Thin Blue Line warning - ANTIFA

[enigma]

I assume most of the LEO's have heard of this on Police forums they belong to, but just in case anyone missed it I'm posting it here.

ANTIFA has apparently decided that the Police and their supporters are the same enemy as White Nationalist/Neo-Nazi/Alt-Right groups. LEO's and their family members who display Thin Blue Line symbols may be identified as White Nationalist/Neo-Nazi/Alt-Right groups. You should take the necessary precautions.

If anyone here knows an older retired cop that might not frequent the Internet so much, but might wear/display the Thin Blue Line, Please inform them of the situation.

This is an example of posters found by the Boston Police a week ago.

 

[dubleuhb]

Why are these asswipes relevant? They should be all on a terrorist watch list.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

WTF?! Vanguard America is using the Air force symbol?????? Da Fuq? Man, I hope police stomp these pieces of fascist shit out of existence!

 

[Snappo]

WTF?! Vanguard America is using the Air force symbol?????? Da Fuq? Man, I hope police stomp these pieces of fascist shit out of existence!

Fascist = far right. Communist / Socialist = far left. The USAF symbol is being used by the far left communists.

 

[enigma]

I'm guessing those dopes looked up Vanguard and America on google and ended up with the Air Force's NCO Vanguard Award. Hence the AF symbol.

The 6th flag (the green one) looks to be a Ferengi Alliance (Star Trek) flag.

Kekistan is a fictional country invented by 4chan /pol. There is no organization or movement behind that.

I don't know about all of these symbols, but I think the guys that put this together were really, really high.

The sad part is that other dopes around the country may take violent action against someone innocently displaying one of these symbols.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Fascist = far right. Communist / Socialist = far left. The USAF symbol is being used by the far left communists.

They are more than just Communist/socialists Snappo. In fact, I posit they are far left fascists.

 

[Snappo]

They are more than just Communist/socialists Snappo.

I never even heard the word ANTIFA until a thread here a week or so ago. So I googled it and it was merely shortened from anti-fasicm. But I do know the communists and socialists (Lenin, Marx, Engels) are your far left, and the far right is fascism (Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin). The thing the far left and far right have in common is authoritarianism. By definition you just can't be fascist and be on the far left. You have to be on the far right.

Cops are their own worst enemies. If they screened better I doubt we would have these wholesale executions of innocent and unarmed Americans going on. I have never heard of a group called Thin Blue Line. But the existence of a non-military police force to enforce laws seems to be a fairly Centrist idea. Founding Fathers were Classical Liberalists and I think cops existed back then. I doubt they were as corrupt and deadly as they are now; but I think they have been around since time immemorial. So I am not sure why suddenly the far left and/or the far right wants to go head-to-head with the police; other than being sick and tired of cops killing people for no reason whatsoever other than police corruption and police mental instability.

 

[spat]

I never even heard the word ANTIFA until a thread here a week or so ago. So I googled it and it was merely shortened from anti-fasicm. But I do know the communists and socialists (Lenin, Marx, Engels) are your far left, and the far right is fascism (Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin). The thing the far left and far right have in common is authoritarianism. By definition you just can't be fascist and be on the far left. You have to be on the far right.

Cops are their own worst enemies. If they screened better I doubt we would have these wholesale executions of innocent and unarmed Americans going on. I have never heard of a group called Thin Blue Line. But the existence of a non-military police force to enforce laws seems to be a fairly Centrist idea. Founding Fathers were Classical Liberalists and I think cops existed back then. I doubt they were as corrupt and deadly as they are now; but I think they have been around since time immemorial. So I am not sure why suddenly the far left and/or the far right wants to go head-to-head with the police; other than being sick and tired of cops killing people for no reason whatsoever other than police corruption and police mental instability.

Stalin was a communist, I don't know what political spectrum you are looking at, but describing communists as far right is not on any of the ones I am familiar with.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I never even heard the word ANTIFA until a thread here a week or so ago. So I googled it and it was merely shortened from anti-fasicm. But I do know the communists and socialists (Lenin, Marx, Engels) are your far left, and the far right is fascism (Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin). The thing the far left and far right have in common is authoritarianism. By definition you just can't be fascist and be on the far left. You have to be on the far right.

Cops are their own worst enemies. If they screened better I doubt we would have these wholesale executions of innocent and unarmed Americans going on. I have never heard of a group called Thin Blue Line. But the existence of a non-military police force to enforce laws seems to be a fairly Centrist idea. Founding Fathers were Classical Liberalists and I think cops existed back then. I doubt they were as corrupt and deadly as they are now; but I think they have been around since time immemorial. So I am not sure why suddenly the far left and/or the far right wants to go head-to-head with the police; other than being sick and tired of cops killing people for no reason whatsoever other than police corruption and police mental instability.

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce, that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. I don't know seems like qualities possessed by the Anitfa, with exception to nationalism perhaps. Antifa as it were, is starting to reveal itself to mean anti first amendment.

 

[Snappo]

Stalin was a communist, I don't know what political spectrum you are looking at, but describing communists as far right is not on any of the ones I am familiar with.

Stalin was a fascist. Far right.


Red fascism

Red fascism is a pejorative term used to describe Stalinism as being similar to fascism. Accusations that the leaders of the Soviet Union during the Stalinist period acted as "Red Fascists" were commonly stated by Trotskyists, left communists, social democrats, democratic socialists and anarchists, as well as among right wing circles.

Bruno Rizzi, an Italian Marxist and a founder of the Communist Party of Italy, claimed as early as 1938 that “Stalinism [took on] a regressive course, generating a species of red fascism identical in its superstructural and choreographic features [with its Fascist model]"

During the period while the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was in force, Benito Mussolini positively reviewed Stalinism as having transformed Soviet Bolshevism into a Slavic fascism. Despite ideological differences, Adolf Hitler admired Stalin and his politics and believed that Stalin was in effect transforming Soviet Bolshevism into a form of National Socialism.

1. References
2. Norman Thomas, “Which Way America—Fascism, Communism, Socialism or Democracy?” Town Meeting Bulletin, XIII (March 16, 1948), pp. 19-20
3. Les K. Adler and Thomas G. Paterson “Red Fascism: The Merger of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia in the American Image of Totalitarianism, 1930's–1950's,” The American Historical Review, (April 1, 1970) 75 (4): p. 1046, footnote 4
4. A. James Gregor, The Fascist Persuasion in Radical Politics, Princeton, NJ, Princeton University Press, 1974, p. 193
5. Otto Rühle, “The Struggle Against Fascism Begins with the Struggle Against Bolshevism,” the American Councillist journal Living Marxism, (1939) Vol. 4, No. 8
6. “Editorial: The Russian Betrayal”, The New York Times, Sept. 18, 1939
7. MacGregor Knox. Mussolini Unleashed, 1939-1941: Politics and Strategy in Italy's Last War. Pp. 63-64.
8. François Furet. Passing of an Illusion: The Idea of Communism in the Twentieth Century. Chicago, Illinois, USA; London, England, UK: University of Chicago Press, 1999. ISBN 0226273407. Pp. 191-192.
9. E.g. Dave Renton. Fascism: Theory and Practice. London: Pluto Press, 1999.
10. E.g. Henry Rousso. "Stalinism and Nazism. History and Memory Compared". Historische Zeitschrift. 286:3, 2008. Pp. 795-796.
    Michael Geyer and Sheila Fitzpatrick. Beyond Totalitarianism: Stalinism and Nazism Compared. New York, New York, USA: Cambridge University Press, 2009. Pp. 33-37 and 21.
    

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Stalin was a fascist. Far right.


Red fascism

Red fascism is a pejorative term used to describe Stalinism as being similar to fascism. Accusations that the leaders of the Soviet Union during the Stalinist period acted as "Red Fascists" were commonly stated by Trotskyists, left communists, social democrats, democratic socialists and anarchists, as well as among right wing circles.

Bruno Rizzi, an Italian Marxist and a founder of the Communist Party of Italy, claimed as early as 1938 that “Stalinism [took on] a regressive course, generating a species of red fascism identical in its superstructural and choreographic features [with its Fascist model]"

During the period while the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was in force, Benito Mussolini positively reviewed Stalinism as having transformed Soviet Bolshevism into a Slavic fascism. Despite ideological differences, Adolf Hitler admired Stalin and his politics and believed that Stalin was in effect transforming Soviet Bolshevism into a form of National Socialism.

1. References
2. Norman Thomas, “Which Way America—Fascism, Communism, Socialism or Democracy?” Town Meeting Bulletin, XIII (March 16, 1948), pp. 19-20
3. Les K. Adler and Thomas G. Paterson “Red Fascism: The Merger of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia in the American Image of Totalitarianism, 1930's–1950's,” The American Historical Review, (April 1, 1970) 75 (4): p. 1046, footnote 4
4. A. James Gregor, The Fascist Persuasion in Radical Politics, Princeton, NJ, Princeton University Press, 1974, p. 193
5. Otto Rühle, “The Struggle Against Fascism Begins with the Struggle Against Bolshevism,” the American Councillist journal Living Marxism, (1939) Vol. 4, No. 8
6. “Editorial: The Russian Betrayal”, The New York Times, Sept. 18, 1939
7. MacGregor Knox. Mussolini Unleashed, 1939-1941: Politics and Strategy in Italy's Last War. Pp. 63-64.
8. François Furet. Passing of an Illusion: The Idea of Communism in the Twentieth Century. Chicago, Illinois, USA; London, England, UK: University of Chicago Press, 1999. ISBN 0226273407. Pp. 191-192.
9. E.g. Dave Renton. Fascism: Theory and Practice. London: Pluto Press, 1999.
10. E.g. Henry Rousso. "Stalinism and Nazism. History and Memory Compared". Historische Zeitschrift. 286:3, 2008. Pp. 795-796.
    Michael Geyer and Sheila Fitzpatrick. Beyond Totalitarianism: Stalinism and Nazism Compared. New York, New York, USA: Cambridge University Press, 2009. Pp. 33-37 and 21.

There is a connection and I feel common goal shared between them. Their supposed "platforms" and reasons/ideals they sell to their followers may differ in message, but the ultimate goal is the same.

 

[Snappo]

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce, that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. I don't know seems like qualities possessed by the Anitfa, with exception to nationalism perhaps. Antifa as it were, is starting to reveal itself to mean anti first amendment.

Anti-fascism is being associated with BLM, Occupy Wall Street, New Black Panthers, etc. They are very pro first amendment. Seems they are opening their mouths any time a camera is within 100 yards. As a Semite of Russian and Polish ancestry living in USA and raised Orthodox Jewish, and having lost most of my family to the Russia Pogroms and The Third Reich Final Solution; I am as anti-fascism as a person can possibly be and cannot fathom that we even allow pro Third Reich groups like Stormfront, KKK, and other Neo-Nazi groups to exist in America. It sounds like Trump is making it sound like anyone who isn't a god-squad religious zealot that supports white supremacy must therefore be Antifa. I don't buy any of that. If anyone tells you fascism is a good thing - kill them as soon as you can find a way to get away with it. They are a cancer.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?

Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

President Trump has singled out antifa as part of what he calls the alt-left in his initial claim that "many sides" were to blame for violence in Charlottesville the weekend of Aug. 12, not just the neo-Nazis, KKK and white nationalists.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

 

[Snappo]

There is a connection and I feel common goal shared between them. Their supposed "platforms" and reasons/ideals they sell to their followers may differ in message, but the ultimate goal is the same.

Between Hitler and Stalin? Yeah - they had a connection. Hitler didn't betray his agreement with Stalin because they had different political views. They had the exact same fascist political world view. Hitler had to attack Russia. Hitler's goal was Europe; but even though the other countries rolled over he couldn't get UK to either give up or back down. He felt that if he took over Russia, then UK would have lost their only major ally and would give up trying to protect the rest of Europe. In that context; Hitler only made 2 fuckups. One was that he didn't plan for how cold it was in Russia. He thought it would be over quickly. He also didn't think partnering with Japan would bring USA into the war. He had no idea that Hirohito secretly decided to attack Hawaii so that he could steal oil and further his progress in the war against China. If Hirohito told Hitler that he planned to bring USA into the mix; Hitler would never have partnered with that guy. Hitler didn't even like him. They never met in person.

 

[minderasr]

Although I'm not nor have I ever been a LEO, I do support them. I have a thin blue line sticker on my car window. I also invest with Vanguard. Do I need to watch my back?

 

[NY Leatherneck]

Antifa symbols suck balls. Just for that reason alone...fuck em.

 

[Podmonkey]

What about this symbol?

I'm gonna hang it up in the back of my truck.

 

[Robin]

I the circle of life left and right end at the same place. A distinction without a difference.
Robin

 

[Bushmaster]

I the circle of life left and right end at the same place. A distinction without a difference.
Robin

And as a boater LOL. The closest distance between two points is a straight thin blue line LOL.

 

[Bushmaster]

Between Hitler and Stalin? Yeah - they had a connection. Hitler didn't betray his agreement with Stalin because they had different political views. They had the exact same fascist political world view. Hitler had to attack Russia. Hitler's goal was Europe; but even though the other countries rolled over he couldn't get UK to either give up or back down. He felt that if he took over Russia, then UK would have lost their only major ally and would give up trying to protect the rest of Europe. In that context; Hitler only made 2 fuckups. One was that he didn't plan for how cold it was in Russia. He thought it would be over quickly. He also didn't think partnering with Japan would bring USA into the war. He had no idea that Hirohito secretly decided to attack Hawaii so that he could steal oil and further his progress in the war against China. If Hirohito told Hitler that he planned to bring USA into the mix; Hitler would never have partnered with that guy. Hitler didn't even like him. They never met in person.

Not sure I care for you LOL, but you ARE very close indeed true in post. I know ALOT about WWII, but Hitler made few more mistakes in that time. I give ya credit deserved though!!

 

[Doc8404]

I wore my Infidel shirt tonight to his martial arts class. Got compliments.

 

[Snappo]

Although I'm not nor have I ever been a LEO, I do support them. I have a thin blue line sticker on my car window. I also invest with Vanguard. Do I need to watch my back?

I do think the odds are quite slim unless you live somewhere that cops like to kill innocent unarmed Americans. Places like NYC, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Los Angeles, etc. But out in the rural suburbs or out in the country; I doubt the cops do much beyond eat donuts and give out tickets. They don't do much to incite anger or retribution. But if you drive through Ferguson, Baltimore, NYC, or Minneapolis sporting cop stickers; you might end up being bummed out by unfolding events.

 

[meketrefe]

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kin Jon ill, The Saudis, The Taliban, etc... all different versions of the same thing.
Knowledge, critical thinking and dialog are replaced by ignorance, disinformation and intolerance.
Ignorance fuels the fear that is used to fuel the hate and the violence that polarizes society and from there the rest is history.
humans, we suck.

 

[Airborneguy]

But if you drive through Ferguson, Baltimore, NYC, or Minneapolis sporting cop stickers; you might end up being bummed out by unfolding events.

I've actually been decking out my car, my house and my wardrobe much more with Blue Line accoutrements specifically to incite tranny-loving leftists. Should they take the bait, the outcome will be glorious, newsworthy, and ring through the annuls of history for many years. Maybe I'll even get to be the catalyst that convinces the world it is time to destroy leftism once and for all.

If there's one thing I will never do, it's change my life or allegiances for even one second due to the actions of the worthless scum of the left. I'd prefer to attract them like flies to the slaughter.

 

[Airborneguy]

To the OP, we did get an email from the union regarding being labeled a white supremacist group by the left (or whatever they call all white people this week). The email said to carry extra magazines and be ready to defend yourself at all times. Nothing in there about hiding in the sand. Kill a commie for mommy is how I interpreted it.

 

[Robin]

Apparently the Red White and Blue line is pretty thin too, or maybe its just the big media amplifying the commies out there, Either way, I'm ready.
Robin

 

[spat]

Stalin was a fascist. Far right.


Red fascism

Red fascism is a pejorative term used to describe Stalinism as being similar to fascism. Accusations that the leaders of the Soviet Union during the Stalinist period acted as "Red Fascists" were commonly stated by Trotskyists, left communists, social democrats, democratic socialists and anarchists, as well as among right wing circles.

Bruno Rizzi, an Italian Marxist and a founder of the Communist Party of Italy, claimed as early as 1938 that “Stalinism [took on] a regressive course, generating a species of red fascism identical in its superstructural and choreographic features [with its Fascist model]"

During the period while the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was in force, Benito Mussolini positively reviewed Stalinism as having transformed Soviet Bolshevism into a Slavic fascism. Despite ideological differences, Adolf Hitler admired Stalin and his politics and believed that Stalin was in effect transforming Soviet Bolshevism into a form of National Socialism.

1. References
2. Norman Thomas, “Which Way America—Fascism, Communism, Socialism or Democracy?” Town Meeting Bulletin, XIII (March 16, 1948), pp. 19-20
3. Les K. Adler and Thomas G. Paterson “Red Fascism: The Merger of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia in the American Image of Totalitarianism, 1930's–1950's,” The American Historical Review, (April 1, 1970) 75 (4): p. 1046, footnote 4
4. A. James Gregor, The Fascist Persuasion in Radical Politics, Princeton, NJ, Princeton University Press, 1974, p. 193
5. Otto Rühle, “The Struggle Against Fascism Begins with the Struggle Against Bolshevism,” the American Councillist journal Living Marxism, (1939) Vol. 4, No. 8
6. “Editorial: The Russian Betrayal”, The New York Times, Sept. 18, 1939
7. MacGregor Knox. Mussolini Unleashed, 1939-1941: Politics and Strategy in Italy's Last War. Pp. 63-64.
8. François Furet. Passing of an Illusion: The Idea of Communism in the Twentieth Century. Chicago, Illinois, USA; London, England, UK: University of Chicago Press, 1999. ISBN 0226273407. Pp. 191-192.
9. E.g. Dave Renton. Fascism: Theory and Practice. London: Pluto Press, 1999.
10. E.g. Henry Rousso. "Stalinism and Nazism. History and Memory Compared". Historische Zeitschrift. 286:3, 2008. Pp. 795-796.
    Michael Geyer and Sheila Fitzpatrick. Beyond Totalitarianism: Stalinism and Nazism Compared. New York, New York, USA: Cambridge University Press, 2009. Pp. 33-37 and 21.

I'll buy that Stalin was fascist. I won't buy that he was right wing. The notion that fascism is right wing is very new.

 

[Phazer]

I'll buy that Stalin was fascist. I won't buy that he was right wing. The notion that fascism is right wing is very new.

Totalitarian statism is the issue. Whether the dictators' initial principles arise from the right or the left is irrelevant. The final common pathway is totalitarianism and it is utterly incompatible with American Constitutionalism..

 

[Criticalt]

I'll buy that Stalin was fascist. I won't buy that he was right wing. The notion that fascism is right wing is very new.

Fascism is neither right nor left.
Just because Wiki says fascism is "usually from the far right", does not change the meaning of the word.
Every single word of the recognized definition could be used for groups on the left or right.
When will people start realizing snapper ONLY visits left leaning websites for his info.
Never heard of Antifa?
Never heard of Thin Blue Line?
Seriously?
Who is the uninformed one here?
Read his definition of both groups, left wing fear mongering.

 

[Airborneguy]

Antifa has been around for years. The lefties know it but flippantly claim otherwise. They are simply trying to deny its existence so they can claim moral superiority by falsely claiming the left does not have a (growing) violent faction.

I heard the term starting back in 2011 during Occupy. It goes back waaay further in Europe. Antifa is solidly left and in the US should stand for "Anti-First Amendment" because that's what they are.

We should label them a terrorist organization, round the up, and gas them.

 

[stokes]

You should take the necessary precautions.

And what precautions are you suggesting?Take it down?Not a fuckin chance.Fuck these anal warts,they come near my house they'll find out what kind of facist I can be.