TROUBLE
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Not a "ponzy" (sic) scheme.
Affiliation con/fraud? Sure. 100 times yes.
Ponzi? No.
If the NRA folds, goes belly up and disappears, it will be their own fault. They have made so many mistakes and made a lot of gun owners very unhappy.
100% their doing.
Me, I could not care any less about them. They have proved that they do not care about me.
100% their doing.
Me, I could not care any less about them. They have proved that they do not care about me.
gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
They have no political power in NY because they don't want to. It is entirely a choice they have made. In the 25+ years I've been a member never once have they tried to oust a Republican no matter what they did. At the same time they don't support any Democrats. Last year they even fucked over one of only two Democrat NRA members in Albany.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
Obviously there is a need for the organization, let them die and be reborn, wiser and more able to fight the fight for which they have been so richly endowed by millions of men and women whose expectations have been sorely let down.
Robin
Robin
gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
I'm not kidding. Not only has NRA not tried to remove any Republicans, they keep giving money to those who screw them over. They funneled $250,000 to the GOP after Pataki's 5-point plan and spent money on Tom Libious who boned us with SAFE when he was in a primary, under criminal investigation, and getting ready to drop dead from illness. Why should Republicans stand up for 2A when NRA has a decades long history of spending money on them after they fuck us over in public?
As for the Democrats, over the last 10 years they've given a total of $1000 to 3 candidates. They didn't help NRA members who ran as Democrats, didn't give them any money or endorsements, and just screwed fellow NRA member Bill Magee, who sponsored our shit in Albany. What motivation do Democrats have for supporting 2A when NRA fucks them over in public?
This is the main reason they have no clout in New York, not some ideological problem with liberals.
The main reason the NRA doesn't do anything in NY is because the NRA needs states like NY to fear monger all the other states to keep revenue up. The NRA itself is nothing but anti 2A turncoats who are profiting off the 2A while systematically helping to destroy it at the same time
ManrisFrack
6.5 Creedmoor
Who knew our state's Fudd roots ran so deep?
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
The Safe Act case was dropped because at the time their was no confidence they had enough judges to rule in favor it was the safe play.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
Maybe the NRA needs to fall, To many rely on them to do something rather then walking into Washington in armed protest. I'm all for A Million Armed March.
I really can't stand it when certain individuals take control of an organization only to enrich themselves at the expense of the average member. Disgusting behavior. Really disappointed the NRA fell to this level. Remove the rat bastards and replace them with people who will do the job for free or just expenses. We need true believers and not grifters.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Yet he has been extorting members for decades
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
"NRA does not "lobby" in NY in the sense people think they do. They never talk to Democrats and no nothing to explain their position on the issues."
They don't lobby...don't need to. They have enough paid , full time, people to organize peaceful marches..protests all over the State..at any time. Plenty of retired pissed off gun owners can fill the void of pissed off working gun owners.How many full time paid antagonists does it take to get a hundred non paid to protest and actually do law breaking things ? It COULD happen....but organization is needed.
They don't lobby...don't need to. They have enough paid , full time, people to organize peaceful marches..protests all over the State..at any time. Plenty of retired pissed off gun owners can fill the void of pissed off working gun owners.How many full time paid antagonists does it take to get a hundred non paid to protest and actually do law breaking things ? It COULD happen....but organization is needed.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
NRA BOD meeting went into executive session after 30 minutes. They required phones to be checked before entering. Supposedly Acckerman-McQueen is on the way out.
I'll believe it when I see it.
But I will give Rob Pincus credit he crushed it speaking and getting people to demand they keep the meeting going
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Well tens of millions of our dollars later, they should be out.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Camaro45th
.357 mag
Received an email from the NRA this morning:
5/22/19
Dear Fellow NRA Member:
Since the NRA was founded almost 150 years ago, our adversaries have repeatedly tried to take us down. Today is no different. A recent burst of media claims the NRA is vulnerable, financially unstable, and weakened in its fight to defend the Second Amendment. Obviously intent on not letting the facts get in the way of a good story, most reports offer a distorted and inaccurate view of the NRA. As officers and past presidents of the NRA, we write today to set the record straight.
As you may know, we recently convened in Indianapolis for one of the largest NRA conventions in our history. More than 80,000 of our members showed up to gather as one NRA family - to support our Association and celebrate our nation's constitutional freedoms. During our annual Members Meeting on April 27, some asked for greater insight into three issues: the NRA's financial affairs, our direction and strategy, and the supervisory role being played by our board of directors. We had an open forum and spirited discussion.
Of course, our discussions were portrayed as a sort of family feud. (Infighting at the NRA - Chaos and Controversy!). At the NRA, we take pride in the fact that our Association is inclusive and invites the active participation of every member. Every member has an opportunity to voice any concern they may have at the Members Meeting. In fact, our greatest privilege is hearing from our members. Like many of you, that's why we were at the Members Meeting in the first place and spent countless hours on the convention floor.
Fact: During a board of directors meeting on April 29, Wayne LaPierre was elected by acclamation to continue serving as our CEO and Executive Vice President. The board also unanimously elected Carolyn D. Meadows to serve as our new president.
Perhaps looking for a way to counter the narrative about a stronger, more unified NRA, questions have now conveniently surfaced about our financial situation and our standing in the regulatory arena. There also have been frequent attacks on Wayne's personal character.
Fact: According to the NRA's chief financial officer, we are on budget in 2019. The NRA is meeting all banking and supplier financial obligations and we continue to aggressively manage our cost structure to offset the orchestrated and calculated attacks against NRA's finances in 2018. Put another way, our financial house is in order - we aren't going away.
We have full confidence in the NRA's accounting practices and commitment to good governance.
Fact: The Association's financials are audited and its tax filings are verified by one of the most reputable firms in the world. Internally, the Association has a conflict of interest policy and, where appropriate, related-party transactions are reviewed and approved by the board's Audit Committee.
Simply put, we are well-positioned on the regulatory front and poised to handle all challenges that confront us.
Personal attacks against the NRA's leaders are nothing new. Recent ones have focused on wardrobe purchases and travel expenses incurred by Wayne. If members hear of an allegation, they can be assured that it has been or will be addressed by the appropriate committees within our board of directors.
Fact: We have committees in place to oversee issues relating to Accounting, Legal Affairs, and Ethics, among others - and every board member is invited to attend these meetings. Please remember that all of us are elected by you - our members. We are not elected by Wayne or anyone on the NRA executive team. We serve as your elected representatives.
Fact: Over the years, Wayne had been advised by the NRA's advertising professionals to invest in his professional wardrobe due to his numerous public and media appearances. We understand that this was the same agency that facilitated the clothing purchases. What wasn't as evident in this "disclosure" is that the clothing expenses referenced in media reports dated back to expenses from 15 years ago! To put it in perspective, over this time period, Wayne has participated in thousands of events and hundreds of TV appearances, and personally directed fundraising efforts that total in the hundreds of millions of dollars. In any event, this practice was discontinued some time ago.
Fact: The vast majority of the travel in question involved donor outreach, fundraising, and stakeholder engagement. As an example, The Wall Street Journal reported that a trip to Italy was "tied to a 2015 documentary feature on the Italian gun maker posted on NRATV." Beretta, as you may know, is a major supporter of the NRA and our Second Amendment.
We are not inclined to further discuss unfounded attacks on our organization, political infighting, or a "weakened" NRA.
However, we will say this: Our adversaries will not divide us and any further discussion about the so-called "demise of the NRA" is only meant to distract us from our mission. This is how it goes when you stand on the bedrock of constitutional freedom - and represent the last line of defense against a campaign to take down the Second Amendment.
While board members may argue, and perhaps even disagree as to tactics, the support Wayne and the current leadership enjoys reflects our assessment of his past and future value to the association as well as our realization that our opponents know they have to take him down if they want to weaken the NRA.
As one NRA member recently said, the true story of the NRA won't be found in today's press clippings. It will be written in the history books.
Wayne has been standing shoulder-to-shoulder with all of us for most of his professional life. He has our support. A campaign to oust him failed - as the facts emerged, true motivations became apparent, and we agreed as to who should lead our fight for freedom. We are now moving forward.
Fact: We will confront our opponents, defend our values, and proudly continue our tradition as the greatest civil rights organization in the world.
Just like you, we care about the Second Amendment and our NRA. Just as you do, we know that our fights today are less for us and more for our children and our grandchildren. Just like you, we are all courageous foot soldiers in our fight for freedom. Every single one of us in this fight matters. The Second Amendment is where it is today because of all of OUR efforts. That's why you matter to our cause and our Association.
We are the NRA. United we stand. And together, we'll win.
Signed,
Carolyn D. Meadows
President
Charles L. Cotton
First Vice President
Lt. Col. Willes K. Lee USA (Ret)
Second Vice President
Allan D. Cors
Past President
James W. Porter
Past President
David A. Keene
Past President
Ronald L. Schmeits
Past President
John C. Sigler
Past President
Sandra S. Froman
Past President
Kayne B. Robinson
Past President
Marion P. Hammer
Past President
Robert K. Corbin
Past President
5/22/19
Dear Fellow NRA Member:
Since the NRA was founded almost 150 years ago, our adversaries have repeatedly tried to take us down. Today is no different. A recent burst of media claims the NRA is vulnerable, financially unstable, and weakened in its fight to defend the Second Amendment. Obviously intent on not letting the facts get in the way of a good story, most reports offer a distorted and inaccurate view of the NRA. As officers and past presidents of the NRA, we write today to set the record straight.
As you may know, we recently convened in Indianapolis for one of the largest NRA conventions in our history. More than 80,000 of our members showed up to gather as one NRA family - to support our Association and celebrate our nation's constitutional freedoms. During our annual Members Meeting on April 27, some asked for greater insight into three issues: the NRA's financial affairs, our direction and strategy, and the supervisory role being played by our board of directors. We had an open forum and spirited discussion.
Of course, our discussions were portrayed as a sort of family feud. (Infighting at the NRA - Chaos and Controversy!). At the NRA, we take pride in the fact that our Association is inclusive and invites the active participation of every member. Every member has an opportunity to voice any concern they may have at the Members Meeting. In fact, our greatest privilege is hearing from our members. Like many of you, that's why we were at the Members Meeting in the first place and spent countless hours on the convention floor.
Fact: During a board of directors meeting on April 29, Wayne LaPierre was elected by acclamation to continue serving as our CEO and Executive Vice President. The board also unanimously elected Carolyn D. Meadows to serve as our new president.
Perhaps looking for a way to counter the narrative about a stronger, more unified NRA, questions have now conveniently surfaced about our financial situation and our standing in the regulatory arena. There also have been frequent attacks on Wayne's personal character.
Fact: According to the NRA's chief financial officer, we are on budget in 2019. The NRA is meeting all banking and supplier financial obligations and we continue to aggressively manage our cost structure to offset the orchestrated and calculated attacks against NRA's finances in 2018. Put another way, our financial house is in order - we aren't going away.
We have full confidence in the NRA's accounting practices and commitment to good governance.
Fact: The Association's financials are audited and its tax filings are verified by one of the most reputable firms in the world. Internally, the Association has a conflict of interest policy and, where appropriate, related-party transactions are reviewed and approved by the board's Audit Committee.
Simply put, we are well-positioned on the regulatory front and poised to handle all challenges that confront us.
Personal attacks against the NRA's leaders are nothing new. Recent ones have focused on wardrobe purchases and travel expenses incurred by Wayne. If members hear of an allegation, they can be assured that it has been or will be addressed by the appropriate committees within our board of directors.
Fact: We have committees in place to oversee issues relating to Accounting, Legal Affairs, and Ethics, among others - and every board member is invited to attend these meetings. Please remember that all of us are elected by you - our members. We are not elected by Wayne or anyone on the NRA executive team. We serve as your elected representatives.
Fact: Over the years, Wayne had been advised by the NRA's advertising professionals to invest in his professional wardrobe due to his numerous public and media appearances. We understand that this was the same agency that facilitated the clothing purchases. What wasn't as evident in this "disclosure" is that the clothing expenses referenced in media reports dated back to expenses from 15 years ago! To put it in perspective, over this time period, Wayne has participated in thousands of events and hundreds of TV appearances, and personally directed fundraising efforts that total in the hundreds of millions of dollars. In any event, this practice was discontinued some time ago.
Fact: The vast majority of the travel in question involved donor outreach, fundraising, and stakeholder engagement. As an example, The Wall Street Journal reported that a trip to Italy was "tied to a 2015 documentary feature on the Italian gun maker posted on NRATV." Beretta, as you may know, is a major supporter of the NRA and our Second Amendment.
We are not inclined to further discuss unfounded attacks on our organization, political infighting, or a "weakened" NRA.
However, we will say this: Our adversaries will not divide us and any further discussion about the so-called "demise of the NRA" is only meant to distract us from our mission. This is how it goes when you stand on the bedrock of constitutional freedom - and represent the last line of defense against a campaign to take down the Second Amendment.
While board members may argue, and perhaps even disagree as to tactics, the support Wayne and the current leadership enjoys reflects our assessment of his past and future value to the association as well as our realization that our opponents know they have to take him down if they want to weaken the NRA.
As one NRA member recently said, the true story of the NRA won't be found in today's press clippings. It will be written in the history books.
Wayne has been standing shoulder-to-shoulder with all of us for most of his professional life. He has our support. A campaign to oust him failed - as the facts emerged, true motivations became apparent, and we agreed as to who should lead our fight for freedom. We are now moving forward.
Fact: We will confront our opponents, defend our values, and proudly continue our tradition as the greatest civil rights organization in the world.
Just like you, we care about the Second Amendment and our NRA. Just as you do, we know that our fights today are less for us and more for our children and our grandchildren. Just like you, we are all courageous foot soldiers in our fight for freedom. Every single one of us in this fight matters. The Second Amendment is where it is today because of all of OUR efforts. That's why you matter to our cause and our Association.
We are the NRA. United we stand. And together, we'll win.
Signed,
Carolyn D. Meadows
President
Charles L. Cotton
First Vice President
Lt. Col. Willes K. Lee USA (Ret)
Second Vice President
Allan D. Cors
Past President
James W. Porter
Past President
David A. Keene
Past President
Ronald L. Schmeits
Past President
John C. Sigler
Past President
Sandra S. Froman
Past President
Kayne B. Robinson
Past President
Marion P. Hammer
Past President
Robert K. Corbin
Past President
Rob Pinkus in respons to that stupid fucking smoke and mirror letter that actual idiots will use to try and cloud the bull shit the NRA has created..
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Yup.
Pretty sure not one of the people who signed that letter wrote it, let alone read it before they signed. Has the stench of a PR firm all over it.
Pretty sure not one of the people who signed that letter wrote it, let alone read it before they signed. Has the stench of a PR firm all over it.
subsonic
.44 mag
The NRA is actually historically chartered in New York, although it is headquartered in Virginia. It doesn't really matter much that it's chartered in New York. They have a national presence, are a registered nonprofit in every state, and Cuomo is going after them using banking and insurance laws he can use to go after organizations anywhere. The fact that they chartered here has very little to do with anything.
My opinion: The NRA has serious problems, but this is divide and conquer. The media and anti-gun left wants to make this a self-fulfilling prophecy and cause turmoil, confusion, and division in the gun community.
Man just imagine being a non for profit and only using 3% of the money you bring in for the cause you pretend to be fighting for.
Then imagine being a person who still sticks up for such an organization..
I honestly cant think which one is worse
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Easy @Edwardteach72 , the other 97% goes to duffle bags and pocket knives for new subscribers.
No cause they get all that shit from China so about 12% of it goes to that, so we are at 15%
Then 25% goes to LaPierre's clothing
And the last 60% well that's easy
***edit*** incase anyone isnt sure that's Megan Allen, was an "intern" for the NRA that they spent a lot of money to give an apartment to, aka NRA using their money to get LaPierre and other old as BoD their trophy mistresses