Fixed mag option....maybe NY unSAFE compliant? discus..
The Patriot Pin for California - The Firearm Blog
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The Patriot Pin for California..work for NY?
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Phazer
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Ugh...another Mag Lock.
(running for popcorn)
(running for popcorn)
It sucks that stuff like this needs to exist in the first place, but it defeats, partly at least, anti agenda so rock on I say. Way better than a fixed mag to be sure. Now if this is NY legal does it allowed a featured rifle?
There is another one coming out of CA as well it, replaces the bolt catch to keep the magazine from being removed while the rifle is put together. The mag can only come out when the rifle is shotgunned no magazine can be inserted or removed while the rifle is together. That may pass muster because it cannot accept a magazine unless it is broke open.
S
stuck in ny
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Isn't that already invented? MR2?
Target
6.5 Creedmoor
It does show ingenuity.
Its not a Mag Lock but a quick action , thumb activated take down pin.
I cant justify $99 for one though. Perhaps after reloading a fixed mag rifle a while , I would probably see this as a God send.
As to the MR2 vs the FC whatever its called , with the MR2 installed, with no mag in the lower, it is said you can insert a mag .
The FC will not move therefore a mag cannot be inserted .
So not the same at all.
Its not a Mag Lock but a quick action , thumb activated take down pin.
I cant justify $99 for one though. Perhaps after reloading a fixed mag rifle a while , I would probably see this as a God send.
As to the MR2 vs the FC whatever its called , with the MR2 installed, with no mag in the lower, it is said you can insert a mag .
The FC will not move therefore a mag cannot be inserted .
So not the same at all.
freddy
.308 Win
So it is a no go for NY?
New California Gun Control Law Thwarted By Clever Inventors, $10 Part
This is what I am talking about.
Target
6.5 Creedmoor
I don't see where it is not legal in NY. I think of it as a fancy extended take down pin.
Nothing to do with securing the mag. Just allows you to open the action quicker to top load rounds.
Push the thumb lever to pull out the take down pin instead of having a key ring or paracord loop on it. Release it and it is spring loaded to reinsert.
Still really just a range convenience. I can't see cracking open your rifle in a defensive situation. Featureless is still more practical.
Uzi
.308 Win
The combined system they're using with the ar mag lock is not only another hilariously stupid product, but pointless for NY too. The ar-mag lock is not legal in NY because once that magazine is dropped out of a rifle, it CAN accept any detachable magazine. Get yourself some nice extended takedown pins for a fast enough split between the receivers when you choose to top load it in public or something. Nothing in NY state requires having to disassemble or split the receivers partially apart first before a magazine is changed. If the gun is detaching magazines outside of the featured stipulations, it's not legal. Save your normal mag release buttons and springs for when SHTF.
Phazer
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I don't quite understand what this part does. It "replaces the bolt catch." But...then what does it do? How does it interact with the magazine to keep it locked in AND prevent another magazine from being inserted once the upper is replaced onto the lower?
Phazer
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Here's a look at the "MOD1" part mentioned above with a video:
Shasta Co. men create part to make guns legal under new law
I'm sorry...but from what I can tell, it does not do anything more (though, perhaps a bit differently) than the MR2 or MagLock. It prevents a magazine from being removed unless the upper and lower are separated. But, I do not see how it prevents a reassembled gun from "accepting a magazine."
Shasta Co. men create part to make guns legal under new law
I'm sorry...but from what I can tell, it does not do anything more (though, perhaps a bit differently) than the MR2 or MagLock. It prevents a magazine from being removed unless the upper and lower are separated. But, I do not see how it prevents a reassembled gun from "accepting a magazine."
Target
6.5 Creedmoor
It appears to be a mag release that is sprung "open" to release the mag. With the action closed, the upper presses down on the mechanism and puts the mag release into the "hold it in" condition but still has enough movement to allow the insertion of a mag ( presumeably full of baby killing bullets) like the way 48 other states can do.
By opening the action ( pull the rear take down pin or whatever mechanism you use) , it released the magazine as if you pushed the button on the side of the receiver ( as 250 million other Americans can do). Close the action, insert new mag, kill 30 -50 more children.
Cali law differs from NY . They can have removable magazines if you must open the rifle to change them. They cannot have a rifle where you can push the button to drop the mag ( Bullet Buttons no longer legal?)
Our wording says fixed mag.
That is my understanding of the system.
It is not NY compliant as it can accept a magazine while the gun is ready to fire.
By opening the action ( pull the rear take down pin or whatever mechanism you use) , it released the magazine as if you pushed the button on the side of the receiver ( as 250 million other Americans can do). Close the action, insert new mag, kill 30 -50 more children.
Cali law differs from NY . They can have removable magazines if you must open the rifle to change them. They cannot have a rifle where you can push the button to drop the mag ( Bullet Buttons no longer legal?)
Our wording says fixed mag.
That is my understanding of the system.
It is not NY compliant as it can accept a magazine while the gun is ready to fire.
spat
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I usually see a statement like this on every one of these threads, but I have never seen a logical explanation as to why it is true.
The NY law simply says no such thing. The law says you cannot accept a detachable magazine. A magazine that cannot be detached without disassembling the rifle cannot possibly be construed to be detachable. The ability to accept a non-detachable magazine is simply not a forbidden feature.
S
stuck in ny
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We need to get Trump on our cause personally through his pro-gun son.
In California, they write their laws with specific wording/definitions/requirements. People then push those precise constraints to their limits, finding workarounds that are as functionally close as possible to the original. Then, the next go around, they tighten the specific requirements to eliminate the most effective workarounds.
In NY, they wrote the law (SAFE) with imprecise language, few definitions and no technical requirements. People are then guessing where the boundary is, going as close as they're willing to defend in court and creating "workarounds" that may or may not actually be legal, waiting for someone else to get arrested to find out. Some are self-selecting to stronger limits than necessary (I'll include my straight-stock SCR in that), while others are (perhaps unknowingly) one bad interaction with the wrong police officer away from a long, expensive and potential devastating court batter.
I almost envy California (of course, there are at least 45 other states that I envy more and a few that are on par with CA.)
As for this device, the quick rear takedown pin is a neat idea and could be combined with any version of a "fixed mag" to make it quicker. Even with a truly fixed mag (pinned, epoxied, etc), you can get to top loading it quicker and easier with this.
In NY, they wrote the law (SAFE) with imprecise language, few definitions and no technical requirements. People are then guessing where the boundary is, going as close as they're willing to defend in court and creating "workarounds" that may or may not actually be legal, waiting for someone else to get arrested to find out. Some are self-selecting to stronger limits than necessary (I'll include my straight-stock SCR in that), while others are (perhaps unknowingly) one bad interaction with the wrong police officer away from a long, expensive and potential devastating court batter.
I almost envy California (of course, there are at least 45 other states that I envy more and a few that are on par with CA.)
As for this device, the quick rear takedown pin is a neat idea and could be combined with any version of a "fixed mag" to make it quicker. Even with a truly fixed mag (pinned, epoxied, etc), you can get to top loading it quicker and easier with this.
spat
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We are all one interaction with a bad officer away from a bad time. SAFE is so vague that a pissed off officer can claim almost anything is a violaton. Is that magazine readily restored to more an 10 rounds, you've got extensions for thzt pump 870 readily available that says it is, SAFE magazine restrictions say noting about being limited to a semi auto, or a detachable mag. ?
S
stuck in ny
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Than how on earth would gun stores still be selling them in that config.?
Marine Cpl
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spat
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By exchanging them for money ?
How many "safe compliant" weapons are still widely sold that some people claim aren't compliant.
Marine Cpl
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They sell them based on what they believe is compliant. Some gun stores won't even sell an obviously legal firearm.
It's all about what they are comfortable with.
S
stuck in ny
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I'm saying then wouldn't the po po go after the stores like they did with the bullet button?
Marine Cpl
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The Po Po will do what the Po Po will do. There is no consistency with them.
You are trying to find a logical interpretation for a very illogical law. I mean that seriously, 4 years of debate and still nobody has a clue! It's because Cuomo has all the intelligence of the stray sunflower seed shell stuck in my shit this morning. Go report that to your idiot master you loathsome, detestable, boot lick, Sub human, drone lurkers!
spat
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He's no idiot, he's got half of us going much further than even SAFE requires. Most companies will not ship perfectly legal goods here because they dont know, but we cant get a ruling about it either.
It's like he passed a law that said "we'll arrest people if they do stuff we dont like" and now everyone is falling over themselves to guess what he wants rather than fighting it.
You will never convince me that any of that was by design. That would imply actuall competence,twisted as it may be, in Albany.
Marine Cpl
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The original draft had wording in it that ad fixed magazine is one that requires the use of a tool. The version that passed omitted that because they did not want the bullet button.