The Yankee Marshal

[Edwardteach72]

Side note (I didnt read any of this)

For those who don't or even do like Theyankeemarshal

He has an awesome (well couple) project to provide a firearm to those who may not be able to afford a gun for protection and what not.. ie he GIVES AWAY on average 7 guns a month and makes no money

 

[Marine Cpl]

I was also raised to trust the police by my parents. As I got older and started seeing things, I realized that just like Yankee said, "You have to have an healthy distrust for them." You'd be stupid not to.

The police of old aren't the police of today. In the days of. 38 Special revolvers the police were different. They didn't participate in speed traps for revenue. They didn't set up DWI checkpoints. They didn't shoot first and ask questions later. They didn't serve no knock warrants for petty crimes. They didn't try to emulate being soldiers. They didn't shoot children with realistic looking cap gun and waterguns.

It's a different era. As a whole (not certain individuals) the police aren't your friends. Their sole job is to ticket you or put you behind bars. That's an indisputable fact that can't be argued against. And with today's politicians, everything is illegal.

I don't get people that wear or put blue line stripes on their clothing or cars. I see it just as ridiculous as for example a cop wearing or putting an orange stripe or a red stripe or whatever color stripe on their car or clothing to symbolize their support of their Internal Affairs unit that's out to get them.

 

[GOPerfect]

I was also raised to trust the police by my parents. As I got older and started seeing things, I realized that just like Yankee said, "You have to have an healthy distrust for them." You'd be stupid not to.

The police of old aren't the police of today. In the days of. 38 Special revolvers the police were different. They didn't participate in speed traps for revenue. They didn't set up DWI checkpoints. They didn't shoot first and ask questions later. They didn't serve no knock warrants for petty crimes. They didn't try to emulate being soldiers. They didn't shoot children with realistic looking cap gun and waterguns.

It's a different era. As a whole (not certain individuals) the police aren't your friends. Their sole job is to ticket you or put you behind bars. That's an indisputable fact that can't be argued against. And with today's politicians, everything is illegal.

I don't get people that wear or put blue line stripes on their clothing or cars. I see it just as ridiculous as for example a cop wearing or putting an orange stripe or a red stripe or whatever color stripe on their car or clothing to symbolize their support of their Internal Affairs unit that's out to get them.

The everyday citizen has changed as well.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The everyday citizen has changed as well.

That is correct. I can't argue with that but it still has nothing to do with how the police are today in regards to being out to get you in a day and age when everything is illegal compared to the days of past.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Side note (I didnt read any of this)

For those who don't or even do like Theyankeemarshal

He has an awesome (well couple) project to provide a firearm to those who may not be able to afford a gun for protection and what not.. ie he GIVES AWAY on average 7 guns a month and makes no money

I like him. I agree with him on all political issues. He's pretty spot on for everything except revolvers.

 

[Truebeliever]

I was also raised to trust the police by my parents. As I got older and started seeing things, I realized that just like Yankee said, "You have to have an healthy distrust for them." You'd be stupid not to.

The police of old aren't the police of today. In the days of. 38 Special revolvers the police were different. They didn't participate in speed traps for revenue. They didn't set up DWI checkpoints. They didn't shoot first and ask questions later. They didn't serve no knock warrants for petty crimes. They didn't try to emulate being soldiers. They didn't shoot children with realistic looking cap gun and waterguns.

It's a different era. As a whole (not certain individuals) the police aren't your friends. Their sole job is to ticket you or put you behind bars. That's an indisputable fact that can't be argued against. And with today's politicians, everything is illegal.

I don't get people that wear or put blue line stripes on their clothing or cars. I see it just as ridiculous as for example a cop wearing or putting an orange stripe or a red stripe or whatever color stripe on their car or clothing to symbolize their support of their Internal Affairs unit that's out to get them.

You are looking at the past with rose colored glasses.
Everything you said isn’t true.

I remember the quota when I first got into LE 25 years ago. Yes there was a quota.

That has changed. That set number has changed to some type of activity as opposed to a set number of tickets, arrests, etc.

 

[Airborneguy]

Truebeliever, there’s no quota anymore whatsoever. I heard recently that not even Highway is allowed to have a quota anymore.

As a supervisor if I even dance around the subject and a cop reports me, I’m toast.

Every single training stresses finding alternative solutions for problems besides arrest or ticketing unless a felony has been comitted or the victim is present and demands an arrest. I work with cops who haven’t arrest anyone in months. Even mine who respond directly to reports made by victims average only 2 arrests a month.

But what do I know, I’m lying about indisputable facts.

 

[Tinman]

I still believe if you treat a Police Officer with respect, he will treat you with respect. I think that there is a lot of people out there trying their best to bait the police just so they can put it YouTube.

I also enjoy watching The Yankee Marshall. He makes me laugh. He also has some good information.

 

[stokes]

The police of old aren't the police of today. In the days of. 38 Special revolvers the police were different. They didn't participate in speed traps for revenue. They didn't set up DWI checkpoints. They didn't shoot first and ask questions later.

Gotta disagree with part of that.Back in the '60's my friends dad was a NYC cop.He had a "cop of the month" award in a frame on the wall along with a newspaper piece about the incident that got him the "award".He fired a warning shot at a fleeing skel.A warning shot,right thru the mopes face.My uncle was a detective in South Williamsburg in the 60's.He actually worked in the squad that Serpico was in when he got set up and shot.My uncle had,and talked with no remorse, about many shootings he was involved with,some fatal.Another friend I hunted with in the '80's retired in the mid 70's was on what was called the robbery stake out squad.They would be in high crime areas and hide out in supermarkets in areas where robberies were rampant.He said when they came out there was no warnings,they came out shooting.When he retired he supposedly had the record for the most kills in the NYPD.One of our friends had a newspaper clipping with a story about a trial for one of the survivors of one of his arrests.Leroy on the stand said " and then that mother fucker hollered April fools motherfucker and shot my cousin Rufus dead wif that shotgun".They certainly did shoot first and ask questions later much more back then.They didnt do DWI and speed traps because they werent considered major problems in society at that time.DWI became a big issue on Long Island in the 80's and thats where all the attention went,then spread nationwide when the feds whithheld highway funds from states that didnt actively chase DWI's.

 

[PinkPanther]

This guy is choosing to ignore the Bonus Army March, Kent State, the Arkansas National Guard “keeping the peace” by turning away black students and enforcing segregation, the 82nd AB in New Orleans (joint LE and military screw up). All of these acts were committed by the military... I would also like to see this survey of police and military he speaks of...

 

[Airborneguy]

I was there for New Orleans. The 82 was set up in the town I was tasked to patrol as if it was Iraq. They were tasked with “checking papers” as Will likes to say. They had a .50 cal set up on a bridge entering Westwego in a sandbagged fighting position.

 

[GOYABEAN]

I was there for New Orleans. The 82 was set up in the town I was tasked to patrol as if it was Iraq. They were tasked with “checking papers” as Will likes to say. They had a .50 cal set up on a bridge entering Westwego in a sandbagged fighting position.

America

 

[Marine Cpl]

Truebeliever, there’s no quota anymore whatsoever. I heard recently that not even Highway is allowed to have a quota anymore.

As a supervisor if I even dance around the subject and a cop reports me, I’m toast.

Every single training stresses finding alternative solutions for problems besides arrest or ticketing unless a felony has been comitted or the victim is present and demands an arrest. I work with cops who haven’t arrest anyone in months. Even mine who respond directly to reports made by victims average only 2 arrests a month.

But what do I know, I’m lying about indisputable facts.

You are looking at the past with rose colored glasses.
Everything you said isn’t true.

I remember the quota when I first got into LE 25 years ago. Yes there was a quota.

That has changed. That set number has changed to some type of activity as opposed to a set number of tickets, arrests, etc.

Does that apply to all police in the country or just the NYPD?

 

[Marine Cpl]

This guy is choosing to ignore the Bonus Army March, Kent State, the Arkansas National Guard “keeping the peace” by turning away black students and enforcing segregation, the 82nd AB in New Orleans (joint LE and military screw up). All of these acts were committed by the military... I would also like to see this survey of police and military he speaks of...

I've always argued that 18 to 20 year old kids would do what they are told in the military.

 

[GOPerfect]

I've always argued that 18 to 20 year old kids would do what they are told in the military.

My department has no quotas either. None of our different divisions. We live for some serious officer discretion

 

[Marine Cpl]

My department has no quotas either. None of our different divisions. We live for some serious officer discretion

All departments are different as everyone should know. My department where I live, the cops that consist of probably one to two guys in one given shift don't mess around with anyone. They get backup from other towns when needed.

The town next to me which has a slightly bigger Police department, sets off speed traps all the time. They'll actually look at your tires to come to a complete stop.

The New York State Police comes out in force only during certain parts of the month on the highway. Other parts of the month, you don't see them at all.

 

[Marine Cpl]

But in response to others, are you saying that the police as a whole are your friends and their job isn't to ticket you or arrest you if a law made by politicians is broken?

If yes that they are your friends, tell me why and how so? Because the way I see it, it's impossible for them to be your friends as the Yankee Marshal said.

 

[Airborneguy]

Does that apply to all police in the country or just the NYPD?

Who does your indisputable fact speak for? Maybe you should express yourself more clearly. You spoke for all police, I didn't. I don't know what other departments are doing. Only you do from what you're telling us.

 

[Airborneguy]

If yes that they are your friends, tell me why and how so? Because the way I see it, it's impossible for them to be your friends as the Yankee Marshal said.

That's a "change my mind" question and we all know by now that's not going to happen with you. You've actually hardened against the police more and more over the years I've known you. Not mad, just an observation. What could I possibly say that would change that? Besides, like I already said, I don't deign to speak for all police in the country. You're the only one doing that.

 

[Marine Cpl]

That's a "change my mind" question and we all know by now that's not going to happen with you. You've actually hardened against the police more and more over the years I've known you. Not mad, just an observation. What could I possibly say that would change that? Besides, like I already said, I don't deign to speak for all police in the country. You're the only one doing that.

No. It hasn't. It's remained with the same level of mistrust since the beginning.

As far as a change my mind question, it's really not that complicated like you are making it. You are right. My mind can't be changed. I just want to see it though someone else's eyes who thinks that the police as a whole are your friends. I'm curious why anyone would think so.

 

[Airborneguy]

I suppose someone else can answer that better than me. I’m as biased as you are on that front.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I suppose someone else can answer that better than me. I’m as biased as you are on that front.

So you are saying that the police as a whole are your friends but you can't answer why?

Ok. Answer me this. As a police officer, are civilian review boards against police officers and internal affairs friends of the police?

 

[Airborneguy]

I hate when people say “so you’re saying...”

No, I didn’t say that. I typed a specific set of words, chosen to express my thoughts the way I see them.

The review panels you mention exist to effect one specific function only: punishment against the police. They have no other function or charge. Any equivalency you’re going to attempt to make will be flawed from the start because the police do in fact have numerous roles beyond law enforcement. Regardless of whether you believe those “extra” roles are enough to make police “friendly”, they negate the equivalence you’re attempting to make with a single-role agency.

Haven’t we established long ago that analogy is rarely an effective form of debate logic?

 

[Marine Cpl]

I hate when people say “so you’re saying...”

No, I didn’t say that. I typed a specific set of words, chosen to express my thoughts the way I see them.

The review panels you mention exist to effect one specific function only: punishment against the police. They have no other function or charge. Any equivalency you’re going to attempt to make will be flawed from the start because the police do in fact have numerous roles beyond law enforcement. Regardless of whether you believe those “extra” roles are enough to make police “friendly”, they negate the equivalence you’re attempting to make with a single-role agency.

Haven’t we established long ago that analogy is rarely an effective form of debate logic?

Yeah. I forgot you hate analogies. But I do so here's another one.

If you have a friend that's cool with you sometimes but fucks you up and hurts you other times, are they your friend?

 

[Airborneguy]

Great analogy in that it shows what you believe and why I keep saying this conversation is pointless: all cops are the same person.

 

[71velle]

When he's right, he's right.

Hate to be a wise guy but isnt everyone?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Great analogy in that it shows what you believe and why I keep saying this conversation is pointless: all cops are the same person.

Some foreign occupying UN soldiers are good guys. But as a whole, the occupying soldiers aren't your friends.

Maybe that analogy can work for you a little better?

 

[GunXpatriot]

This goes way against previous polls that I've checked out. I think back after Sandy Hook, PoliceOne (was it?) did a poll where like the overwhelming majority of officers were opposed to an assault weapons ban, for example.

But then you also have to realize that the inherent stress and risk as an officer, may screw with your perception of rights. Like, you might support the rights in principle, but a police mindset would have you readily support things like red flag laws and the like, as it might pertain to safety of the general public, and yourself.

That's my attempt at explaining it anyway.

 

[Airborneguy]

Some foreign occupying UN soldiers are good guys. But as a whole, the occupying soldiers aren't your friends.

Maybe that analogy can work for you a little better?

Again, if you’re making that comparison, why are you so insistent on drilling this at me? You know there’s no chance we’ll ever agree.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Again, if you’re making that comparison, why are you so insistent on drilling this at me? You know there’s no chance we’ll ever agree.

Just in case you ever see and say, "Oh. I now see your angle and how you see it now where previously I didn't."

You have to understand that I don't hate individual cops. I have family that are cops and I was half a cop at one time myself for about 3 years. I know that there are good individuals. I know that there are bad individuals. But as a whole, due to the mission of the profession itself, police aren't the friends of the citizenry. They can't be if their job is to police it. That's my point.

It's sort of like you individually. I would have no problem doing a shot of Jamo with you if I was in your neighborhood. We'd probably have a good time and a lot to talk about. But if I ran into you in a traffic stop for some infraction for example in your neighborhood and we didn't know each other, you wouldn't be my friend now would you.